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Mark Gurman: Apple Exploring iPads With Larger Displays
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It might.
I imagine Apple is watching the Surface lineup rather closely, and wondering if Microsoft merely executed poorly, or if the whole idea just doesn't survive scrutiny.
Yes, agreed. The 12.9 is already rather hard to hold. 15 inches might be impractical already.
I thought that until I started carrying the 2018 12.9” one. Now I would love a 15“ - 17” one for use when I travel.
... and we already have devices with bigger screens that run macOS? Like.. the MacBook Pro at 16”? The iMac at 24”? The Mac mini at the screen size you desire?
I honestly don’t know why are there so many people obsessed about merging both categories. If you’re fine with an iPad and you can get your work done, great. If you need a desktop, a more traditional operating system, just get a mac!
Over the years, iPadOS has evolved and will continue to mature along with macOS, but they are not going to be merged in any way. An iPad is an iPad, and a Mac is a Mac. End of story, you can chose the one that fits best to you, or you can chose both because they complement quite well each other.
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As to your first comment, Apple should be willing to let it do that, and that's exactly my point. The particular frustration points are widely discussed here, and they are fixable.
As to your second comment, I have the iPad Pro with the Apple Smart Keyboard. My MacBook Pro is just about the same size. I open my iPad just like my MacBook Pro, I use a touchpad the same way I do on the MacBook Pro, and many of the apps are similar in overall appearance to those on my MacBook Pro. I don't really think it's that odd or unexpected that I would occasionally reach for the screen of my MacBook Pro, since that's a normal behavior on my iPad Pro.
Which they're already being asked to do because Apple released the relatively successful Magic Keyboard. In fact, it goes further because M1 Macs can now run iOS apps so developers can choose to support three different usage modes:
- touch only: original iPad only apps
- keyboard/trackpad with touch secondary: iPad apps extended to support the Magic Keyboard
- keyboard/trackpad only: iPad apps that embrace M1 Macs
Im fine with a 12.9 inch(Coming from an 11 inch 2018 ipad pro) waiting to see what they come out with next yr..perhaps OLED screen, maybe M2 upgrade..the glass on the back for charging dont care much for(Nice addition but not important to me) just all this stuff about ipad pro blooming makes me hesitant to buy this yrs model even though I was waiting for its release
Just think of how the tablet PC was a complete flop until Apple made a tablet. I remember tablets going back to around 2000.
Pencil and pro-motion display.
Don't care about mini-led.
M1 is preferred but A14 is sufficient.
How would you know people won't like to have a Mac touchscreen display if it doesn't exist yet?
Absolutely, but the iPad solved that in part because it wasn't like those other tablets. It didn't try to cram macOS or Windows onto a touch screen and add some features. It took the core of such an OS, but then added a completely different user interface (that has since been converging a little bit).
So, I'm not sure "we're going to take the Surface Studio but run iPadOS on it" is the entire story. Maybe, but maybe also, the answer is: that's not the kind of tablet anyone is going to use.
I hope this eventually comes to fruition. gives more options for others. Would be neat if it came with 240 hertz screen. I’m sure a larger magic keyboard would be nice as well. Biggwe trackpad, more space, bigger size keys
i do kinda wonder how a larger iPad would be marketed from Apple. Maybe pro apps will make their debut on this iPad as a selling point? Just a thought.
i do kinda wonder how a larger iPad would be marketed from Apple. Maybe pro apps will make their debut on this iPad as a selling point? Just a thought.
For many, it does mean that. I know and work with many professionals who use iPads and Macintoshes and do not what the iPad to be a Macintosh, so much more like one.
You say “many” but while the Magic Keyboard case (and the third party equivalents) have been successful accessories, they sell far fewer of them than of Keyboard Folio cases (no trackpad). The thing about trackpad/mouse support is that it works because it is optional (things work fine with just a finger for navigation). The more the device takes on macOS interface paradigms, the more of a problem touch becomes.
