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Then why does it constantly come up? I mean with EVERY thread about UI. You can't use the "nobody wants it" argument forever, Cut-paste is one of the most asked-for features.

Nah. Besides stating that I have never needed it, I basically was trying to make a point of the wildly-used quantifiers stated to support positions without any real information.

"Every", "all", "most", "many" when supporting your viewpoint; "few", "some", "none", "nobody" when dissing a viewpoint.

We "all" do it. Some even capitalize it.:)
 
Nope, the Finder "Cut" feature is a crippled leftover from OS9 if I remember correctly, and there's no way to "Paste" what's cut. It's basically delete with another name. It's almost as if the "cut"-text is there just to rub it in our faces.
I was simply pointing out that using TotalFinder (an OS X Finder compatible extension) gives you Cut/Paste capabilities in Snow Leopard (and has for a while).

The software also gives you tabbed Finder windows and various other enhancements.
 
hrrrgh. First off its not a colour its a shade. Yes SHADOWS do affect perception to the human eye - last I checked this is a USER Interface so yet switching the shadows that represent a depressed/selected button DO make it easier if done right. ALL windowing computer systems & now mobile systems do this.

So back up your boggle again?

Yeah I hate to be "one of those" but the Finder side bar "iTunes 10" icons are driving me buggy. The colors and shadows make the icons much more distinguishable and easier to find. While it may appear to be "unifying" the GUI, too much grey isn't helping.

With some iOS interface features, I would have liked to have seen darker but more distinguished/designed icons and folders. It's the first beta, so here's hoping Apple fleshes out the kinks.

P.S. "Launchpad" (an iOS implementation to organize "recent" applications) has a flaw. Attempting to rename a folder causes it to crash, attempting again seems to be ok (at least on my 2010 Mac Pro)

EDIT: Has anyone created replacement graphics for the Finder sidebar yet? lol usually we're pretty quick on the draw :)
 
Then why does it constantly come up? I mean with EVERY thread about UI. You can't use the "nobody wants it" argument forever, Cut-paste is one of the most asked-for features.
Apple has explained why cut and paste doesn't exist in the Finder. It's all about the logic of it.

You can keep hoping but until they change their UI philosophy, it won't show up.
 
Yeah I hate to be "one of those" but the Finder side bar "iTunes 10" icons are driving me buggy. The colors and shadows make the icons much more distinguishable and easier to find. While it may appear to be "unifying" the GUI, too much grey isn't helping.
I find it ironic that your avatar picture is monotone grey. ;)

What's driving me more nuts is that Quicklook seems to look like a normal window now. Not liking that.
 
My thoughts on Lion:

I honestly like the grayscale icons in Finder. At the moment, to me at least, the sidebar looks cluttered and distracting. But maybe that's just me.

Not sure how I feel about the hidden scrollbar - it looks a bit annoying, what with it popping up all the time, and is too big and strangely distracting. If less clutter/distraction was what Apple was going for, I would have preferred a grayscale scrollbar. It ends up being smaller and doesn't become distracting as it pops up and fades away. :\

All-corner resizing - meh. I'll probably just subconsciously go to the bottom right 95% of the time, but I guess I'm glad it's there? Always hated Windows' ('s or just '? lol) way of dealing with resizing - I have having to point my cursor in just the right spot for the resizing icon to appear. I like OS X's preemptive visual cue, and the lack of unnecessary cursor change. Some people are glad to have the option, and I understand that - what I really don't like it how's it's implemented on every OS that uses it. (Linux flavours (that I've tried) included.)

Reverse scrolling: NO! It works great on iOS because the idea of touch-based scrolling is that you're dragging the screen with your finger, but that isn't how it works on the desktop. You're moving the visual page across the entirety of the window by moving the "visual area" (image it like a box moving around the full page) up or down. You aren't dragging the page around. All it'll do is confuse the hell out of me, and whenever I use a different OS I'll have to consciously switch. The fact that it's a feature at all (and a default one at that :\) - optional or not - is user hostile. Don't like this one bit, especially considering the fact that Apple might get the idea to drop the option after a few more iterations of Mac OS. (Hope not.)

