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Mac OS X Lion: 'Classic' Mail View Available, New Finder on Video

macduke said:
I can't help but feel like some of these UI elements don't fit together completely. Like the scroll bars, or the old dock style with the iOS style icon views above it (from other screen shots online), etc.
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While I haven't seen much about Lion so far, I have to think the new UI is an adaption of Apple's touch interface with the older mouse-pointer interface set to make it equally possible to use your finger or your mouse in any application. Microsoft proponents like to claim that this ability has been in Windows for almost a decade and they may be correct, but if this is set up the way I think, Apple will achieve what Microsoft failed to by getting developers to support the changes up front and building desktop apps that take full advantage of the available touch interface.

I feel like Apple is holding back on the UI. They will probably do something with that old style aluminum interface. Shouldn't we be seeing Marble now that it slipped from Snow Leopard? Or was that scrapped?
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We've seen Apple change the interface appearance multiple times, but for some reason the aluminum look seems to remain the most popular, going all the way back to even their earliest GUI when they were stuck with two-bit graphics for their backgrounds and 16-bit greyscale for their images. Just as the grills of the many auto brands announce that brand to the world, the aluminum interface seems to serve a similar purpose for Apple, especially since aluminum is their body material of choice for so many products.

These quirks could easily feel integrated with a shift in the overall UI design. I also feel like there will be a UI change in iOS 5.0 that they will show next week. Certain things will remain the same, but the baby blues, etc will probably change. Something that really pops like crazy on the retina displays, and that perhaps could help unify the iPhone, iPad, and Mac just a little bit more. They won't be the same, but feel more cohesive.
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We won't know until Apple announces/releases it. I'm not so sure there will be that many graphical changes in iOS 5 or whatever they call it, but we can certainly see that iOS is influencing the design of the desktop OS X. I'm also beginning to wonder how much longer we will be seeing Intel processors in Apple's computers considering the company now has the means to design their own and may be building the means to manufacture them as well.
 
The Phazer said:
Invisible scrollbars is one of the dumbest UX decisions I think I've ever seen.

Why they felt the need to take something that doesn't work very well in iOS (scrolling round long documents is torturous in iOS) and transplant it to Lion is beyond me. It'll be getting turned off within seconds, but leaving it on as a default just makes the OS harder to use for new users.

Phazer
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Relax. It doesn't work exactly the same as iOS. When you hover over the bar there's a lighter grey area where you can click to "go to here" in the document. Scrolling large documents works just as before.
 
cmaier said:
This is now in Lion (it asks you if you would like to merge or replace).
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Absolutely amazing. I'm really excited about this new OS. Thanks for sharing that.

I think the best and probably the most underrated feature thus far has been the fact that OS X Server is included!
 
ccsicecoke said:
This build is a memory hog which easily eats up 3GB RAM. I'm lucky to have a 4GB RAM in MBA
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OUCH!!! I guess the new Finder, App Store, Full Screen, and other features is a BIG overhaul. Now we know the reason why Snow Leopard was meant to run LEAN: it was to prepare for major changes under the OSX Kernel.

I'm guessing I'll upgrade but I feel even the AL_uMB will barely survive major updates within this release. I'm VERY curious how Snow Leopard only workstations will be supported on networks with Lion Mac's and Mac OS X Lion Server as the host.

Are are app developers liking the change to their code? Any difficulties?
 
mabaker said:
The above screen shot of Windows context menu hurts my eyes. It should be forbidden to post these things here. :eek:
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Maybe because I've customized Microsoft Clear-Type to how I want it ;) I wear glasses normally, but got fed up with wearing them at the computer, so I adjusted ClearType in the Control Panel.

But hey, the font on the Mac right-click Menu looks too fuzzy to me, like someone messed up the resolution. To each their own.
 
Bodypainter said:
this is a wonderful example of how extremely manipulative apple is. notice that on windows it has always been possible to resize windows on every corner? an notice, that most windows on windows can be fullsize?

well, i still remember very clearly how bad this is, it confuses the user... no one needs fullscreen... windows is bad, because the apple concept of only resizing on the bottom right corner is more logical bla bla bla.

and what is the new INNOVATION now???
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How it's done can be as important as the ability to do it; I might agree with you if Lion's version is a 'copy' of Microsoft's, but personally I think you'll find there some difference which makes it more reliable and less 'accidental' in nature. I've often been annoyed by the fact that I would try to move a window in Windows, only to move the one side instead. Microsoft has never addressed this problem and relied on calling this a 'feature' superior to Apple's one-corner resizing. With luck, Apple will again demonstrate how something should have been done in the first place, while avoiding patent issues now that Microsoft's own patent on the 'feature' has expired.
 