If by window sizing you mean multiple floating windows that can be put in the background, etc. that would be a terrible experience for most iPad users. One thing many like is that they do not have to worry about losing windows, as they do on macOS.
If Apple can improve the file explorer without making most users ever deal with it, that is fine. One thing that many iPad users like is the less complicated file interface.
By “film menu” do you they should add menus to the interface? If so, that is a terrible idea. If not, what specifically would you want?
Many picked it as a laptop because of its interface, not despite it. A large part of its success is that its interface is tailored to its form factor and is much easier for many people to use (Professionals included).
Microsoft shut down all their stores a year ago
iPad already supports mouse and keyboard
When the Apple Car is released it will have a large 18” iPad screen that’s removable.
So in other words, just the pro-motion display, as the current iPad Mini supports an Apple Pencil.
If you do not care about that, then it is certainly possible the next refresh would work for you.
How much would you expect to pay for this device?
I have the 12.9" (33 cm) iPad Pro, 15" (38 cm) could be a good size. Give it excellent cameras, front and back. iPad Pro needs very clear excellent close-up camera ability.
Make the Apple Pencil work on the Magic Trackpad.
Make the Apple Pencil work on the Magic Trackpad.
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You can't possibly use 15" tablet hand-held. It's wrong size for a tablet (12.9 is already bad for most hand-held use cases. What you are looking for exists. It's called laptop.I thought that until I started carrying the 2018 12.9” one. Now I would love a 15“ - 17” one for use when I travel.
Here's my idea: how about a goddamn modernized smaller ipad and a modernized larger macbook air (with minimal bezel)
8.5" iPad bezelless, 120HZ OLED
14-15" MacBook Air, 90HZ miniLED.
the chips don't even matter — insomuch as each is sporting an A14 and M1 respectively.
Apple are so far ahead on silicon in practice (modulo cortex X2 on a good tsmc node with good cache which doesn't seem to be happening much less in tablets or laptops yet) that all they need to do is quit dicking around with design and colors. An updated 15" MBA or iPad Mini is one-hundred dollar bills laying ok the sidewalk.
Think about the world we could have.
8.5" iPad bezelless, 120HZ OLED
14-15" MacBook Air, 90HZ miniLED.
the chips don't even matter — insomuch as each is sporting an A14 and M1 respectively.
Apple are so far ahead on silicon in practice (modulo cortex X2 on a good tsmc node with good cache which doesn't seem to be happening much less in tablets or laptops yet) that all they need to do is quit dicking around with design and colors. An updated 15" MBA or iPad Mini is one-hundred dollar bills laying ok the sidewalk.
Think about the world we could have.
Would they, though?
Window sizing is a nice power user feature, but it's not necessarily a net win for everyone. There's a thing to be said for the iPad's simplicity.
Files has been steadily improving.
I'm not sure a menu bar is a good fit on the iPad.
This forum is increasing me reminding me of the game Lemmings, and how easy it is to get a mass of people to walk off a cliff.....
A Majority of people considering $2700 configurations of the iPad Pro are not buying them to watch Netflix in bed.
I get it, Tim Cook whispered sweet nothings in your ear and Craig with his magical hair told you you've got everything you are ever going to need or want. And you will defend those statements with your lives until the next announcement releases something you said you never wanted - and then it will become the most magical and amazing release you've ever seen and you will bow down and worship at the feet of Apple. I get it, I've seen it many times around here.
Between my small business I had in the 2000's and my own purchases, I've bought easily close to 50 Apple computers, servers (yes, xserves and xserve raid), iPods, iPhones, and yes, even iPads. I've stood in line for software releases and for the first iPhone.. This is all to say, I like their products, I promote their products, but I just don't understand the blind servitude to a $2 Trillion company or believe they make their decisions on what is best for you or me. My 3 MacBook Pro keyboard replacements is just one recent reminder that they aren't perfect, even though some around here for years tried to tell me I was making up the keyboard failures because it never happened to them.
