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List: Waiting for Montevina MacBook Pros

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ebarton777 said:
OK, so this may have been hypothesized in the 1.3 trillion replies to this post, but what's the best guess on the cost of the new Montevina platform MBP, and have there been any rumors out there about the HD's getting beefed up?:confused:

I'm guessing $2,999 for a 15.4" MBP Glossy 3.06 GHz / 4Gb / 500 Gb / ...and I have no ide what they'll do with the graphics fiasco. I'd like mine as an Etch-N-Sketch, please... When SL locks up, just shake it!:D
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I have noticed that when apple updates their systems they try to keep new system's price at where the old one's was. So like 1,999 for the low end 15" and so on. Good idea for the etch-a-sketch, haha.
 
oh when????? I would buy now cause i love the design and enough power for me but I ain't buying with the dodgy Nvida GPU's.

They will change them with the new release i presume?
 
sportguy0913 said:
I have noticed that when apple updates their systems they try to keep new system's price at where the old one's was. So like 1,999 for the low end 15" and so on. Good idea for the etch-a-sketch, haha.
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They say it's to offer you more for the same amount of $$$.
 
ebarton777 said:
OK, so this may have been hypothesized in the 1.3 trillion replies to this post, but what's the best guess on the cost of the new Montevina platform MBP, and have there been any rumors out there about the HD's getting beefed up?:confused:

I'm guessing $2,999 for a 15.4" MBP Glossy 3.06 GHz / 4Gb / 500 Gb / ...and I have no ide what they'll do with the graphics fiasco. I'd like mine as an Etch-N-Sketch, please... When SL locks up, just shake it!:D
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You're hoping for too much. What's the top of the line Penryn right now? 2.8? Do you see that in MBPs? Nope. 2.6. HDs? 320gb HDs are still expensive, you would be lucky to see that on your new MBP. I wouldnt be surprised it 250gb becomes the new standard though, although really things won't be upgraded that much. 2.4/2.53/2.66 might be the new processor lineup, or they might bump you up a step to 2.53/2.66/2.8 now that the new max is the 3.06 but methinks they will keep 2.4 simply because of low heat.
 
dmo580 said:
You're hoping for too much. What's the top of the line Penryn right now? 2.8? Do you see that in MBPs? Nope. 2.6.
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D'ooh! That's a really good point, actually. Hadn't thought of that. OK, so high end MBP MAY be a 2.8 GHz Penryn on a Montevina platform; probably with a 250 Gb HD.

So, yeah, for a hack like me, I really don't think I'll notice that much difference between the existing 2.6 GHz Penryn on Santa Rosa vs. the new stuff...and I'm sure it'll be a significant difference in $$$.

I just don't wanna be the idiot that buys a new MBP with X-power for X-$ only to have it drop in price by 30% the next day because of the new model release. I'm sure I'm the first person to EVER have this concern...
 
ebarton777 said:
D'ooh! That's a really good point, actually. Hadn't thought of that. OK, so high end MBP MAY be a 2.8 GHz Penryn on a Montevina platform; probably with a 250 Gb HD.

So, yeah, for a hack like me, I really don't think I'll notice that much difference between the existing 2.6 GHz Penryn on Santa Rosa vs. the new stuff...and I'm sure it'll be a significant difference in $$$.

I just don't wanna be the idiot that buys a new MBP with X-power for X-$ only to have it drop in price by 30% the next day because of the new model release. I'm sure I'm the first person to EVER have this concern...
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I hope that they at least update the GPU to a 9600m GT along with Montevina. I'd like something better than the 9600m GT, but I doubt it will be anything worse. I'd be surprised if they stayed with the 8600 again, especially with the defective ones. This will also increase performance.. and is one of the main reasons I'm holding off. ;)
 
ebarton777 said:
D'ooh! That's a really good point, actually. Hadn't thought of that. OK, so high end MBP MAY be a 2.8 GHz Penryn on a Montevina platform; probably with a 250 Gb HD.
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These are the new Penryns used by Montevina:

* Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 (2.26GHz): $209
* Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz): $241
* Intel Core 2 Duo P9500 (2.53GHz): $348
* Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz): $316
* Intel Core 2 Duo T9600 (2.8GHz): $530
* Intel Core 2 Extreme X9100 (3.06GHz): $851

The P-series is powered optimized. I would think those would be used in new MBAs. I doubt we would see the Extreme in any Mac laptop - too expensive.
 
