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shanmugam said:
if Apple keeps the old technology keeping 3GS when iPhone HD available android market will win ...

unless of course they are selling the 3GS with out 2 year contract ($55 x 24 )= $1320.

i see this WWDC for iPhone as "Deliver now or regret later"; ;)

definitely people are keeping eye on Android regardless of it's shortcomings (only thing stopping them is iTunes and App store; app store can be created by Google, iTunes?) :rolleyes:

Spent the weekend with Android on an EVO. Wow. Night and day. Android simply blows the doors off my iPhone. The only plus for the iphone is that I have a bunch of DRM music and videos. I hope they announce a ton of changes to the OS to bring it up to the capabilities of Android, otherwise good riddance to overpriced, under functioning hardware. But also using Android shows me why its not right for a huge chunk of the iphone audience. It requires some thought to use, and the level of simplicity the iphone has is lacking. The iPhone OS is devoid of choices, but it works. For most folks that will be enough. It's also a notch in Androids favor that my EVO didn't drop a single call all weekend. ATT is awful. No news there though.
 
Spent the weekend with Android on an EVO. Wow. Night and day. Android simply blows the doors off my iPhone. The only plus for the iphone is that I have a bunch of DRM music and videos. I hope they announce a ton of changes to the OS to bring it up to the capabilities of Android, otherwise good riddance to overpriced, under functioning hardware. But also using Android shows me why its not right for a huge chunk of the iphone audience. It requires some thought to use, and the level of simplicity the iphone has is lacking. The iPhone OS is devoid of choices, but it works. For most folks that will be enough. It's also a notch in Androids favor that my EVO didn't drop a single call all weekend. ATT is awful. No news there though.

thanks for posting your experience with EVO.

competition is always good and let us see what Apple has this time around.
 
Okay I've read this entire thread, and I plan on doing something new this year, but I'm not sure about something..

I subscribed to the MacRumors twitter feed, but it says "spoiler free". What the heck is that exactly? I want twitter updates as they announce features, products etc. I will be in another country and I don't mind paying data roaming charges for some twitter updates, but obviously I'm not going to keep reloading the macrumors site with all the photos :p

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
After my usual phone conversation with SJ, here is what is gonna happen tomorrow:

- State of the Mac, iPhone, iPod and iPad, usual blablabla;

- iPhone OS 4, features as announced, immediate availability - later for iPad (September 2010);

- iTunes.com (streaming iTMS), iWork.com revision, 10.6.4 and Safari 5;

- new iPhone hardware, better battery, better camera, slightly revised design, better screen (the best in industry, in fact), nothing else of importance;

- one more thing: renewed MacPros and XServes, faster chips, better GFX options (for MPs), reduced energy consumption.

- Of course no new iMacs, no MBs or MBPs, MacMinis coming later (discreet updates on the Apple Store).

AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.
 
BRLawyer said:
And what's SO much better on the EVO, may you enlighten us?

Virtually everything is customizable. Instead of being forced to do things one way, you literally can choose multiple methods of completing tasks. Another huge plus was the choice of two free amazingly good turn by turn apps. Like I said though its not for people who just want simplicity. It's for people who love to tinker etc. I also loved that I could immediately tether it to my laptop and PS3 at no extra cost. After using it, there's really no going back for me, but I reserve the right to be blown away by iPhone changes tomorrow. And widgets are an amazing thing. The iPhone needs them and they need them now.

Another huge plus was the ability to view Flash sites at my own choosing. No more going to websites and not being able to view a video. I CHOOSE which videos and content I get to see on the EVO, the EVO doesn't choose for me.

Last edit: the ability to swap out the stock keyboard for a Swype keyboard. Every device should add the option to use something like this. You can see a similar version of it on the iphone or Touch. I believe it's called Shapewriter, but obviously Apple doesn't allow you to use it in any other apps.
 
After my usual phone conversation with SJ, here is what is gonna happen tomorrow:
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Plausible. But I would replace iTunes.com and iWork.com with Xcode 4 and MobileMe news. And 10.6.4 won't be mentioned unless it makes unicorns.
 
Virtually everything is customizable. Instead of being forced to do things one way, you literally can choose multiple methods of completing tasks. Another huge plus was the choice of two free amazingly good turn by turn apps. Like I said though its not for people who just want simplicity. It's for people who love to tinker etc. I also loved that I could immediately tether it to my laptop and PS3 at no extra cost. After using it, there's really no going back for me, but I reserve the right to be blown away by iPhone changes tomorrow. And widgets are an amazing thing. The iPhone needs them and they need them now.

Another huge plus was the ability to view Flash sites at my own choosing. No more going to websites and not being able to view a video. I CHOOSE which videos and content I get to see on the EVO, the EVO doesn't choose for me.