So, high end users / prospective users (Yes, more may be prospective who can't justify it because its not capable of what they need) make complaints, we need feature X, Y, Z. No one is saying you, Mr netflix in bed and web browsing on the couch user needs to ever see or be inconvenienced with higher end features. We ask for the option to have them.
We just say hey, to justify the cost of this machine, it has to do more. And then we get a crowd of angry people saying "does what I need, pound sand or buy surface or android, stop complaining".
I use my iPad Air Gen 4 for two things, and most days its on a charger because it doesn't fit into anything else I want to do... The occasional playing around in Procreate, and for running Foreflight. If it could run Logic, and properly access the 2TB of sound samples I have, i'd set it up on my keyboard...but no, it can't. If it could run FCPX, which I use but not very often... maybe I could take advantage of a touch UI to toss the LoopDeck controller. If it had better printing features, maybe I could use it for more business documents. If I could actually eject a drive without corrupting it, maybe I'd consider using an external drive and try working with files more. I did have the choice of the new M1-based iPads or the A14-based iPad Air.... and for me I spent less because I couldn't find anything I wanted to do with the new iPads extra hardware capabilities that Apple would actually allow.
Which brings me to another point that you will likely ignore: Yes, Apple is still selling iPads... but has it not occurred to you maybe some of what they are selling could have been higher revenue machines if they only adding some software features?
A Majority of people considering $2700 configurations of the iPad Pro are not buying them to watch Netflix in bed.
I get it, Tim Cook whispered sweet nothings in your ear and Craig with his magical hair told you you've got everything you are ever going to need or want. And you will defend those statements with your lives until the next announcement releases something you said you never wanted - and then it will become the most magical and amazing release you've ever seen and you will bow down and worship at the feet of Apple. I get it, I've seen it many times around here.
Between my small business I had in the 2000's and my own purchases, I've bought easily close to 50 Apple computers, servers (yes, xserves and xserve raid), iPods, iPhones, and yes, even iPads. I've stood in line for software releases and for the first iPhone.. This is all to say, I like their products, I promote their products, but I just don't understand the blind servitude to a $2 Trillion company or believe they make their decisions on what is best for you or me. My 3 MacBook Pro keyboard replacements is just one recent reminder that they aren't perfect, even though some around here for years tried to tell me I was making up the keyboard failures because it never happened to them.
So, high end users / prospective users (Yes, more may be prospective who can't justify it because its not capable of what they need) make complaints, we need feature X, Y, Z. No one is saying you, Mr netflix in bed and web browsing on the couch user needs to ever see or be inconvenienced with higher end features. We ask for the option to have them.
We just say hey, to justify the cost of this machine, it has to do more. And then we get a crowd of angry people saying "does what I need, pound sand or buy surface or android, stop complaining".
I use my iPad Air Gen 4 for two things, and most days its on a charger because it doesn't fit into anything else I want to do... The occasional playing around in Procreate, and for running Foreflight. If it could run Logic, and properly access the 2TB of sound samples I have, i'd set it up on my keyboard...but no, it can't. If it could run FCPX, which I use but not very often... maybe I could take advantage of a touch UI to toss the LoopDeck controller. If it had better printing features, maybe I could use it for more business documents. If I could actually eject a drive without corrupting it, maybe I'd consider using an external drive and try working with files more. I did have the choice of the new M1-based iPads or the A14-based iPad Air.... and for me I spent less because I couldn't find anything I wanted to do with the new iPads extra hardware capabilities that Apple would actually allow.
Which brings me to another point that you will likely ignore: Yes, Apple is still selling iPads... but has it not occurred to you maybe some of what they are selling could have been higher revenue machines if they only adding some software features?
iPad Pro is not Mac. What are you thinking? Why do you even ignore those people complaining about the limitations?
And your are not representing either. Stop protecting Apple's idiotic idea.
With only few pros? Then I have a lot of pros who disagree with you. You see, it's just ironic.