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List: Waiting for Montevina MacBook Pros

I am 99% sure that it will happen in august. There is just no reason for Apple to delay it more. So, the only question is what tuesday (or day) will it be in august. I would like it next week but I wouldn't mind be it on 12th. :)

So, lets wait and see. If I could wait 6 months for Mac Pro then this is a piece of cake. :)))
 
CrossedBearings said:
Nope - wrong. Think about the risk. Why would Apple go with a release that is a major change on two fronts: CPU and design in one big bang. No way - too much risk.

Better to manage risk by going for a big design change on a stable chipset. Only one thing to manage risk with.

Think back to when Apple switched to Intel. They kept the case the same - the same venerable ancient one we are still bearing with now. Why - to manage the risk.

So the case refresh will be the flip side - keep the CPU of the same basic 45nm architecture but astonish us with the beauty of a new case design and the permanent banishment of that last decade looking keyboard .

Its not so much the keys I don't like its that huge yawning hard edged chasm at the bottom. Just the think to loose anything down it.
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Right now, there's no incentive for Apple to introduce a design change for the Montevina update.

I guess everyone on this forum will agree that for a company like Intel that's been at the forefront of microprocessor technology for the last 5 decades, we all know Nehalem is a breakthrough, and not a risk.

Also, Apple has been aggressively implementing every new Intel chip since their transition. What does this tell you?
 
Tallest Skil said:
Because it will. Plain and simple.
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Well said ...

I'm really tired of reading half the posts here that berate other people's comments w/o adequate research or study.

I don't see why anyone who is interested in Macs in general would NOT be interested in how Nehalem is gonna change the scenario for both PCs and Macs.

I can't even begin to imagine Nehalem + Snow Leopard.

All this is because Intel and Apple are collaborating more than us consumers will ever know. I think there's a perfectly good reason why they're putting a break on the features and focusing on parallelism and multi-threading in Snow Leopard ....

That's because Nehalem is gonna kick ass!

:apple:
 
Tallest Skil said:
They made the iMac thinner and the MacBook Pro/PowerBook thinner.

Not that drastic.
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The iMac reused the late 2005 "Media Center" case. Out of all the Macs that went through Intel, only the iBook/MacBook received any significant design change. So a (micro)architecture shift does not automatically mean a new case design.

The iMacs were redesigned last year with the transition to Santa Rosa, not Intel or Nehalem. So a case design does not need a microarchitecture shift to happen at the same time either.

sammy2066 said:
Right now, there's no incentive for Apple to introduce a design change for the Montevina update.
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iMacmatician said:
The iMac reused the late 2005 "Media Center" case. Out of all the Macs that went through Intel, only the iBook/MacBook received any significant design change. So a (micro)architecture shift does not automatically mean a new case design.

The iMacs were redesigned last year with the transition to Santa Rosa, not Intel or Nehalem. So a case design does not need a microarchitecture shift to happen at the same time either.

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That's a good point about the iMacs. Also, Montevina might look good on paper, but I don't think it translates much in to any real world performance or battery life increases.
 
CrossedBearings said:
Nope - wrong. Think about the risk. Why would Apple go with a release that is a major change on two fronts: CPU and design in one big bang. No way - too much risk.

Better to manage risk by going for a big design change on a stable chipset. Only one thing to manage risk with.

Think back to when Apple switched to Intel. They kept the case the same - the same venerable ancient one we are still bearing with now. Why - to manage the risk.

So the case refresh will be the flip side - keep the CPU of the same basic 45nm architecture but astonish us with the beauty of a new case design and the permanent banishment of that last decade looking keyboard .

Its not so much the keys I don't like its that huge yawning hard edged chasm at the bottom. Just the think to loose anything down it.
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You're almost there, but I don't think it's about hedging at all. It's more about product discrimination. Think about it, if people do their research, the few percentages in performance gains might not be enough incentive to buy...so how about, a bit of a gain and a new design? More worthwhile, no?

I hope it happens tomorrow...I know I'm holding out til August 17 and buying either a new MBP or some PC, but I feel insecure without having made a decision on what to buy lol...bad bad feeling. Come on Steve about time you be a man and stop being so secretive.
 
sammy2066 said:
That's a good point about the iMacs. Also, Montevina might look good on paper, but I don't think it translates much in to any real world performance or battery life increases.
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Neither did Santa Rosa. And if Apple was to "trim" the sides of the laptops (as rumored), the smaller chipset size of Montevina would help. And for the MacBooks at least, the 25 W CPUs of Montevina would improve battery life.