Eric S. said:
These are the new Penryns used by Montevina:

* Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 (2.26GHz): $209
* Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz): $241
* Intel Core 2 Duo P9500 (2.53GHz): $348
* Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz): $316
* Intel Core 2 Duo T9600 (2.8GHz): $530
* Intel Core 2 Extreme X9100 (3.06GHz): $851

The P-series is powered optimized. I would think those would be used in new MBPs. I doubt we would see the Extreme in any Mac laptop - too expensive.
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Now that's interesting, I hadn't seen those breakdowns listed out like that. Agreed: Little to no chance that an Extreme chip will make it into a laptop.

I guess I'm sort of surprised that there's not a more remarkable uptick in the speeds. With all the buzz about the new platform, I really was expecting to see a substantial upswing in the new chip speeds.

So, it sounds like the biggest area for improvement on the new MBP's will indeed be with respect to the graphics kluge in the existing models...
 
Eric. said:
Just thought I'd post and show ASUS's offering that is currently in stock at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220340

2.26Ghz P8400, 4GB RAM, 320GB HDD, 9600M GS 1GB.
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Holy cats! That's a smokin' box! Except that it's made by ASUS which, technically speaking, gives me the willies. still, it's about $1,000 less than the MBP. Oh, wait, that's right, the ASUS runs on Vista. If they could manage it with XP then maybe... I know, I know, comparing Apples to lemons & all that...

BUT, here's the good news about the ASUS machine: it shows that the new chips are available from manufacturers through e-tailers, so hopefully the MBP's won't be TOO far behind. Appendages crossed...
 
Eric. said:
Again, the video card is only 128-bit so 768MB of that memory is pretty much wasted...
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Lol? That doesn't make any sense. First off, they don't make 128-bit GPUs anymore. I guess you mean the memory architecture is 128-bit.... so what? Not many mobile graphics cards have 256-bit memory interface. The size of the frame buffer has to do with the amount of information filling it, not with speed.

If you don't have to dip into system memory instead of fast VRAM, you're not going to get the tremendous performance hit (crippling, really) that comes along with it.

So it's not "wasted," although it is overkill, since you'd need an external monitor with a res of 2560x1600 with full FSAA/AF to take advantage of all that VRAM.

I'd thought the new Penryns were a notch above the old ones.... by 133 or 266 MHz. Guess not? That sucks. All we get then is faster FSB and memory, which will have zero performance impact. *sigh*

Hm. I hope they at least upgrade the graphics card. A faster card from ATI would be really nice, for a lot of reasons.... the 4x00 series is pretty energy efficient, so a scaled-down mobile version would be pretty good for that.. and image quality has pretty much always been better hands down ATI.

And I just plain don't like nVidia.
 
Bubba Satori said:
So the OSX tax is up to $1K ? Cool. :rolleyes:
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But your forgetting that with a thinner computer comes more costly components. Everyone compares MBP specs to other PC laptop specs, but how can you compare a notebook to a brick!

Plus OSX will actually use its specs to the fullest.
 
Say what you want, the pricing of the current MBPs are horrible for what they offer. OSX and form factor doesn't justify it either. It's in desperate need for a refresh. :)
 
TimeWaster101 said:
But your forgetting that with a thinner computer comes more costly components. Everyone compares MBP specs to other PC laptop specs, but how can you compare a notebook to a brick!

Plus OSX will actually use its specs to the fullest.
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Ram doesn't cost more in a thinner computer, nor does the cpu or harddrive, airport cards and bluetooth cards are already thin and small, gpu is fairly standard also. So mostly apple charging a premium for the thin design.

I can guarentee you RAM CPU and HDD don't cost more in a thin notebook and that is a lot of the cost.

Also the LG P300 is cheaper than MBA, very thin like MBA and has a 8600GS graphics card, so yes there is a large OSX tax

But for a 2-3k PC 8600gt is kinda slacking off, I can get a very high end thinkpad T61p with 570m (same GFX different name) for 1200, and throw in 320gb, 4gb 2.6ghz and WUXGA screen for less than base MBP with similar weight and thickness. Apple has a wonderful heatsink of a chassis they should put a slightly better card in it and reap the benefits, while it isnt a gaming notebook it is a professional notebook and with its price it should perform a little higher than it does.
 
ManWithhat said:
Say what you want, the pricing of the current MBPs are horrible for what they offer. OSX and form factor doesn't justify it either. It's in desperate need for a refresh. :)
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Ya, especially since the BestBuy computer brands come with 4 gb ram standard, etc, for $700...
 
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