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Mark Gurman: Apple Exploring iPads With Larger Displays
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I’ve owned almost every iPad since the original and owned macs for nearly 2 decades…..if you must know my “lived experiences” (whatever that means anyway in regards to tech).
Change doesn’t happen overnight. And while I agree iPadOS could be a bit better it’s come a long way since the beginning. Comparing it to windows is pointless. As computing and what people do with devices has changed very much over 15 years. Lots of people don’t even own computers anymore. And that’s because of the iPad. It was the fastest adopted device since the DVD player.
Hell I’ve advocated for less features so they fix all the silly iOS bugs. Can’t please everyone.
Apple didn’t become a 2 trillion dollar company by being foolish. Sure they have hits and misses, that’s life. They clearly want people buying a Mac, iPad , iPhone , watch, etc.. Weather or not you like that is irrelevant, but it’s the truth. Their job is to try and make good products and make money. Business 101. Clearly it’s working as Apple has become the new Microsoft in regards to how big they’ve gotten and all the hate. Fun times!
An analogy I use over and over are cars…..how much have cars changed in ten years…..not much aside from infotainment systems. These things are utilities now, especially the phone. Expecting massive change every year or two is setting yourself up for disappointment.
Windows 10 active user base is 1.3 billion. for iPad it's around 400 million. That's the number that matters.Another iOS that’s currently outselling Windows laptops. Acer, Dell and HP WISH they could sell as many laptops as Apple sells iPads.
What confuses you about his statement? It seems that you will not be happy until the iPad ceases to be an iPad. Most iPad users do not want that. I understand that might be hard for you to internalize, it is what Apple currently thinks as well (based on their behavior).
I do not ignore them, nor have many of the others on here who have responded to your posts. However, there is a difference between acknowledging you exist and agreeing with your views. You are part of a vocal minority with whose views we disagree.
Your chart shows web views. Not a particularly valuable metric, given that most iOS users use apps to get to sites, rather than web browsers. Sorry. Microsoft says there are about 850 million Windows 10 users. Apple has stated they have over a billion active iOS devices. There may or may not be more Windows users than there are iOS users, but the numbers are close.
The iPad’s market share exceeds exceeds that of the Macintosh. Neither of them exceed the total market share of Microsoft Windows. The estimates are that macOS has a 7%-15% share of desktop/laptop OSes. The iPad has a similar share.
No, you keep fail to prove it. At this point, I have no words for you and it does not change the fact that iPadOS is limiting the hardware power and many users aren't happy.
The word many is macrumors and tech sites, the average person does not care nor what’s inside the iPad
Really? 1 anecdote is your proof that people don't like a Mac touchscreen?
Your BF is not all or even most people.
All I see are imaginative speculations and personal opinions.
Show me proof or citations that most people don't desire Mac touchscreen.
People keep explaining it, but you do not like their answers, so you say they have not done it.
I will try it one more time, and then, if you have not come up with a new argument in support of your position, I will simply ignore you. :-D
Those of us who prefer the iPad as Apple sells it, like the cleaner, easier interface that the iPad and iPadOS support. We do all sorts of content creation, drawing, video editing, sculpting and other professional tasks on the device and like it to have performance headroom for even more powerful apps specifically designed for the iPad in the future. What we do not want is macOS on the iPad. Many of us have macOS systems (I use an iMac Pro as my desktop, formerly belonged to my BF, and he uses an 2019 Mac Pro with 96GB of RAM and the AMD Radeon Vega II Pro Duo). Both of us have used Macintosh systems with touchscreens. Neither of us still does because it is a horrible experience.
That is the explanation. You may not agree with our reasoning, but you cannot argue we have not provided it.
If the Surface provides the experience you want, I suggest you get one. Apple is not going to build what you say you want, because they understand that you are part of a tiny minority and not one of their mainstream customers.
Yeah, the only thing is that I want it to the Apple Pencil 2. Can't stand the 1 due to the charging method.
Yup, that's why I am eagerly awaiting it.
I would buy it whether it's M1 or A14
Your statement was:
To which I replied that you were incorrect, that have have been touchscreens that support the Macintosh. While I think my BF is unique, I am pretty sure there have been other people who have connected Cintiq’s to Macintosh systems. I am also pretty confident that Apple themselves have built touchscreen systems for user testing.
The Cintiq is primarily used by creative professional. If they felt it was a great experience do you not think that Apple would know this?
You are correct, he is just one of many people who at one point used a Cintiq on his Macintosh and no longer does because it was an experience inferior to that provided by Sidecar.
And none of them convincing especially without providing proofs like you. Have a good day.
That does not answer my question. How much would you expect to pay for this device?
