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List: Waiting for Montevina MacBook Pros

rekhyt said:
No the keyboard looks disastrous. That's all.
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Oh, well. If in the name of uniformity Apple went that route, I guess they would look something like that. I'd rather they at the very least, didn't go with black keys, myself. Having used an MBP recently I subscribe to "if it ain't broke..." but who knows.
 
iMacmatician said:
GT200.

Biggest NVIDIA screwup since the 5800.
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The chips that this article is talking about are actually the GT200 successors.

The inquirer is a horrible website with no credibility, but I'll meet if halfway: the 200 series is not a huge improvement over the 9 series by anyone's measure. Now that ATI is back in the game, I would expect some real performance coming out. Adding GDDR5 alone would be fantastic, since thats the big difference between the 4850 and the 4870. The clock speed difference between them is not large enough by itself to post such a large gap.

To reiterate however I am not a fan of the 200 series. They haven't had a MUST HAVE product since the 8 series, which was more than a year ago at this point.
 
nope

the socket for the nehalem is different (even though still 45nm) so no dice. Gotta buy a whole new machine probably in late 09 for notebooks.
 
dollar398 said:
the socket for the nehalem is different (even though still 45nm) so no dice. Gotta buy a whole new machine probably in late 09 for notebooks.
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Interesting...Any word whether the MBP will have ddr3, since Montevina seems to support both 2 and 3...sounded a bit confusing.
 
OrleansMac said:
Wow, that article got me excited
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Yeah, I am pretty excited about that article too. How long does it usually take Mac to develop a Macbook pro after a technology is released?

BTW, a friend told me that one of the upcoming macbook pro-s will have a sensor display. Does anyone know anything about this?
 
Am I missing something here as to why every macbook pro user wants DDR3 RAM?

Or is the general mac user just not educated about hardware?

DDR3 as main system memory (I AM NOT SAYING THIS ABOUT GRAPHICS MEMORY, DDR3 *IS* GOOD FOR THAT)
is a huge waste of money, and is not something you should want.

There are two main reasons DDR3 system memory is bad. One is the price, which I will split into two parts.

1. You need a motherboard which supports DDR3, which are exponentially higher than a DDR2 motherboard
3. The cost of DDR3 RAM is insane.

Your top selling nvidia chipset motherboard, mid-range, with SLI (among other features) and DDR2 ram is 149.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131232)

Now, a comparable SLI motherboard, from the same manufacturer, using the same nvidia SLI chipset, using DDR3 is...
374.99
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131293)

Now sure, you can find DDR3 motherboards for cheaper, but they seriously skimp on the other features. Basically, the low end DDR3 boards cost the same as the high end DDR2 boards.

374.99 was on the cheaper side of what I could find for a GOOD DDR3 board (with support for SLI, etc, etc.

Now the price of DDR3 RAM itself.... since I can't find any DDR3 laptop memory, I will use desktop just to illustrate how bad you are being ripped off.

4GB of DDR2 800 ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227280) 87.99

4GB of DDR3 from the SAME manufacturer: 199.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227288)

Now imagine that with Apple ram pricing!


Now you're probably wondering, so what if it is more expensive if there is a performance increase? Well here is the problem.

DDR3 has an 8 bit prefetch buffer. DDR2 has 4 bit. So the bandwith is twice as good, technically.

But the latency of DDR3 is much worse than DDR2. Standard DDR2 (of course, I can get better than standard, which I have in my macbook)
is 5-5-5-15

DDR3 is 7-7-7-15

Due to the increased cas latency, you don't actually get twice as much performance as the increased bandwith would lead you to believe.

In short: DDR3 is a waste of money, for not a large, if any, performance gain.
 
Crovax said:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/09/nvidia-g84-g86-bad
I mean this article. I understand that it is not official but after reading all this numerous problems with macbook pros' (and other laptops') displays this article seems like the last piece of puzzle. :) May be I am too paranoiac but after it I decided to wait for the new mac book pro release. :)
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iMacmatician said:
It looks like the problems are with the 8700M GT and below, and that the 9000 series are exempt from this problems.
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Crovax said:
Yes, I do believe that NVIDIA can't create two epic fails in the row :D
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Stang68 said:
Wrong. They wont take it down, it will just be changed to show the newer MBP. Only the store site changes from "new" to regular. The MBP site only changes when a new MBP is out.
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Oh... Lol.
 
Eric S. said:
Nope, it's a different architecture. For one thing the processor interconnect is point-to-point rather than a bus, which is one way Nehalem achieves better performance.
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As far as I know, mobile Nehalem CPUs don't use QuickPath.

zorahk said:
Am I missing something here as to why every macbook pro user wants DDR3 RAM?
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To deliver a performance advantage over DDR2, DDR3 needs to be clocked higher. Also, DDR3 is less power consuming than DDR2, which is good for laptops.
 
I think it would be ridiculous if Apple waited longer than 2 more weeks to integrate the new chipsets. Their website claims the pro has the "latest Intel processor". If Apple wants to keep up with the times they need to jump on with the newest technology. If we are going to pay the premium price we better get the premium equipment. Apple makes good stuff but they lag behind the market way too much. HP already started using the centrino 2 for gods sake.
 
Why? Because Apple's laptops are price locked. They won't increase the price if they put DDR3 RAM in. Markup? If it's that bad, don't upgrade your RAM and throw in DDR2; the Montevina chipset is backwards compatible. You know it's going to come down in price like every other new technology ever introduced to the market anyways.
 
Apple should just release the new mbp now in the midst of the iphone craze. Thousands of ppl are queuing up everyday to get their iphones. They can up sell the mbp. Now is the only time where u see the apple stores packed.:apple:
 
TheFinale said:
Apple should just release the new mbp now in the midst of the iphone craze. Thousands of ppl are queuing up everyday to get their iphones. They can up sell the mbp. Now is the only time where u see the apple stores packed.:apple:
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People aren't going to spontaneously make two big purchases at the same time, even if they see new MBPs at the store when buying the iPhone.
 
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