💻 👨‍💻 🌎 MacBook Pros 14-Inch and 16-Inch Pre-orders, Orders and Delivery Status Thread - USA & Other Countries (2021) 👩‍💻 💻 🌏

[bradl]

Apple only needed 10 days between iOS 15 RC and iPhone launch day, and those units must be at least tenfold of what they need to flash on the MacBooks. It seems they can swiftly figure those logistics out. I wouldn’t be surprised if the RC for Monterey was released the day of the event with the MacBooks shipping the Friday of the following week.

Oh, I agree that the time between gold master and release can be short, but it's the timing between now and competitor's events, earnings calls, etc., that are the conflict, which also gives them additional time to release more betas to fix the problems they may be having.

BL.

 

[PeterJP]

I'm very certain that the event will be on 10 November. It's exactly one year after the M1 announcement, so they can build a story around being halfway the 2 year transition period. And look what wonderful hardware we have now, nearly all macs are now using Apple silicon.

Major tongue in cheek, of course

 

[anshuvorty]

I'm very certain that the event will be on 10 November. It's exactly one year after the M1 announcement, so they can build a story around being halfway the 2 year transition period. And look what wonderful hardware we have now, nearly all macs are now using Apple silicon.

Major tongue in cheek, of course

I have been parroting this too!!

Nov makes much more sense…

 

[pshufd]

while that sounds like a valid reason -- looking at the buggy mess that is ios/ipados15 that was released and shipped on all new iphones/ipads and the noticable decline in apple's software quality in the past few years, i'm not entirely convinced.

There's a lot more pressure on Apple to succeed with M1X than with the iPhone.

 

[3Rock]

“MacBook Pros 14-Inch and 16-Inch Pre-orders, Orders and Delivery Status Thread Only (2021)”​

If we’re now thinking of November as the announcement date then (OP Tuesday Oct 5th Thread starter)……..Was that kind of premature to even post this when we are not even close to the Pre order ? Should have been titled differently.

 

[UltimateSyn]

I've posted a lot in here but I'm not sure I've ever addressed the question in the poll!

My anticipation is that I will be getting the 16", but with the taller aspect ratio and larger diagonal (vs. previous 13.3") I could be tempted by the 14". It will all come down to the weight and price differences between the two. I really hope the $600 price difference between base models is lowered significantly, since as I've mentioned elsewhere it's ludicrous to charge that much more to people who just want the larger screen. I also hope the 16" gets trimmed back to 4lbs rather than the relatively hefty 4.3lbs of the current model - I think 4lb is a sweet spot and anything over that quickly starts to become cumbersome.

 

[UltimateSyn]

“MacBook Pros 14-Inch and 16-Inch Pre-orders, Orders and Delivery Status Thread Only (2021)”​

If we’re now thinking of November as the announcement date then (OP Tuesday Oct 5th Thread starter)……..Was that kind of premature to even post this when we are not even close to the Pre order ? Should have been titled differently.

There are still a lot of dates in October that are in play - the 19th (highly doubt because of the Pixel coverage, but still), 20th, 21st, 26th and 28th could all theoretically be the event dates. After that we can start looking at the first two weeks of November...

 

[ToomeyND]

I've posted a lot in here but I'm not sure I've ever addressed the question in the poll!

My anticipation is that I will be getting the 16", but with the taller aspect ratio and larger diagonal (vs. previous 13.3") I could be tempted by the 14". It will all come down to the weight and price differences between the two. I really hope the $600 price difference between base models is lowered significantly, since as I've mentioned elsewhere it's ludicrous to charge that much more to people who just want the larger screen. I also hope the 16" gets trimmed back to 4lbs rather than the relatively hefty 4.3lbs of the current model - I think 4lb is a sweet spot and anything over that quickly starts to become cumbersome.

I really agree with these points. But I'm also concerned with the number of ports. The M1 MBP only has 2, essentially making it a MBA with more battery. But the intel 13" has 4. If the 14" MBP only has 2 USB-C, I think I'd want to go bigger, which is a shame for all the reasons you listed above.

 

[ToomeyND]

I've posted a lot in here but I'm not sure I've ever addressed the question in the poll!

My anticipation is that I will be getting the 16", but with the taller aspect ratio and larger diagonal (vs. previous 13.3") I could be tempted by the 14". It will all come down to the weight and price differences between the two. I really hope the $600 price difference between base models is lowered significantly, since as I've mentioned elsewhere it's ludicrous to charge that much more to people who just want the larger screen. I also hope the 16" gets trimmed back to 4lbs rather than the relatively hefty 4.3lbs of the current model - I think 4lb is a sweet spot and anything over that quickly starts to become cumbersome.

I said I agree with the above in my last message, but why does the taller aspect ratio make the 14 better for you? If I'm working on documents, I like the wider view to put two side by side. What are you doing that makes a taller ratio better?

