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It's interesting to see that Apple starts reducing their MBP stock four weeks before the official launch of the Sandy Bridge CPUs, when usually Apple isn't the first to adopt new CPUs.

I guess we'll see new MBPs in late February, possibly Feb 22nd, and not as previously expected in March or April.
 
My early 2008 15" MBP still isn't out of date, and in many ways its better than the current ones. It has a 60GB SSD in addition to a regular hard drive, 6GB of RAM, and an expresscard slot so I can have USB3 or eSATA if I want it. It also has a DVI port so I can connect straight to many displays without an adapter, and I have the option of connecting it to my old TV with S-video via a passive adapter. The only problems with it are short battery life (2-3 hours) and maybe that the processor and GPU are slightly slow, but these days I rarely do anything CPU-intensive and I don't play games.

I'm not going to upgrade until Apple includes something faster than USB2 or FW800 built in.
 
Sandy Bridge does not support GPGPU, but it supports Blu Ray and video DRM. It makes no sense for Apple.

Or Apple not supporting Blu Ray will look much worse.
Sandy Bridge does support GPGPU. Intel's white paper on Sandy Bridge is explicit that the IGP is capable of Compute Shader 4.x. Whether that can translate into OpenCL support or more importantly, if Intel and Apple will put the effort into writing an OpenCL driver for Sandy Bridge's IGP is another question. So far I believe every GPU that has supported Compute Shader has also support OpenCL so there is hope.

What's most important for the general consumer is not OpenCL support anyways, but that Apple supports Sandy Bridge's hardware video encoder which is more efficient than a pure GPU encoding solution anyways. Presumably accelerated video encoding/transcoding would be the most common use-case of GPGPU for most users.

And I'm not sure why Blu-ray support makes it less likely Apple will adopt Sandy Bridge. Blu-ray support didn't stop Apple from adopting Arrandale. What's important about Blu-Ray support is that Sandy Bridge's IGP like Arrandale and the GMA MHD4500 does full H.264 decoding, which is something Apple doesn't bother to use in current Arrandale models rather they power up the more power hungry discrete GPU to do it which makes no sense.
 
As much as I'd prefer the white being discontinued vs. the 13" MBP, I think if they were going to replace either with the air, it would be the MBP.

The air does not take place of the MB solely cause it's just too expensive (least for the equivalent sized one). The MB is aimed at those mostly who want something a little cheaper, not more features.

The 11" MacBook Air is already $999, the price of the current white MacBook.

The new MacBookAir is already looking like the standard MacBook in all Apple's advertising and in their stores. It appears to be very successful. They can make up for smaller profits by increasing volume. If they can price the iPad at $500 -- an extremely compact computer with a 10" touch screen and the latest technology -- then they can make a MacBookAir comparable to the white MacBook that can sell for $999.
 
No AMD no Upgrade for me MUST be an AMD PROC AND VCARD or wont upgrade.

Why? AMD is basically good for people who want to build cheap gaming PCs. They are considerably slower than their intel couterparts. AMD GPU would be sweet though

aww my 3000 dollar i7 mbp from early 2010 is gonna be outdated :(

It was outdated the second you bought it, that's just how it is with technology. My 2008 model still runs like a boss, so no upgrade for me.

I think the line-up for laptops will be something like this for at least the next 6 months.


Macbook Air 11" Core 2 Duo
MacBook Air 13" Core 2 Duo
MacBook Pro 15" Sandy Bridge i5 and/or i7, NVidia GPU
MacBook Pro 17" Sandy Bridge i5 and/or i7, NVidia GPU

All models will come with SSD storage as standard.
All models will not have an optical drive.
We'll see a complete redesign for the Pro line with more space for battery.

That's a pretty heavy statement. Getting rid of their most popular notebook? I really don't see them getting rid of the optical in anything but the 13" pro, as there is actually space for it in the 15 and 17s. SSDs are too expensive to be standard and actually sell with the higher costs of the components in the pro machines, especially since people need 500GB or more.
 
Why? AMD is basically good for people who want to build cheap gaming PCs. They are considerably slower than their intel couterparts. AMD GPU would be sweet though



It was outdated the second you bought it, that's just how it is with technology. My 2008 model still runs like a boss, so no upgrade for me.



That's a pretty heavy statement. Getting rid of their most popular notebook? I really don't see them getting rid of the optical in anything but the 13" pro, as there is actually space for it in the 15 and 17s. SSDs are too expensive to be standard and actually sell with the higher costs of the components in the pro machines, especially since people need 500GB or more.

