Wow, yes. I missed the news of Intel price cuts! 8 Core goes from 1113 to $667. The 14 core now drops to the same price as the 8 core was before. So I ASSUME that Apple will now sell me the new Mac Pro 14 core for the announced $5,999 right? Yeah, sure.... I will be very appalled if they keep the base model config and price now....
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Wow, yes. I missed the news of Intel price cuts! 8 Core goes from 1113 to $667. The 14 core now drops to the same price as the 8 core was before. So I ASSUME that Apple will now sell me the new Mac Pro 14 core for the announced $5,999 right? Yeah, sure.... I will be very appalled if they keep the base model config and price now....
...and $100 of today's money will buy you a Raspberry Pi that's an order of magnitude more powerful than any of those were including free software that's more capable than anything from 1990. From which we can conclude that the "today's money" argument is pretty meaningless.
If Apple want to return to 1990 prices, I hope they'll be happy with 1990 sales numbers. That was when an IBM PC would set you back $4k - it was also when Apple hardware had significant technical advantages over PC hardware (esp. PC hardware knobbled by DOS) and Macs were more comparable with the likes of Sun/SGI-type workstations that cost way more.
Problem is, today, that $4000 Xeon PC is substantially the same technology as the $6000 Mac Pro - and the few advantages the MP has (more PCIe & RAM slots) simply come from its use of the latest Xeon CPUs, which will be coming to a cheap PC near you very soon. Windows 10 is now a fully capable modern OS with little in common with the cruddy DOS shell of the past - as is Linux for certain fields of use. Meanwhile, if you need moooar! powerrrr! 56-core, quad-GPU PC systems are already available - they just tend not to be advertised like consumer products in the way the Mac Pro is. The Mac Pro is only a sensible proposition if you are unable or unwilling to consider migrating from Mac-only software - and given Apple's proven tendency to abandon its Pro products for years at a time before swerving off in some new direction that expects everybody to change their workflow overnight, I'd strongly suggest trying to get out of that position ASAP.
I stop reading at "Windows 10 is now a fully capable modern OS".
Who?
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I mean, as far as Windows goes, it's pretty nice actually. But that's also like saying you've got the most teeth in the trailer park.
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I mean, as far as Windows goes, it's pretty nice actually. But that's also like saying you've got the most teeth in the trailer park.
The price cuts were on the W-2200 series Xeons, which are the latest generation replacements for the W-2100 series that are in the iMac Pro, not the Mac Pro.
The Mac Pro uses the W-3200 series parts, and there are no price cuts to those CPUs (as far as I know). I would expect to see pricing and/or config changes when the new iMac Pro is released though.
The stainless handles and feet are just...ouch. No clean lines here at all. The old cheesegrater design wins by a mile. (And a half.)
It's not that it is just, meh. It is literally unappealing in design. It doesn't look 'professional' to me...
It's not that it is just, meh. It is literally unappealing in design. It doesn't look 'professional' to me...
No, the G5's handles were OUCH. From someone who'd have to lug 30 of them around whenever we would have to reimage the Mac lab, the new Pro's handles look like luxurious.
Having seen the video, its obviously a real Mac Pro. But that's of zero surprise – of course there are there are real (production or maybe pre-pro) versions out in the wild for people to test. There are probably dozens of the out with film editors and VFX artists, so Apple can get feedback. It's an expensive machine and I'm sure Apple would want to do at least some field testing before releasing it into the wild. I just hope they don't have any major issues, because I really have waited long enough now.
Sales of the Mac Pro will be VERY low. The current Mac Pro never rises above a single digit percent of all Mac sales in ANY quarter. This will even be less. And, at those prices, Apple will still make a profit on each one sold.
I must have missed the ads for the Mac Pro, do you have a link?
the top panel is different on the clone. The top of that case is identical to Apple.
I didn't know who calvin harris was either but I just googled his net worth is $190,000,000.00
is he one of those rappers like snoopy dog-dog?
Yep... I don't mess around with music editing or production on my Mac much anymore. It was always just a hobby/side thing for me. But it's been true for many years that the music industry takes forever to update and certify their software for new OS X releases. Always need to keep things one version behind.
