Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacBook Pro 2011 predictions

ZenErik said:
In my opinion, you are underestimating the speed difference between SSD and HDD. My MBP boots in under 10 seconds with my SSD, SF-1222 controller. The spinning wheel literally only does a 720°. Done.

All of my apps load practically instantly (XSlimmer also helps). All of my plug-ins within Logic Studio and Reason also load instantly. I have never dropped my laptop, but with a SSD, the worry of losing my data from a impact like that is greatly reduced.

Computer also wakes from sleep in a snap. No spinup.
Click to expand...

Who is? I know SSD is amazingly fast but my point still stands, high capacity SSDs are very expensive. Going from 500GB HD which is what most current MBPs have to 128GB SSD sounds ridiculous. 128GB may be enough for some people but I wouldn't take that for my main computer. External HDs aren't that nice with laptops either.

Apple can do what they do now, offer SSD as a BTO for those who want it but I seriously doubt they can force all buyers to live with 128GB or pay hundreds of more for 256GB which is still less than what current MBPs have. Sure there is 512GB but its price is astronomical.

SSDs are definitely the future but the price per GB must come down by a lot before they can fully replace mechanical HDs. Besides, like I said above, SSD is great for OS X and apps but for storing other things it starts to be quite expensive and HD would do the exactly same thing for 1/10 of the price.

I definitely want Apple to bring SSDs to all models because they simply fly but 1) with reasonable price tag 2) without sacrificing the amount of storage. That's why the only way IMO is what I said above, SSD stick + 2.5" HD. You don't need SSD storage for your music, photos, videos etc, those are just fine in an HD.
 
Hellhammer said:
Who is? I know SSD is amazingly fast but my point still stands, high capacity SSDs are very expensive. Going from 500GB HD which is what most current MBPs have to 128GB SSD sounds ridiculous. 128GB may be enough for some people but I wouldn't take that for my main computer. External HDs aren't that nice with laptops either.

Apple can do what they do now, offer SSD as a BTO for those who want it but I seriously doubt they can force all buyers to live with 128GB or pay hundreds of more for 256GB which is still less than what current MBPs have. Sure there is 512GB but its price is astronomical.

SSDs are definitely the future but the price per GB must come down by a lot before they can fully replace mechanical HDs. Besides, like I said above, SSD is great for OS X and apps but for storing other things it starts to be quite expensive and HD would do the exactly same thing for 1/10 of the price.

I definitely want Apple to bring SSDs to all models because they simply fly but 1) with reasonable price tag 2) without sacrificing the amount of storage. That's why the only way IMO is what I said above, SSD stick + 2.5" HD. You don't need SSD storage for your music, photos, videos etc, those are just fine in an HD.
Click to expand...
I can certainly agree not making SSDs the standard yet. The prices are still too high for most people. Having the option of a SSD or HDD seems good.

I wouldn't mind a dual HDD and/or SSD option if the optical drive is removed, but I would not want a SSD stick like in the MBA. It is too proprietary for my liking. I want to be able to upgrade myself as Apple usually doesn't use the speediest components available for the price.
 
Is the color of the machine considered as hardware? I hope they have various colors for the macbook, at least black like several years ago, but not only white.
 
What I expect out of the new 15inch macbook pros:

-Updated sandy bridge processors
-Similar external design
-Removal of the optical disk drive.
-The HDD will be relocated to where the optical drive used to be (think optibay).
-The empty space of where the HDD used to be will be utilised by a bigger battery.
-New BTO option for SSD in addition to HDD (think iMac). This should be easy as the optical disk drive used to take up more space than a 2.5inch HDD.
-Still only USB2

The rest I'm unsure of and the 13 inch is still a bit of an enigma to me :p

Adam
 
So can anyone tell me expected price?
This is so hard for me - MBA now, MBP now, or MBP next year... :(
 
davidcmc said:
If MacBooks Pro start to come with that kind of SSD used in Air, they'll no longer bem "Pro" MacBooks.
That new size of SSDs used in Air is made for specific laptops that really need every centimeter of space inside, and it's not the case of the Pro line.

If they don't let us use those normal 2,5" HD/SSD, I can assure you that Apple is going have a problem.
Most SSDs manufacturers don't make that kind of SSD used in Air, so everyoene would simply have to sell their SSDs because Apple wants you to use a new kind.

Well... I don't think this would be a smart move.
Click to expand...