LaunchPad seems a bit redundant and pointless to me, seeing as we already have app folders in our dock. And beyond that - we have a DOCK. I guess it's something that some people might like, but it just seems like a pointless extra gesture option that really didn't need to be inspired by iOS.

Mission Control is I guess okay? It just seems like an enhanced exposé.

I like the new Mail - the three-section browser always annoyed me, and I like the new focus being on the message. I have scrolling through my tiny message window, and I have opening a new window even more. This is one thing I'm glad they took from iOS, because it actually adds to the user experience and improves on something.

Autosave sounds like it will be a nice feature if it's done correctly. One thing I don't want is to be afraid of closing my app for fear of losing my document. I like the feeling of saving and then being sure my document is properly saved. But looking at how it's done in iLife, I guess I don't have much to worry about. I'm sure I'll be uneasy for the first few weeks, though, haha.

Versions are very cool. It's very much an extension of time machine, but it actually shows you what your document looks like - formatting, pictures, pages and all - without having to search through your files and use Quick Look.

Resumé is a nice feature. Not much to say except for the fact that I'll definitely be restarting and my mac a lot more than I usually do. Definitely needed autosave to take off - I'm glad they both came at once.

AirDrop will be a very good feature if it's done right, and will make using two macs on one project exponentially easier the more files are involved. Of course, I'm sure lots of people won't use it at all, but hey. It really strikes me as a "consumer" feature that will be really useful in the professional market, but we'll see.

I wasn't able to see the new Quick Look before the video went down, but any improvement is welcome. I just hope it still works properly when previewing a file to be imported into an app, but I assume it will.

Lion server - depending on how full-featured it is, it's either extremely appreciated or extremely unhelpful. XP


Overall, I like Lion except when Apple tried to import features from iOS that were unnecessary or even damaging in a desktop OS. I hope scrolling in general is better in the public version, but I honestly don't see it happening except for maybe the upside-down gestures.
 
Simplicity

I'm always curious about why people think it should be Steve Jobs' way or the highway. Or yours for that matter. In this single instance every other OS offers an option. Mac OS does not.

The reason for the small number of options in Mac OS is simplicity.

Choosing simplicity over flexibility doesn't make it objectively better (or worse). You get to decide.
 
I find it ironic that your avatar picture is monotone grey. ;)

What's driving me more nuts is that Quicklook seems to look like a normal window now. Not liking that.

haha :eek: guilty

Ouch! I didn't notice Quicklook until you mentioned it. Wasn't it HUD? Is there an option to revert? Given that Me.com has colored sidebar icons, I'm surprised OS X is going the opposite direction. I would love to see more HUD and darker/detailed graphics.

I like the new "About This Mac":

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Question: What is all this "swearing" and "freedom" talk about? Does Lion now have new voices/characters for Voiceover?
 
There's more videos on YouTube. Just do a search and organize by upload date to see the latest ones.

The only reason this one was taken down is that it was featured on the MacRumors front page. Highly visible to Apple.
 
haha :eek: guilty

Ouch! I didn't notice Quicklook until you mentioned it. Wasn't it HUD? Is there an option to revert? Given that Me.com has colored sidebar icons, I'm surprised OS X is going the opposite direction. I would love to see more HUD and darker/detailed graphics.

I like the new "About This Mac":

Ah, I didn't even notice the new About details. Not a bad enhancement at all.
 
Ah, I didn't even notice the new About details. Not a bad enhancement at all.

If you follow the "Support" link, there are "Mac OS X Resources" and "Macintosh Resources". Under "Macintosh Resources" there is a link for "Hardware Support", right now it's inactive but I'm assuming this will be a link to any AppleCare related to your Mac and options for service.

Question: Is there a way to link/upload an image on MacRumors without showing your personal information?
 