Perhaps I should have said "promoted" rather than "advertised" ...at the moment, the Apple website & the big, high-profile launch back at WWDC (a specialist workstation maker won't plug a $20k Xeon system to that kind of audience).
Wow...I’m impressed by the amount of BS in this thread:
whoever thinks A famous, successful music producer (I don‘t know him as well) needs to push his ego by building a pc / hackintosh with a dune case, posting a video on insta, that‘s going to be deleted after 24h in the hope someone might see the case and think it‘s a Mac Pro is just hugely mentally disturbed...
This guy isn‘t famous because he posted a video of a Mac Pro, he is famous that‘s why people were watching his video in the first place. Besides I‘m pretty damn sure if he wants to have a good time he‘d rather invite a bunch of groupies into his hotel than reading comments high fiving him for his (fake) Mac Pro. But who knows, maybe you’re right and it‘s his fetish...
Yes, there might be a tiny, tiny Chance that Apple / Calvin Harris are doing this on purpose, but then: why would they?! Everybody knows that a new Mac Pro is going to be released this fall. Apple is not trying to sell this thing to an average costumer, but to companies / freelancers even though the hype among the average costumer IS already there, so there is no need to fake a story like this.
Companies / pros on the other hand don‘t buy something just because it looks good or because it‘s cool, they need a stable system with a lot of power.
No Disney or HBO kind of company or post-houses / freelancers working with those companies will be like „oh, look: Calvin Harris is using a Mac Pro, let‘s reconsider our windows-environment!“
BTW: when Apple announced the new Mac Pro they already said that they worked closely with companies / pros to make sure the new Mac Pro is exactly what these people are looking for. These companies / individuals received an early version of the new Mac Pro while Apple was still working on it even months before the announcement. So why shouldn’t they send Out the final product to selected costumers for final testing / feedback?
And to everyone complaining about the price tag: Apple doesn‘t care about you. Apple can make a lot more money off of you, when you‘re buying a new iMac every 2 or 3 years, that‘s why the price for the base model is that high, to scare you away.
whoever thinks A famous, successful music producer (I don‘t know him as well) needs to push his ego by building a pc / hackintosh with a dune case, posting a video on insta, that‘s going to be deleted after 24h in the hope someone might see the case and think it‘s a Mac Pro is just hugely mentally disturbed...
This guy isn‘t famous because he posted a video of a Mac Pro, he is famous that‘s why people were watching his video in the first place. Besides I‘m pretty damn sure if he wants to have a good time he‘d rather invite a bunch of groupies into his hotel than reading comments high fiving him for his (fake) Mac Pro. But who knows, maybe you’re right and it‘s his fetish...
Yes, there might be a tiny, tiny Chance that Apple / Calvin Harris are doing this on purpose, but then: why would they?! Everybody knows that a new Mac Pro is going to be released this fall. Apple is not trying to sell this thing to an average costumer, but to companies / freelancers even though the hype among the average costumer IS already there, so there is no need to fake a story like this.
Companies / pros on the other hand don‘t buy something just because it looks good or because it‘s cool, they need a stable system with a lot of power.
No Disney or HBO kind of company or post-houses / freelancers working with those companies will be like „oh, look: Calvin Harris is using a Mac Pro, let‘s reconsider our windows-environment!“
BTW: when Apple announced the new Mac Pro they already said that they worked closely with companies / pros to make sure the new Mac Pro is exactly what these people are looking for. These companies / individuals received an early version of the new Mac Pro while Apple was still working on it even months before the announcement. So why shouldn’t they send Out the final product to selected costumers for final testing / feedback?
And to everyone complaining about the price tag: Apple doesn‘t care about you. Apple can make a lot more money off of you, when you‘re buying a new iMac every 2 or 3 years, that‘s why the price for the base model is that high, to scare you away.
The fundamental problem is not that this Mac Pro is too expensive for what it is (from all accounts the hardware in it is absolutely firebreathing), but rather that for a brief time there (the age of the cheese grater Mac Pro), Apple made a no-nonsense high-end thoroughly expandable workstation Mac which was comparatively affordable. Which they let die on the vine, and then followed up with the utterly unexpandable trashcan Mac Pro. And now, this one, which has unbelievably good performance, but is also priced out of the hands of a lot of private users or edge-case users who could have afforded the old cheese grater Mac Pro.