This about it this way, If they come with Blade type SSD's, the hard drive pay could hold the rest of an EVEN LARGER battery. It would be great to have better graphics, an SSD, and 12 hour battery life to top it off.

I dont need the optical drive, period. Why we still use CD's is beyond me. my friends and I almost always use flash drives to share files.


As for people who already own SSD's, aren't those things godly expensive? and if tehy are, it should be easy to sell them for somewhat cheap, and fund a new MBP, and there's no need to seriously upgrade to a new mac if you have a recent model with an SSD in it (unless you want the better graphics)...
 
dinjin201 said:
This about it this way, If they come with Blade type SSD's, the hard drive pay could hold the rest of an EVEN LARGER battery. It would be great to have better graphics, an SSD, and 12 hour battery life to top it off.

I dont need the optical drive, period. Why we still use CD's is beyond me. my friends and I almost always use flash drives to share files.


As for people who already own SSD's, aren't those things godly expensive? and if tehy are, it should be easy to sell them for somewhat cheap, and fund a new MBP, and there's no need to seriously upgrade to a new mac if you have a recent model with an SSD in it (unless you want the better graphics)...
Click to expand...
Some of us want the best performing SSDs. At current, we won't get anywhere close to that with these blade versions.

Toshiba Blade SSD:
Read Speed 220MB/s (sequential mode)
Write Speed 180MB/s (sequential mode)

SSDs with SF-1222 controller:
Read Speed 285MB/s
Write Speed 275MB/s
 
My vision for the new MBP:

1. Lightpeak. Intel is slated to release it in 2011, and since they've been working with apple, it's pretty likely.

2. The Internal HDD will be removed, the new space will allow for an expansion of the battery.

3. The MBP will adopt MBA style SSD's to save even more space, and the Optical drive will be taken out and the extra space willl go to the abovementioned SSD and a better GPU. It may be possible that ports will be mirrored on both sides to some degree (think MBA's USB drives)

4. External superdrives will be sold to those who want them. (these will come in a unibody enclosure as well)

5. Lion and iLife '11 will be standard.

6. Once again, Lightpeak will replace most other adapters, and as for charging, I kind of see Lightpeak as a fibre optic connection and a metal connector beside it. Metal provides power (for something like an external HDD) while fiber optics transport data.


***Edit: It may be possible that Apple provides a BTO option with the NON extended battery, but an OPEN HDD slot where you could put your SSD's or some HDD for extra storage.
 
Last edited:
ZenErik said:
Some of us want the best performing SSDs. At current, we won't get anywhere close to that with these blade versions.

Toshiba Blade SSD:
Read Speed 220MB/s (sequential mode)
Write Speed 180MB/s (sequential mode)

SSDs with SF-1222 controller:
Read Speed 285MB/s
Write Speed 275MB/s
Click to expand...

So, maybe a higer end pro version where they use Sandforce SSD's?

EDIT: I just read another post where they suggest SSD stick built in and the HDD bay with a HDD (which you could replace with your own SSD). That's an interesting idea.
 
dinjin201 said:
So, maybe a higer end pro version where they use Sandforce SSD's?

EDIT: I just read another post where they suggest SSD stick built in and the HDD bay with a HDD (which you could replace with your own SSD). That's an interesting idea.
Click to expand...
SandForce or whatever is best when the revision is released would be excellent. If Apple pushes these blade SSDs enough I suppose someone else will release a better version of it.

Built in wouldn't be bad either as long as I can add a 2nd SSD. If I can RAID 0 them together, that would be ideal. :D
 
13" MBP:
Core i9 extreme
GTX 580m
24GB RAM
1024GB SSD

Seriously though,
I think they might have an SSD + HDD combo like the iMacs.
 
ZenErik said:
Some of us want the best performing SSDs. At current, we won't get anywhere close to that with these blade versions.

Toshiba Blade SSD:
Read Speed 220MB/s (sequential mode)
Write Speed 180MB/s (sequential mode)

SSDs with SF-1222 controller:
Read Speed 285MB/s
Write Speed 275MB/s
Click to expand...

Photofast has already announced a blade-type SSD with SF-1200 controller (there is no such thing as SF-1222). Promises up to 250MB/s sequential reads and writes. Still marginally behind the best SSDs but in reality, you won't notice the difference. And yes, the blade SSD is upgradeable.

Also, you're mixing your wants with something that may/will happen. I'd like a 13" with i7 and discrete GPU. That has not happened. The amount of people who would swap the SSD for a faster one is tiny and thus Apple couldn't care less about it. There are always people who are not satisfied no matter what Apple does. A normal user won't notice the difference between Toshiba and SandForce SSDs as they are both amazingly fast.