Stiksi said:
How can this happen when windows only deletes the file after the transfer has gone through? And if this is a problem, is it really that difficult to write an exception to the action so that in case of the network connection is broken, the action is aborted.

What I'm saying is, do you think Apple engineers are incapable of producing a simple Cut-Paste action with safeguards? Or could it be possible that it's just become a religious issue – a Mac Way Of Doing Things that shall not be changed?
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Or is it simply because most users don't care, and it's not some nefarious plot to deny you a tool that few people use. I've never had to use it, copy-paste works fine. But maybe I organize my files so I don't have to keep moving them.
 
Benjy91 said:
Maybe because I've customized Microsoft Clear-Type to how I want it ;) I wear glasses normally, but got fed up with wearing them at the computer, so I adjusted ClearType in the Control Panel.

But hey, the font on the Mac right-click Menu looks too fuzzy to me, like someone messed up the resolution. To each their own.
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I think the fuzziness comes from the display per se. I have a PowerBook and its display is crispier than my HP w2207 monitor ergo Mac OS looks much better on the PB. Weirdly enough Windows looks better on the HP monitor. Highly subjective tho like you said!
 
nelmat said:
What a pointless rant. U comment on any corner resize as being copied from windows! Is that all u can come up with?! How is the quick look function in windoze? Oh yes, there isn't one. How about cover flow, expose, spotlight, built in cloud computing, easy networking, app store, FaceTime, time machine, not having to deal with constant pop ups from the os, the bundled iLife suite, the complete lack of viruses ( shall I go on? )

Manipulative? How about having to buy and subscribe to services just to be able to protect the os from viruses, or an operating system that costs five times more to upgrade?
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That pointless rant you "ranted" about is spot on and is a classic example of how Apple manipulates folks into believing they are the ones who make things that are innovative. Resizing is ancient, c'mon! The poster wasn't talking about the other wonderful things you mentioned that Apple does well he was talking about one specific thing which Apple formerly claimed was pointless.
 
There will probably be a Finder preference for color or b/w icons, as in the latest iTunes.
 
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I don't like the new look of the toolbar at the top that allows you to change from list view, to icon view, to cover flow etc. They used it in the newer version of iCal as well. Not a fan. I like the ones where the one you're on is the depressed-looking one.

But EVERYTHING else i'm loving about Lion! from the grayscale sidebar to FINALLY being able to resize the windows easier, to all the new features! Makes the choice between an iPad an a MacBook Air much less stressful as you get the great look and intuitive feel of the iPad now on the more powerful mac notebooks!!
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nelmat said:
What a pointless rant. U comment on any corner resize as being copied from windows! Is that all u can come up with?! How is the quick look function in windoze? Oh yes, there isn't one. How about cover flow, expose, spotlight, built in cloud computing, easy networking, app store, FaceTime, time machine, not having to deal with constant pop ups from the os, the bundled iLife suite, the complete lack of viruses ( shall I go on? )

Manipulative? How about having to buy and subscribe to services just to be able to protect the os from viruses, or an operating system that costs five times more to upgrade?
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Come on man, this is so ignorant. Windows has had a lot of these things for awhile. Go look it up. Expose is only necessary because the dock is so horrible as a task switcher, and Cover Flow is also totally useless. The rest is generally covered.

OSX is fine, but at least deal with facts and not fanboy goofiness. Windows is extremely capable and quite an amazing OS.
 
All the icons being grey is ridiculous. What is the concept behind that? All it does is make navigation immensely more difficult.
 
bdkennedy1 said:
So Apple took 4 corner resizing from Windows. Probably because customers have been asking for it for years. You want to know what I haven't had to screw with in Mac OS X? Viruses, DLL's, Registry and my mom and brother calling me every 3 months asking me to come over and fix their computer.
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Yeah I use both OSX and Windows and haven't had to deal with that in either as well. :p

You DO KNOW that registry and dll problems are about a decade out of date right?
 
Prom1 said:
OUCH!!! I guess the new Finder, App Store, Full Screen, and other features is a BIG overhaul. Now we know the reason why Snow Leopard was meant to run LEAN: it was to prepare for major changes under the OSX Kernel.

I'm guessing I'll upgrade but I feel even the AL_uMB will barely survive major updates within this release. I'm VERY curious how Snow Leopard only workstations will be supported on networks with Lion Mac's and Mac OS X Lion Server as the host.

Are are app developers liking the change to their code? Any difficulties?
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I think it has more to do with the fact that this is still a very early pre-release.
 
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