Last edit: the ability to swap out the stock keyboard for a Swype keyboard. Every device should add the option to use something like this. You can see a similar version of it on the iphone or Touch. I believe it's called Shapewriter, but obviously Apple doesn't allow you to use it in any other apps.

So in other words, the "advantages" are as follows:

1 - Customization possibilities - nice but superfluous, especially when a controlled environment for phones is SO much better than an open (and hackable) space; next, please;

2 - Widgets are apps, apps are widgets - a simple software update could do that to make them appear in the home screen - next, please;

3 - Still Flash? No comments, I pass;

4 - Swipe keyboards? Nice and easily implementable via a software update.

So you can count one real advantage today for the EVO. The rest is irrelevant in the scheme of things, notably considering the iPhone's HUGE advantage in terms of ecosystem, security and stability.

As for AT&T, also irrelevant since the iPhone is an international device sold with dozens of different carriers. The US is just one market, and AT&T has already made great strides in terms of upgrading its network for the higher data demands of iPhone users.

p.s.: just realized now that I have become 68030...good ol' 68k times celebrating more than 2,500 posts ;)
 
So in other words, the "advantages" are as follows:

1 - Customization possibilities - nice but superfluous, especially when a controlled environment for phones is SO much better than an open (and hackable) space; next, please;

2 - Widgets are apps, apps are widgets - a simple software update could do that to make them appear in the home screen - next, please;

3 - Still Flash? No comments, I pass;

4 - Swipe keyboards? Nice and easily implementable via a software update.

So you can count one real advantage today for the EVO. The rest is irrelevant in the scheme of things, notably considering the iPhone's HUGE advantage in terms of ecosystem, security and stability.

As for AT&T, also irrelevant since the iPhone is an international device sold with dozens of different carriers. The US is just one market, and AT&T has already made great strides in terms of upgrading its network for the higher data demands of iPhone users.

To be fair to the guy, he's right - and those are all legitimate advantages. You may say that they are implementable via a software update (any software feature is, obviously), but the chances of Apple doing that are pretty slim. I'd consider getting an EVO, but we don't have 4G in the UK yet. If the iPhone just had widgets on the lockscreen, it'd blow any Android offering out of the water. Having just a clock and your most recent text is simply not enough. Apple - get rid of the Weather app for a start, and move it to the lock screen along with upcoming appointments, breaking news and a customisable area for your own apps' content.

The tethering thing is something that really needs to be sorted out, but it's largely a network issue. Apple has developed the infrastructure, but if I've got an unlimited data plan, there's no way I'm paying £15 on top of that for so called "tethering data". Also, the EVO's idea of a mobile wi-fi hotspot is genius and is something I hope Apple will implement in OS 4.0.

I have no need for Flash, seeing as HTML5 will supersede it, without question, especially with the recent security flaws. Flash on a computer, let alone a mobile device, just doesn't work. It's highly unoptimised, takes up 95% of the CPU and is insanely buggy.

Apple shouldn't allow third-party keyboards, as it would take away from the unified user interface that its customers know and love. Instead, they should implement customisations such as key size, key colour, key font, etc...
 
BRLawyer said:
So in other words, the "advantages" are as follows:

Oh I actually thought you cared about what the differences are, but you're just one of those "if the iphone doesn't have it, it's not needed" types. Carry on. Some of us enjoy the competition because it forces companies to improve or become irrelevant, and the more I use the Evo, the more irrelevant my 3GS feels. Hopefully they have enough improvements to announce tomorrow to bring iphone OS more in line with Android 2.1(I haven't even seen the improvements Froyo brings).
 
Oh I actually thought you cared about what the differences are, but you're just one of those "if the iphone doesn't have it, it's not needed" types. Carry on. Some of us enjoy the competition because it forces companies to improve or become irrelevant, and the more I use the Evo, the more irrelevant my 3GS feels. Hopefully they have enough improvements to announce tomorrow to bring iphone OS more in line with Android 2.1(I haven't even seen the improvements Froyo brings).

+1

competition is always good.

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applemax said:
I have no need for Flash, seeing as HTML5 will supersede it, without question, especially with the recent security flaws. Flash on a computer, let alone a mobile device, just doesn't work. It's highly unoptimised, takes up 95% of the CPU and is insanely buggy.

Apple shouldn't allow third-party keyboards, as it would take away from the unified user interface that its customers know and love. Instead, they should implement customisations such as key size, key colour, key font, etc...

There's no reason the "typing" method implemented in Swype couldn't be used in the unified keyboard. I guess I'm more a fan of choosing my method than having it chosen for me. For example, Im typing this on an iPad running Perfect Browser instead of Safari. I love that choice.

I agree that Flash is inefficient, but I want the option to view Flash content. And on the evo, a touch of e screen loads the video I want to see, whereas on my iPad I get to see none of it. That's a terrible user experience.

Couldn't agree more with you about widgets. The guy short selling them as merely being apps is clueless.
 