Besides, SSD stick + HD combo would still give you an option to replace the HD with the SSD of your choice. Then sell the SSD stick if you don't want it because it's "too slow".
 
Hellhammer said:
Photofast has already announced a blade-type SSD with SF-1200 controller (there is no such thing as SF-1222). Promises up to 250MB/s sequential reads and writes. Still marginally behind the best SSDs but in reality, you won't notice the difference.

Also, you're mixing your wants with something that may/will happen. I'd like a 13" with i7 and discrete GPU. That has not happened. The amount of people who would swap the SSD for a faster one is tiny and thus Apple couldn't care less about it. There are always people who are not satisfied no matter what Apple does. A normal user won't notice the difference between Toshiba and SandForce SSDs as they are both amazingly fast.

Besides, SSD stick + HD combo would still give you an option to replace the HD with the SSD of your choice. Then sell the SSD stick if you don't want it because it's "too slow".
Click to expand...
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=sf-1222

I will notice a difference with my usage. But you are right that a typical user may not.
 
IMO removal of the ODD is horrible. People get the MBP for music and video production, then end up finding out they cant burn the product onto a CD/DVD?
Then there's people who like to watch movies. Rent a movie for $1 ($1.50 for BD) and that's already cheaper than iTunes and more legal than TPB.
Also I think Panasonic made a blade-SSD too. Looking at the sheer simplicity of these thngs, and the performance and the size, the blade-SSD will be either a lot cheaper or a lot more expensive than the 2.5".
 
Prodo123 said:
IMO removal of the ODD is horrible. People get the MBP for music and video production, then end up finding out they cant burn the product onto a CD/DVD?
Then there's people who like to watch movies. Rent a movie for $1 ($1.50 for BD) and that's already cheaper than iTunes and more legal than TPB.
Click to expand...

Ever heard of external DVD drive? The ODD is the most useless part in a computer. People who need the drive for professional purposes are better off with external since they are much faster. How many people really watch DVDs on their laptop? I bet not that many, TVs are for that.

The ODD is almost as big as the whole logic board, it literally takes 1/4 of the whole 13" MBP!

FkpKKrqQlYsgNBq6.huge


That's wasted space for the big number of people who don't use it regularly. So much could be put in that space; SSD, discrete GPU, bigger battery... I'm not saying it will be removed but I'm hoping that it will be.
 
Dream Configuration

What configuration would you love?
me
-bluray
-lp
-512gb ssd
-8gb ram
-i7
MBP 15"
 
Last edited:
Isn't the Blu Ray drive an optical disc drive?

And what is "lp"?

Anyway, I would like to see a Woodcrest 17" MBP with the capability to run longer than ten minutes while using all 12 cores in Safari and watching YouTube porn, in other words, cute ******* (cats).
 
simsaladimbamba said:
Isn't the Blu Ray drive an optical disc drive?

And what is "lp"?

Anyway, I would like to see a Woodcrest 17" MBP with the capability to run longer than ten minutes while using all 12 cores in Safari and watching YouTube porn, in other words, cute ******* (cats).
Click to expand...

fixed.

lp=Light Peak
 
The big disadvantage of the Air is the lack of an optical drive. Many people don't buy it because it lacks the drive, so they buy the 13" MBP just for the ability to burn discs. But I see your point. Maybe Apple should adopt the mini-CD's over the regular ones?
 
Prodo123 said:
The big disadvantage of the Air is the lack of an optical drive. Many people don't buy it because it lacks the drive, so they buy the 13" MBP just for the ability to burn discs. But I see your point. Maybe Apple should adopt the mini-CD's over the regular ones?
Click to expand...

Luckly this thread confirms that those "many people" are a minority part of all consumers.
 
I think I can make a reasonable prediction.

- A new fifteen inch model with no DVD drive; maybe slimmer, definitely larger battery.

- Same screen; seems like Jobs is not a 16:9 fan. No IPS.

- Internal SSD standard. Probably intel's 25nm design

- Sandy Bridge processors, the 45W quad cores available in 17 inch models as a premium option. 50/50 on whether 25W i7s or 35W i5s are standard; depends on intel's pricing and both may be available.

- 70/30 graphics stay with nVidia if only because of driver reasons. AMD switch not impossible, though.

- 50/50 on lightpeak, probably no USB 3.0 although a combo port could happen.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back