I'd like nothing less than a really big update with Nehalem. Snow Leopard (with Resolution Independence), higher-res displays, redesign, quad-core, big performance increase, DDR3 RAM (prices will drop by then), … but things most likely won't turn out that way.
 
iMacmatician said:
I'd like nothing less than a really big update with Nehalem. Snow Leopard (with Resolution Independence), higher-res displays, redesign, quad-core, big performance increase, DDR3 RAM (prices will drop by then), … but things most likely won't turn out that way.
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Yeah, I like the way that sounds.

But if they trim the edges of the MBP, they would need to compromise on the ports. They cannot afford to take out any ports on the MBP, or have slower HDDs, or remove the Optical Drive.

They also cannot afford to shaft people by offering some unrealistic combination of slow 4200rpm drives and very expensive SSD options like on the MBA.
 
sammy2066 said:
I guess everyone on this forum will agree that for a company like Intel that's been at the forefront of microprocessor technology for the last 5 decades, we all know Nehalem is a breakthrough, and not a risk.
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"5 decades" is a bit of an exaggeration, given that the microprocessor is less than 40 years old. Intel made its first processor in the early '70s but memory chips drove its business until the '80s. Even in the '80s Intel's processor design lagged behind others such as IBM, Zilog, National Semi, and Motorola. Intel owes its dominant market position to the ubiquitous presence of Microsoft-based PCs, an unfortunate alliance that foisted both second-rate Microsoft OS software and hamstrung x86 CPU design on us. Had IBM stuck with their decision to use a more powerful in-house CPU for the original IBM PC, the history of computers would have been very different. (And had Gary Kildall been smart enough to make a better deal with IBM, we could have been spared the entire Microsoft OS disaster.)
 
Fourty05 said:
Since I just got my macbook I'm gonna wait for the Nehalem MBP's. By then their cases will probably have been revised aswell.
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Those waiting for a Nehalem case redesign are lucky. The case will be redesigned by then no matter what!* :D

* Well, I'm pretty sure on this.
 
sammy2066 said:
Well said ...

All this is because Intel and Apple are collaborating more than us consumers will ever know. I think there's a perfectly good reason why they're putting a break on the features and focusing on parallelism and multi-threading in Snow Leopard ....

That's because Nehalem is gonna kick ass!

:apple:
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more like cause its gonna make higher profits!!

no doubt tho, future processors are wicked!
 
something special under the hood

Absolute confusion:

"As such, people familiar with these plans say an upcoming generation of Macs, lead by a trio of redesigned notebooks, won't adopt the Montevina chipset announced as part of Intel's Centrino 2 mobile platform earlier this month. What's more, those same people suggest the chipset employed by the new wave of Macs may have little or nothing to do with Intel at all."

No Montevina; should we close this topic??

And the time schedule:

"Since Apple's new Mac notebooks aren't necessarily following the same rollout schedule as competitive offerings based purely on standard Centrino 2 components, people familiar with the next-generation systems say it will be at least another 6 to 8 weeks before the company makes an official announcement."

Read this if you haven't yet:
"Apple's next-gen Macs to have something special under the hood"
 
Crovax said:
So no "tomorrow" and no "next tuesday"? :(
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looks like that way :(

If it doesn't come out by the 5th, I will seriously be considering the Sony Vaio Z series, or the new Thinkpad T400...I don't want to go back to windows, but I don't want a new computer with parts that are over a year old...
 
dkostas said:
Absolute confusion:

"Since Apple's new Mac notebooks aren't necessarily following the same rollout schedule as competitive offerings based purely on standard Centrino 2 components, people familiar with the next-generation systems say it will be at least another 6 to 8 weeks before the company makes an official announcement."
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OK, if this is correct, then I am strenuously vexed for multiple reasons:
1) I like most other people on this thread have waited anxiously for the announcement of the new MBP with funds burning a smoldering crater in my pocket. Suddenly Sony Vaio is looking appealing...

2) I have wasted more friggin' time on this thread for some shred of evidence about MAYBE good news coming out on 7/29 or 8/5 at the latest. Now it's looking like September!? Donkey feces!

Perhaps a cheap little Vaio or Dell XPS for now until the full Nehalem launch is fully in production...A FRIGGIN' YEAR FROM NOW.

Cavemen had no such worries; they just dragged chicks around by the hair...
 
dkostas said:
No Montevina; should we close this topic??
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No, we can just talk about the laptops that will succeed the current MacBooks and MacBook Pros instead. :D:)

Anyway, I think that the extra wait, hard as it is, will be worth it. Mid september to october. I'm waiting.
 
I'm afraid i've waited so long for Montevina that i've build up this hate for the current model and I don't want it. I just have to suck it up and stay positive.
 
No MBP this August.

"Although Intel has shipped Centrino 2 chips to laptop makers, it will be several months before consumers can get their hands on one. The deadline for this year's back-to-school laptops will be missed and the first wave of these new laptops, whose chip software is still being fine tuned, will not be able to compete in the price-conscious consumer market."
 
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