Mac OS X Lion: 'Classic' Mail View Available, New Finder on Video

[gavin83209]

could someone explain me what this means?

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That is an iPhone Safari mobile user agent string. iPhones can be configured to add this string whenever somebody posts, although I don't know why anybody would want it displayed. From left to right, it basically says: "this web browser is compatible with Mozilla 5.0, runs on an iPhone with strong security using iOS 4.2.1, which is based on Mac OS X using American English. I use the Apple WebKit rendering engine, version 533.17.9 based on KHTML, an open source HTML layout engine similar to Gecko. This is version 5.0.2 running on iPhone firmware version 8C148. The build number of this browser is 6533.18.5."

If you want to analyse other user agents, you can go here.

 

[rockosmodurnlif]

Wait. So buttons that are pressed are now in their normal color, and unpressed buttons are darker? Where's the logic in that? Really confusing.

I mean, look at the picture below. Optically it seems like the icons, list and cover flow buttons are pressed down (thus selected), and the column view button is up.

It acts more like a scrollbar now rather than a pressed button. I think the video showed it sliding around.

It does but it's still counter intuitive I think. Something that's active should be depressed.

 

[Blakeco123]

Copy != cut

ohhhh sorry, i always assumed they were the same thing (copying and cutting)

 

[cmaier]

ohhhh sorry, i always assumed they were the same thing (copying and cutting)

Nope. Cut and paste results in one instance of the file. Copy and paste results in two.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

I hope the upgrade is just $30

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

BTW, 99% of apple users will hate any new look to OSX. Remember how up in arms people were about the stupid iTunes icon haha.

 

[McGiord]

the video is no longer available!


Mods, please put the right link?

 

[Thrilledge]

Can someone reupload the vid. This one was nuked. Thanks

 

[Dr McKay]

I'm sorry but I have been able to cut and paste files for a long time now?

Cut something is sort of how the name implies.

You are 'Cutting' the file out of the folder it used to be in, and then pasting it onto the new area.

Copying is merely making a duplicate, leaving the original in its old place.

 

[Thrilledge]

BTW, 99% of apple users will hate any new look to OSX. Remember how up in arms people were about the stupid iTunes icon haha.

People still whine about the new ITunes Icon. lol

 

[karsten]

front row missing: http://www.9to5mac.com/53989/front-row-is-missing-from-10-7-lion?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+9To5Mac-MacAllDay+%289+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence%29

also i hate the all my files thing. it's like windows vista when they added all that crap on the sidebar. more!=better imo

 

[pluto24]

I'm still waiting for automatic column width resizing in column view. Up to Lion, and that's still a pain in the arse.

Maybe you find this useful:

http://movies.apple.com/datapub/us/podcasts/quicktips/quicktips-expand_column_width.m4v
("Viewing Long Filenames", Apple Quick Tips)

Let me know if that helped.

 

[bdkennedy1]

So Apple took 4 corner resizing from Windows. Probably because customers have been asking for it for years. You want to know what I haven't had to screw with in Mac OS X? Viruses, DLL's, Registry and my mom and brother calling me every 3 months asking me to come over and fix their computer.

this is a wonderful example of how extremely manipulative apple is. notice that on windows it has always been possible to resize windows on every corner? an notice, that most windows on windows can be fullsize?

well, i still remember very clearly how bad this is, it confuses the user... no one needs fullscreen... windows is bad, because the apple concept of only resizing on the bottom right corner is more logical bla bla bla.

and what is the new INNOVATION now???

 

[bretm]

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How is the quick look function in windoze? Oh yes, there isn't one. How about cover flow, expose, spotlight, built in cloud computing, easy networking, app store, FaceTime, time machine, not having to deal with constant pop ups from the os, the bundled iLife suite, the complete lack of viruses ( shall I go on? )

Manipulative? How about having to buy and subscribe to services just to be able to protect the os from viruses, or an operating system that costs five times more to upgrade?

so it is not manipulative that for 15 years the resizing on every corner is bad (because it is from windows) and all of a sudden they impement it and - hey - it's a brand new feature!

the quick look may not be as fast on windows, but at least it can do something the mac can not do: you can double click a photo, fullscreen it (WITHOUT BORDER - iphoto can't do that) and watch the NEXT photo by pressing the cursor key. you can even delete a photo in fullscreen.

quickview is nice in theory, but not good if you want to show people photos in a row. you are forced to put it into iphoto.

btw: facetime is a great feature in osx? sorry, but who needs it? skype does the job way better - across all plattforms. btw: i use pc AND mac. but unfortunately there is a lot i miss on mac os, so i don't see any point in switching completely. both systems have advantages.