 

[UltimateSyn]

I really agree with these points. But I'm also concerned with the number of ports. The M1 MBP only has 2, essentially making it a MBA with more battery. But the intel 13" has 4. If the 14" MBP only has 2 USB-C, I think I'd want to go bigger, which is a shame for all the reasons you listed above.

It's fun to talk about things that have basis in reality and aren't just me wildly speculating which day Apple might announce laptops on.

For starters it does seem that the 14" M1X MBP is going to be billed as a direct-replacement to the four-port 13" Intel MBP of today and the two-port 13" M1 MBP will stay in the lineup at its lower price point. However, the Quanta EVT schematics that leaked back in the spring told a story of gaining some ports and losing others; 3 USB-C ports (one less than the 4 of today's models) but MagSafe, HDMI and the SD card slot all make their triumphant return. I for one will happily take that tradeoff. I believe the current consensus is that these schematics were for the 14" variant, which is good. That means the ports will likely be the same, if not even more plentiful, on the 16" model.

Here's the MR article on those schematics, in case you missed it: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/21/macbook-pro-stolen-schematics-ports/

 

[UltimateSyn]

I said I agree with the above in my last message, but why does the taller aspect ratio make the 14 better for you? If I'm working on documents, I like the wider view to put two side by side. What are you doing that makes a taller ratio better?

It's not really based out of any particular use case, I just find that screens with taller aspect ratios feel more... open? I really don't like using 16:9 displays, especially down at those sizes - it all feels cramped and like I have a limited sliver of visibility into my content. Apple's 16:10 displays were always a step in the right direction, but I think that the new ~15.4:10 will feel even more spacious. More akin to the 4:3 on my 12.9" iPad that I love so dearly.

 

[SicTransitGloriaMundi]

There's a lot more pressure on Apple to succeed with M1X than with the iPhone.

after the m1's success, i'd argue against it. they've already proven their silicon is powerful. but with the iphone .. every year it's the same with "apple is doomed" or "this year's iphone is the worst" headlines. iphone reaches more people so therefore the pressure is higher with these devices. every. year.

 

[pshufd]

after the m1's success, i'd argue against it. they've already proven their silicon is powerful. but with the iphone .. every year it's the same with "apple is doomed" or "this year's iphone is the worst" headlines. iphone reaches more people so therefore the pressure is higher with these devices. every. year.

They've proven that they can do it one time. The iPhone they've done over and over so nobody really cares that much.

 

[SicTransitGloriaMundi]

The iPhone they've done over and over so nobody really cares that much.

That’s just not true.

 

[Vazor]

It's fun to talk about things that have basis in reality and aren't just me wildly speculating which day Apple might announce laptops on.

For starters it does seem that the 14" M1X MBP is going to be billed as a direct-replacement to the four-port 13" Intel MBP of today and the two-port 13" M1 MBP will stay in the lineup at its lower price point. However, the Quanta EVT schematics that leaked back in the spring told a story of gaining some ports and losing others; 3 USB-C ports (one less than the 4 of today's models) but MagSafe, HDMI and the SD card slot all make their triumphant return. I for one will happily take that tradeoff. I believe the current consensus is that these schematics were for the 14" variant, which is good. That means the ports will likely be the same, if not even more plentiful, on the 16" model.

Here's the MR article on those schematics, in case you missed it: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/21/macbook-pro-stolen-schematics-ports/

Did Apple/Quanta end up paying the hackers?

 

[pshufd]

That’s just not true.

There's a lot of hype by the media but they're just trying to get clicks. Apple Silicon is a one-trick pony so far.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Did Apple/Quanta end up paying the hackers?

Certainly is interesting that the rest of those documents were never leaked and there wasn’t a peep about legal action or their identities being revealed… I would LOVE to know what played out behind the scenes with that one.

 

[UltimateSyn]

There's a lot of hype by the media but they're just trying to get clicks. Apple Silicon is a one-trick pony so far.

Apple Silicon is actually a ~35-trick pony so far. They’ve been releasing Apple-designed SoCs for iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, headphones, accessories and Macs since 2010.

 

[pshufd]

Apple Silicon is actually a ~35-trick pony so far. They’ve been releasing Apple-designed SoCs for iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, headphones, accessories and Macs since 2010.

That's nice.

But they've only released one for Macs.

 

[UltimateSyn]

That's nice.

But they've only released one for Macs.