Ah, I just saw a few pictures of the new Quick Look and I honestly prefer it to the current version.
 
you don't need a terminal command you go into the appearance tab in system preferences and theres a section where you choose how you like the scroll bars. iv also noticed that the aperance setting is greyed out, i wonder if theres a new ui hidden in that menu?
Edit: if you hold the mouse over the appearance setting it says "blue only for lion seed" would it have been hard to add the graphite theme into the seed?

The graphics might not have been done yet.
 
Looks incredible so far. A very slick melding of iOS and OS X. Can't wait to install it come the summer.

Funny thing is, the more I use my iPhone 4, the more I wish OS X's interface would function more like it. I can only imagine how I'll feel when I get an iPad.

Apple chose a great wallpaper to showcase the OS, by the way. Lovely colours.
 
My thoughts on Lion:

I honestly like the grayscale icons in Finder. At the moment, to me at least, the sidebar looks cluttered and distracting. But maybe that's just me.

Not sure how I feel about the hidden scrollbar - it looks a bit annoying, what with it popping up all the time, and is too big and strangely distracting. If less clutter/distraction was what Apple was going for, I would have preferred a grayscale scrollbar. It ends up being smaller and doesn't become distracting as it pops up and fades away. :\

All-corner resizing - meh. I'll probably just subconsciously go to the bottom right 95% of the time, but I guess I'm glad it's there? Always hated Windows' ('s or just '? lol) way of dealing with resizing - I have having to point my cursor in just the right spot for the resizing icon to appear. I like OS X's preemptive visual cue, and the lack of unnecessary cursor change. Some people are glad to have the option, and I understand that - what I really don't like it how's it's implemented on every OS that uses it. (Linux flavours (that I've tried) included.)

Reverse scrolling: NO! It works great on iOS because the idea of touch-based scrolling is that you're dragging the screen with your finger, but that isn't how it works on the desktop. You're moving the visual page across the entirety of the window by moving the "visual area" (image it like a box moving around the full page) up or down. You aren't dragging the page around. All it'll do is confuse the hell out of me, and whenever I use a different OS I'll have to consciously switch. The fact that it's a feature at all (and a default one at that :\) - optional or not - is user hostile. Don't like this one bit, especially considering the fact that Apple might get the idea to drop the option after a few more iterations of Mac OS. (Hope not.)

LaunchPad seems a bit redundant and pointless to me, seeing as we already have app folders in our dock. And beyond that - we have a DOCK. I guess it's something that some people might like, but it just seems like a pointless extra gesture option that really didn't need to be inspired by iOS.

Mission Control is I guess okay? It just seems like an enhanced exposé.

I like the new Mail - the three-section browser always annoyed me, and I like the new focus being on the message. I have scrolling through my tiny message window, and I have opening a new window even more. This is one thing I'm glad they took from iOS, because it actually adds to the user experience and improves on something.

Autosave sounds like it will be a nice feature if it's done correctly. One thing I don't want is to be afraid of closing my app for fear of losing my document. I like the feeling of saving and then being sure my document is properly saved. But looking at how it's done in iLife, I guess I don't have much to worry about. I'm sure I'll be uneasy for the first few weeks, though, haha.

Versions are very cool. It's very much an extension of time machine, but it actually shows you what your document looks like - formatting, pictures, pages and all - without having to search through your files and use Quick Look.

Resumé is a nice feature. Not much to say except for the fact that I'll definitely be restarting and my mac a lot more than I usually do. Definitely needed autosave to take off - I'm glad they both came at once.

AirDrop will be a very good feature if it's done right, and will make using two macs on one project exponentially easier the more files are involved. Of course, I'm sure lots of people won't use it at all, but hey. It really strikes me as a "consumer" feature that will be really useful in the professional market, but we'll see.

I wasn't able to see the new Quick Look before the video went down, but any improvement is welcome. I just hope it still works properly when previewing a file to be imported into an app, but I assume it will.

Lion server - depending on how full-featured it is, it's either extremely appreciated or extremely unhelpful. XP


Overall, I like Lion except when Apple tried to import features from iOS that were unnecessary or even damaging in a desktop OS. I hope scrolling in general is better in the public version, but I honestly don't see it happening except for maybe the upside-down gestures.