The problem is, a dozen years ago, their answer to "we want a very fast expandable machine" was the computer equivalent of a $60k sports car. And a lot of people loved that and could afford to get one, even if their use case wasn't "rendering million dollar special effects in real time". This time, their answer to the same question is the computer equivalent of a Bugatti Veyron - and it's obscenely powerful and expandable, but it's also priced out of the hands of a lot of the people who could get the cheese grater back in the day.
And now there are a lot of arguments (like in this thread) where much of the problem is that various participants in the discussion are working from different definitions of "professional user". Yes, for users with the very highest high-end needs, this machine is perfect and entirely justifiable. But there are a lot of users with less lofty needs that could justify/afford the old Mac Pro, who can't justify/afford this new one. Keep in mind that it's not a binary comparison of "blockbuster special effects artist" vs "home user", there's a whole spectrum of use cases in between.
It's particularly painful when the Mac Pro is the only internally upgradable/expandable Mac in the lineup. There's ample room for a "Mac Pro Mini", in a much more modest box, with some capacity for upgrades (RAM, SSDs, video cards). But, Apple won't build that. Instead, those users are told to buy iMacs, which are not expandable, and which come with permanently attached monitors (they are very nice monitors, but you don't always need to replace your monitor when you upgrade your machine).
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The people this is aimed at, are not buying it for how it looks.
To what end?
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Yes, because they're not interested in that market segment.
Really?
I would venture to guess most professionals who are the target segment for this can't afford a Bugatti.
But let's say they configure this to, like, $7k, and keep it for four years. That's $146 a month.
A Bugatti Veyron starts at $1.7 million. You'd have to keep it for 970 years to get the same monthly rate.
They can get a Mac mini. Or iMac. Or iMac Pro. Or MacBook Pro.
That's right, they won't.
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No high dollar system vendor has a website with their wares prominently displayed? In today’s market, how do they SELL anything then? Dell has a page dedicated to a $5000 HD. Because it’s on Dell’s website, it’s being promoted to consumers?
And high profile launch at WWDC? See, that doesn’t work either because “Apple uses the event to showcase its new software and technologies for software developers“ AND “A $1,599 ticket is required to enter the conference.” But how do you get that same information to all the unlucky developers that couldn’t attend? You stream it.
BUT WHAT IF CONSUMERS SEE THE STREAM? OR, WATCH IT AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT IS OVER!! WON’T THEY THINK WE’RE PROMOTING IT TO THEM??!!?
No. Because it’s a developer conference. Everyone should understand that everything announced at the WORLD WIDE DEVELOPER CONFERENCE is for developer consumption.
They wouldn’t plug a $20,000 Xeon system to, not only the developers that may need one (Xcode will eat all the performance you give it) but also the same developers that will need to write code for OTHERS that need one and need updated software for it? I mean, by that logic, even if Apple had announced the Mac Pro at it’s OWN event, labeled “CONSUMERS PLEASE DON’T WATCH”, just the fact that they have a webpage for interested parties to peruse what was announced STILL makes it “promoted” to consumers... just by it existing.
Yup.
I'm guessing Apple will silently update the iMac Pro from the 2100 to the 2200 (if only because Intel will eventually stop shipping the 2100). As for passing price cuts on to the customer, I don't know about that.
Because the effective target market for this new Mac Pro is quite different than for the previous Mac Pro.
Those are exciting numbers, but what on earth does that have to do with what I was saying? You might as well add in that the sun is (roughly) 93 million miles away. That's an even bigger number. Also has no relation.
None of which are expandable the way that the old Mac Pro was.
If the entire Mac line was fully fleshed out with models fitting every need and use case, then few would be complaining about a $12k (with monitor) combo. It'd sell to the very high-end users, and those with not quite so lofty needs would buy lesser machines (but still above the consumer level). But the cheese grater Mac pro also served the contingent that wanted/needed an expandable machine and could afford to spend a bit extra. This Mac Pro shuts that contingent out. If there were an xMac that those users could buy, they wouldn't be complaining about the Mac Pro.
That's not true. No one in their right mind would voluntary use a Pro Tools beta to get actual work done.
AVID actually warns the user base and recommends not to upgrade to Catalina.
As for additional audio software, check the compatibility charts a lot of developers are simply not there yet.
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