Sure, but look at how much they’ve been able to accomplish with 5W and 15W. Absolutely no reason to doubt what they can do given more power.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

My wallet is...getting ready. I have $1800 from selling my 2019 16" MBP, so that's a start. I expect this thing to cost an arm and a leg, probably their most expensive laptop yet. I want the 16" because I want the highest specs and the largest screen area since I will likely not be owning an iMac any time soon and this will be my primary computer (essentially a desktop replacement for me). It will be even more enticing for me if the screen resolution is increased, as some rumors have suggested (as I will always run it at 2x scaling for the crispest, sharpest image). I'm expecting an improved webcam, more ports beyond USB-C, and graphics performance that surpasses the previously available discrete GPUs.

With expectations this high I feel like I can only be disappointed 😬 But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. 😊

 

[pshufd]

Sure, but look at how much they’ve been able to accomplish with 5W and 15W. Absolutely no reason to doubt what they can do given more power.

Sure there is.

The wait.

 

[PeterJP]

I said I agree with the above in my last message, but why does the taller aspect ratio make the 14 better for you? If I'm working on documents, I like the wider view to put two side by side. What are you doing that makes a taller ratio better?

Working with two documents side by side, while common, is just one use case. I do it too. But on big screens (say, 27"), more vertical space would not stop me from putting documents side by side. On the contrary - I still need less scrolling in both documents if the screen is taller.

In Logic, I prefer to put time line, editor and mixer below each other. So vertical space is important there. I compensate for my 16:9 screen by adding my laptop below it. Also for web browsing on every regular screen, I need to horizontally reduce my windows, otherwise I get large empty bars on both sides anyway. I honestly don't see any use in going 16:9 or wider. But hey, because the industry is hell bent on making screens for the specific use case of movies only, I must be wrong

 

[ToomeyND]

Working with two documents side by side, while common, is just one use case. I do it too. But on big screens (say, 27"), more vertical space would not stop me from putting documents side by side. On the contrary - I still need less scrolling in both documents if the screen is taller.

In Logic, I prefer to put time line, editor and mixer below each other. So vertical space is important there. I compensate for my 16:9 screen by adding my laptop below it. Also for web browsing on every regular screen, I need to horizontally reduce my windows, otherwise I get large empty bars on both sides anyway. I honestly don't see any use in going 16:9 or wider. But hey, because the industry is hell bent on making screens for the specific use case of movies only, I must be wrong

Thanks for this. And it makes sense on timeline work to stack them vertically instead of side by side. Regarding the top point, though, you mentioned more vertical does not stop from putting documents next to each other. However, if the screen size is the same, say 14", then a taller aspect ratio would mean less horizontal. So you DO actually lose some of the ability to put side by side. I get what you mean that the differences are very small in this case, but something does give.

Appreciate the responses on this mini tangent within the bigger thread. With MBP, size does (well, can) matter.

 

[bradl]

There are still a lot of dates in October that are in play - the 19th (highly doubt because of the Pixel coverage, but still), 20th, 21st, 26th and 28th could all theoretically be the event dates. After that we can start looking at the first two weeks of November...

Those won't work for this though, with the exception of of the 26th. As you mentioned, the 19th is out. And more than that, the media frenzy about Google's latest offering will take up more of the news cycle that week, so Apple will be fighting that to cannibalize the cycle. That's not Apple's flow.

The entire week would be out for that as well, because Apple's flow is to have an event on a Tuesday and release the actual product that Friday, if it isn't released that actual day. Cases in point: the latest iPhone, and Apple Watch. The exception I can think of is in 2011, with Apple releasing the mid-2011 MBA. That was a Wednesday, and was available that day. And seeing that 20th and 21st would be within the week that Google just announced, Apple won't do that.

The 26th is still in play, but if Apple has their quarterly earnings call on the 28th, they'll be cannibalizing their own news cycle to get a product out. They won't want to do that either.

So we are looking at November, regardless. With some local municipalities in the US having elections this year, that puts November 2nd out, as that is Election Day. They could potentially do it then, but with how political Apple is and stresses the need to get out to vote, they wouldn't want to disrupt that.

So you're now at November 9th for having an event, especially if they keep to their flow of having an event on a Tuesday and a launch of that product on a Friday. That would work, especially if it gives them further time to finish off the bugs being reported from the beta tests of Monterrey.

Now.. follow me on this.

Looking at the trends of the last 3 releases of MacOS (Big Sur, Catalina, Mojave), each one has had 10 Beta releases, and 2 Gold Master/Release Candidates. Beta 9 and Beta 10 of each of those were released within 4-7 days of each other, and all in the first week of October. Only Big Sur is the exception, when the last public beta was released on October 14th.

The release candidates tell a different story, where the final release candidate for Big Sur came out on November 10th, which coincided with the event they had for the Macs, also on November 10th.

The point here: Not only are we still in public beta, but we haven't even reached the Release Candidate/Gold Master stage for an event to even be scheduled. And seeing that the last public beta for Big Sur went from October 16th to the release almost a month later, there is no way we are going to have an event in the next 2 weeks.

We're looking at November 9th at the earliest.

BL.