Virtually everything is customizable.

i just want to know about the battery life. reviews say it's terrible. is it terrible? it has to be terrible, right?

that big screen + processor + 4G has GOT to mean miserable battery life. right? does it?

unless it goes all day, it's just not gonna have broad success. people on here still complain all the time about the iphone battery life sucking.

but hey... it's got a kickstand! :D
 
There's no reason the "typing" method implemented in Swype couldn't be used in the unified keyboard. I guess I'm more a fan of choosing my method than having it chosen for me. For example, Im typing this on an iPad running Perfect Browser instead of Safari. I love that choice.

I agree that Flash is inefficient, but I want the option to view Flash content. And on the evo, a touch of e screen loads the video I want to see, whereas on my iPad I get to see none of it. That's a terrible user experience.

Couldn't agree more with you about widgets. The guy short selling them as merely being apps is clueless.

I've just watched the Swype video - looks good! I can see Apple buying those guys out some time... :rolleyes:

Flash on an iPhone isn't a good idea, unless the hardware can support it fully without compromising the rest of the OS. However, I think it needs to be on the iPad, at least until HTML5 takes off.
 
muskratboy said:
i just want to know about the battery life. reviews say it's terrible. is it terrible? it has to be terrible, right?

that big screen + processor + 4G has GOT to mean miserable battery life. right? does it?

unless it goes all day, it's just not gonna have broad success. people on here still complain all the time about the iphone battery life sucking.

but hey... it's got a kickstand! :D

So far I'm getting about 8 to 10 hours of steady use making calls, using wifi, using 4g, texting, watching YouTube, taking pics. That's a step up from my iPhone, to be honest, and a huge step up from my 2g Touch, which can't even handle a few hours of solitaire and black Jack.
 
Virtually everything is customizable. Instead of being forced to do things one way, you literally can choose multiple methods of completing tasks. Another huge plus was the choice of two free amazingly good turn by turn apps. Like I said though its not for people who just want simplicity. It's for people who love to tinker etc. I also loved that I could immediately tether it to my laptop and PS3 at no extra cost. After using it, there's really no going back for me, but I reserve the right to be blown away by iPhone changes tomorrow. And widgets are an amazing thing. The iPhone needs them and they need them now.

Another huge plus was the ability to view Flash sites at my own choosing. No more going to websites and not being able to view a video. I CHOOSE which videos and content I get to see on the EVO, the EVO doesn't choose for me.

Last edit: the ability to swap out the stock keyboard for a Swype keyboard. Every device should add the option to use something like this. You can see a similar version of it on the iphone or Touch. I believe it's called Shapewriter, but obviously Apple doesn't allow you to use it in any other apps.

Thanks for taking the time to explain why you like the EVO. All are legitimate reasons to call the EVO superior given your personal preferences, but maybe less so for some people.

My experience with AT&T dropping calls has improved substantially in the last several months. Since they made their "Mark The Spot" app available I don't think I've had a call dropped. However I do find it frustrating that a year after Apple made the iPhone tethering capable, that AT&T is just now making it available, and charge an additional $15 per month for the service.
 
applemax said:
I've just watched the Swype video - looks good! I can see Apple buying those guys out some time... :rolleyes:

Flash on an iPhone isn't a good idea, unless the hardware can support it fully without compromising the rest of the OS. However, I think it needs to be on the iPad, at least until HTML5 takes off.

Apparently they offer their keyboard to anyone that wants to include it. You can try it out on your iphone or touch if you want. I think its called Shapewriter. There's a free version in the app store. It's a completely new way of typing, but I'm totally addicted to it now.
 
PsudoPowerPoint said:
Thanks for taking the time to explain why you like the EVO. All are legitimate reasons to call the EVO superior given your personal preferences, but maybe less so for some people.

My experience with AT&T dropping calls has improved substantially in the last several months. Since they made their "Mark The Spot" app available I don't think I've had a call dropped. However I do find it frustrating that a year after Apple made the iPhone tethering capable, that AT&T is just now making it available, and charge an additional $15 per month for the service.

Yeah, definitely superior to me, but like I said, I can see where its not for everyone, and vice versa. I hate that ATT is going to not only charge for tethering, but force you to buy the most expensive data package to get it. I also hate that Sprint charges 30 bucks for the ability to use the EVO as a wireless router (it's free right now for a month and it's awesome. I got my iPad wifi running off it. Suck on that, Apple and ATT!). The plus in Sprints favor is they are not blocking tethering apps on the EVO and they said they won't block Googles wifi router capabilities included in Froyo.
 
You guys that keep asking for mac hardware updates and acting excited for tomorrow, I hope you realize that unless you are a developer, WWDC is going to be the most boring thing for you. This conference is not designed for the apple fans/consumers, it is for strictly for software developers.
 
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