I actually want a 12” iPad Pro. I think my 12.9” is a little big and the 11” is a little small. The 12.9” is already big enough that they might as well just make it a chungus. They should do 8” Mini with reduced bezel, 10” standard, 12” iPad Pro with reduced bezel, and 14” iPad Pro with reduced bezel. 16” gets to be a bit much, unless maybe it’s able to be docked.
In a perfect world I’d have a 14” iPad Pro that docks to a keyboard and trackpad bottom to become a MacBook Pro running macOS. They could use thunderbolt to have an additional GPU, ports, and maybe even a storage device in the base, along with additional battery. I would pay A LOT for such a device! Maybe they’re waiting until they can make the iPad Pro a lot thinner and then it will work better for a top display piece.
In a perfect world I’d have a 14” iPad Pro that docks to a keyboard and trackpad bottom to become a MacBook Pro running macOS. They could use thunderbolt to have an additional GPU, ports, and maybe even a storage device in the base, along with additional battery. I would pay A LOT for such a device! Maybe they’re waiting until they can make the iPad Pro a lot thinner and then it will work better for a top display piece.
It’s quite a bit beyond hate at this point. It’s fear too.
Lots didn’t like Microsoft circa 2000 but there wasn’t anything to combat them (smartphones organically knocked Microsoft down circa 2010). MS was equivalent of iOS, Android, Windows and ChromeOS combined. You went against Microsoft and you were certainly left on the outside looking in. IMHO most tech just grudgingly accepted the MS reality and worked within the MS world. But Microsoft didn’t necessarily engender customer satisfaction and certainly not high % loyalty. Again, Windows was just the accepted reality (ME and Vista were big money makers for MS, seriously).
For Apple they don’t have anywhere remotely near that Microsoft pure monopoly power. But Apple engenders loyalty and customer satisfaction far beyond Microsoft’s day (among Apple’s minority but sizable customer base). Apple has significantly less market power but its customer loyalty power may be the greatest of all time. It’s almost a monopoly within a minority section of consumers.
It grates on some of the other big tech powers (as well as the internet hate club partially that is partly filled with plants and trolls). It probably should too. Regardless, It’s absolutely no coincidence some of the other tech powers are going after the App Store. Apple is the worlds biggest consumer electronics hardware sales leader of all time. Apple competitors: Microsoft is the worlds leader in desktop OS sales but is seeing notable (and unstoppable) decline in that sector. They’re becoming the biggest cloud provider(not an Apple sector). Google/Alphabet is the worlds biggest advertiser. It makes the lion share of its revenue through user clicks on ads for soap, socks, trips to Las Vegas, TVs etc. IMPORTANT, Apple just messed with the sale of those socks soap etc. That was probably the last straw to bring the heat down.
But Apple’s hardware sales are a slow grower (except Covid related sales spikes). 3% annual is considered Wall Street expectations. But Apple services sector growth graph frightens them and it probably should. It’s now Apple’s second biggest sector behind iPhones. Services sector is unfailingly growing every quarter (the revenue graph is uuuuuup). At this arc in several years Apple will be it close to also being the world biggest online tech services seller. Again that frightens them (and probably should). So they’ve called out the media and legal hounds to try to put the brakes to it, understandably. Because Apple has that loyal and satisfied customer base, cracking that wall has proved nearly fruitless (pardon the pun).
It’s gonna be interesting what they try next once the Epic circus likely fails.
Lastly, a Great example of the media war: A leading business media outlet just put out a story a few days ago that portrayed Facebook/Zuckerberg as the tireless battling hero in the fight against Apple’s significant privacy security moves. It was disgustingly misleading but important to see it fit what it was.
That'll be even more limited a market than iPhone 12 Mini.
Apple becoming the same they were during the Sculley days
Apple becoming the same they were during the Sculley days
Unless it totally fills a need that can command a higher price I don’t think apple will do it. If apple allows mac apps to run on an iPad then they will totally do it. That and if they can use it to raise the price. But without mac apps it would not justify a price hike.
What is “many users”? 4 guys with the names Zuckerberg, Gates, Sweeney and Sunny?
Apple generally is an industry leader regarding customer satisfaction and retention. That doesn’t mean anything they touch is automatically wildly successful, it does mean that an internet statement “many users aren’t happy” is nothing more than an axe grinding slogan.
Me: Present a comparison between sales of devices by Windows vendors and iPads.
You: Here’s a chart entirely NOT related to either sales, OR sales of devices by Windows vendors OR just iPads!
His statement was that Apple has no plans to build a touchscreen Macintosh. Again, here two articles that talk about what Apple has said on the topic. No speculation nor personal opinions.
Sorry, you are the one claiming that most people want that and so need to provide proof. My proof that Apple disagrees with your analysis of the market is that they keep saying they do. Had to be less speculation than that.