Agreed,

I don't think the world, specially Pro-sumers are ready to leave optical drives just yet.
 
Agree on SSD, but maybe with a slight delay on the Pro models? Unless they have a standard drive where the SuperDrive used to be? Pro users like me will have a hard time dealing with 128/256gb options, and 512GB SSD are currently prohibitively expensive. Though I might have to get along with toting one of those WD Elements 1TB 2.5" drives that are only around $100 right now.

I'd love only 128gb SSD + 1TB internal drive. Perhaps the new blade SSD for the OS only, with a slot still for standard 2.5" drives, and extra battery where the SuperDrive was?

I'm afraid fringe users like yourself may be left to come up with creative solutions. I'm starting to see again a real distinction between laptop (tablet)
and desktop. Editing videos and sounds on a laptop is incredibly painful IMHO. It is just slower and the interface is not ideal. Most professionals and amateurs like myself prefer a desktop for video work. I just can't imagine creating a short youtube video with several hours of footage as raw material on a laptop. I guess you only do this if don't have a choice.
 
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That's a pretty heavy statement. Getting rid of their most popular notebook? I really don't see them getting rid of the optical in anything but the 13" pro, as there is actually space for it in the 15 and 17s. SSDs are too expensive to be standard and actually sell with the higher costs of the components in the pro machines, especially since people need 500GB or more.
I wonder if Apple got rid of the HDD and optical drive whether they'll bring back the ExpressCard slot to the 15" model? They have reversed themselves before on Firewire port cuts. At the very least, if they get rid of the HDD and optical drive, hopefully they use the extra external surface area, since ports don't take much internal volume, to add an additional USB port or at least move some ports to the other side and space them up more so there is less chance of interference.
 
I'd like to see the 15" MBP with no optical drive, a ssd drive (for the OS) in addition to the regular drive (witch would be used for storage) and more battery in the space left over.
 
Sandy Bridge does support GPGPU. Intel's white paper on Sandy Bridge is explicit that the IGP is capable of Compute Shader 4.x.

It is DirectX 10.1 hardware. Show proof that it actually supports GPGPU in DirectX. It doesn't have OpenCL as per Intel.

AMD Fusion is DirectX 11. Llano has been advanced to Q2.
 
For the dual cores, yes. The quad cores are already out.

I doubt Apple will be putting quads into the 13 MBP.


And I don't understand why people say they are going to kill off the 13 MBP. Its the most popular notebook and its targeted differently than the MBA 13.

I really doubt the 13MBA would replaced the 13Pro.
 
That's a pretty heavy statement. Getting rid of their most popular notebook? I really don't see them getting rid of the optical in anything but the 13" pro, as there is actually space for it in the 15 and 17s. SSDs are too expensive to be standard and actually sell with the higher costs of the components in the pro machines, especially since people need 500GB or more.

If you look at the current 13" Air and 13" Pro, they're not much different between them except for the optical drive and a few ports. Yes, they have different storage media, but the function is the same. I don't see a need for an optical drive in any laptop. You maybe right about SSD in the Pro line, but Apple is in position to strike good deals with large manufacturers such as Toshiba.
 
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Pigumon said:
and the one negative vote is for what reason?

I don't even pay attention to the voting. I think it's corrupt and stupid. Don't worry about the yes/ no poll - it's not a big deal. It was probably just someone who hates Apple or doesn't want their current MBP to feel "outdated". Who knows.
 
I doubt Apple will be putting quads into the 13 MBP.


And I don't understand why people say they are going to kill off the 13 MBP. Its the most popular notebook and its targeted differently than the MBA 13.

I really doubt the 13MBA would replaced the 13Pro.

As the article suggests, they could update the 15 and 17 inch MBPs first (as supply constraints suggest) and delay the 13 inch. I highly doubt that they'll do quad core only for those models though (if at all, although if you ask me I think it's time to start offering them), which means everyone is waiting regardless.
 
I'd like to see the 15" MBP with no optical drive, a ssd drive (for the OS) in addition to the regular drive (witch would be used for storage) and more battery in the space left over.

I already have that, it's called an 'OptiBay'. Pretty simple to install too.
 
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ipedro said:
I'm going to predict:

- MacBook white discontinued
- MacBook Air becomes the standard MacBook

I'm gonna say 'no'.
 
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