Those that do not like the reverse scrolling and the disappearing scroll bar will have options that make everyone happy.

As a total trackpad gestures wh*re, I am totally psyched about Launchpad and Mission Control. I much prefer the way they work to either expose or the dock app folder. The swiping gestures might even get me to look at Dashboard.
 
Looks incredible so far. A very slick melding of iOS and OS X. Can't wait to install it come the summer.

Funny thing is, the more I use my iPhone 4, the more I wish OS X's interface would function more like it. I can only imagine how I'll feel when I get an iPad.

Apple chose a great wallpaper to showcase the OS, by the way. Lovely colours.

Oh yeah, you will dig the iPad.

I was extremely hesitant about them at launch, had the similar view point of many at the time that it was just a giant iPod Touch. I was very, very wrong. I don't use it everyday, but the value it brings is truly significant.

Regarding Lion, I am not quite sure about the melding of iOS and OS X. I don't want to feel like I am using a mobile OS when sitting behind a desk for 18 hours.

But we'll see. Plenty of time for change.
 
Appearance->show scrollbars always.
Allow me to ask a couple of questions to those who may know. :)

1) Are these scrollbars, when shown "always", shown as an overlay, or are they shown as in Snow Leopard?

2) Are there still arrows in the scrollbar? I don't use the arrows a lot, but every once in a while they're exactly what I need.

As for sliders vs. buttons, I suppose the non-greyed-out B, I and U things here mean that the text is not bold, italicized or underlined, while the non-greyed-out left-alignment thing means that the text is left-aligned, right? I hope that whatever they do, they will make the interface consistent throughout the OS and the applications.
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Resizing from any side is a good thing. Nothing's more annoying than HD Videos that resize themselves automatically with no way for me to get to the bottom right corner because it's off the screen. Or meticulously placing the mouse cursor exactly in the corner without activating the dock's scaling effect if trying to resize maximized windows.

Hidden Scrollbar. Not knowing there are more files on the screen because of the hidden scrollbar can easily be fixed if they have it pop up when moving the mouse in the window.
 
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Allow me to ask a couple of questions to those who may know. :)

1) Are these scrollbars, when shown "always", shown as an overlay, or are they shown as in Snow Leopard?

2) Are there still arrows in the scrollbar? I don't use the arrows a lot, but every once in a while they're exactly what I need.

It's a weird hybrid. They're shown in a separate strip of pixels, but the arrows are gone and the aqua bar is replaced with the iOS one. Think SL style, minus the arrows and the iOS bar replacing the aqua. I don't think it's the final appearance, but I also don't think the arrows are coming back. When you do need something equivalent, the arrow keys will do.

As for sliders vs. buttons, I suppose the non-greyed-out B, I and U things here mean that the text is not bold, italicized or underlined, while the non-greyed-out left-alignment thing means that the text is left-aligned, right? I hope that whatever they do, they will make the interface consistent throughout the OS and the applications.
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The slider is only used for things that are either-or. So for textedit, a it wouldn't make since for a slider to be used for B/I/U because you could have all 3 enabled. In any case, the B/I/U in TextEdit doesn't get darker depending on what text you have selected (unlike pages.) This is strange and not very useful, so I'd hazard a guess that that part of the UI is incomplete.
 
Allow me to ask a couple of questions to those who may know. :)

1) Are these scrollbars, when shown "always", shown as an overlay, or are they shown as in Snow Leopard?

2) Are there still arrows in the scrollbar? I don't use the arrows a lot, but every once in a while they're exactly what I need.

As for sliders vs. buttons, I suppose the non-greyed-out B, I and U things here mean that the text is not bold, italicized or underlined, while the non-greyed-out left-alignment thing means that the text is left-aligned, right? I hope that whatever they do, they will make the interface consistent throughout the OS and the applications.
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This is the best example of GUI inconsistency yet. Following the new logic, the B, I and U are all selected/pressed. You have to watch closely to realize that's not true, because B, I and U are buttons instead of a slider. But at first glance this is not apparent. Bad move, Apple.
 
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