I don't think you know how to use quickview. It works just the way you wish.

And skype is nice. Why don't you try to skype someone on their cell. They havve to have skype up and running. FaceTime them and it's like dialing a phone.

 

[Dr McKay]

So Apple took 4 corner resizing from Windows. Probably because customers have been asking for it for years. You want to know what I haven't had to screw with in Mac OS X? Viruses, DLL's, Registry and my mom and brother calling me every 3 months asking me to come over and fix their computer.

Havent had a virus since 1998, and only then because I was a stupid 7 year old, messing around with things I didn't understand. Id prefer a centralized and organized registry where I know where the things I need are, compared to a million .ini files scattered the length and breadth of my hard-drive.

And the only people who call me about computers are the completely computer illiterate, who have 19 tool bars on IE, and 400 icons across their desktop, and will click any fake box that tells them too, or any box asking for their password.

One of those people bought a Mac because she thought it looked nice, and she still calls me up asking how to use it...

Admittedly that guy chose a petty argument about 'stealing' the 4 corners from Windows.

 

[fswmacguy]

Damn some day mac os x will be monochromatic. Looks like Steve hates colors

The only thing I like so far are the smaller bars and quick view.
FTFF.
Anyhow the theme looks dull.

Oh and the DS_Store crap.

Limited color palettes are the key to good design. A colorful UI makes content look superfluous. Apple's website, for example, is very monochrome-ish, but the images on the website are very rich in color and pop in the eye of the viewer. The monochrome-ish nature of Mac OS X is a brilliant design choice.

But I agree with you on the DS_Store garbage. It appears on any non-Mac system and is quite frankly a lame way of saving certain preferences.

 

[The Phazer]

Invisible scrollbars is one of the dumbest UX decisions I think I've ever seen.

Why they felt the need to take something that doesn't work very well in iOS (scrolling round long documents is torturous in iOS) and transplant it to Lion is beyond me. It'll be getting turned off within seconds, but leaving it on as a default just makes the OS harder to use for new users.

Phazer

 

[Vulpinemac]

I kinda like the one corner resizing. It seems better and less easy to accidentally resize a window. Anyone with me on that one? Plus you don't get those ugly double arrowed cursors.

although, maybe it is just because I am used to it.

Most of the time I believe I would agree with you, though I'll grant a large-sized window that doesn't change size when the user changes resolution can make resizing said window extremely difficult. Personally, I think something like Option-Right-Click for the resize any edge would be more efficient for avoiding the issues you describe yet still give you that ability when really needed. You have to admit, though, that the double-headed arrow pointer is the standard icon for generic resizing.

 

[mabaker]

I do not like where it’s going to be honest. It’s much too Windows-like. Where is the innovation? Window resizing? Really?

Lion seems to be a solid but an entirely non-essential OS.

 

[mrsir2009]

I dislike hidden scrollbars very, very much.

Since I started using Macs with multitouch I have never used or paid attention to the scroll bars. I would welcome their hiddenness in Lion

 

[neko girl]

Cut something is sort of how the name implies.

You are 'Cutting' the file out of the folder it used to be in, and then pasting it onto the new area.

Copying is merely making a duplicate, leaving the original in its old place.

Technically, he's right:

http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/

 

[mabaker]

The above screen shot of Windows context menu hurts my eyes. It should be forbidden to post these things here.

 

[farmboy]

It's the new iApple Moral Model. No naughty words on Apple products or forums. Think Different has become Think Like We Tell You to. Magic.

BTW, OSX will be gone in three years.

Yeah, because we need to have swearing invade every single aspect and moment of our lives so the childish and illiterate can feel accepted.

 

[mike31mets]

Some pretty neat changes.

A few things I'd like for them to copy from Windows:
-Cut and Paste
-Aero Snap
-Double-clicking top window bezel to maximize/minimize window
-Proper folder merging that doesn't result in content getting lost

I think these would be simple enough to implement and truth be told, even if you didn't want these features, you should be able to disable them (like aero snap) or simply not use them.

Get er dun Apple!

 

[cmaier]

Some pretty neat changes.

A few things I'd like for them to copy from Windows:
-Cut and Paste
-Aero Snap
-Double-clicking top window bezel to maximize/minimize window
-Proper folder merging that doesn't result in content getting lost

I think these would be simple enough to implement and truth be told, even if you didn't want these features, you should be able to disable them (like aero snap) or simply not use them.

Get er dun Apple!

This is now in Lion (it asks you if you would like to merge or replace).