My 12.9” iPad Pro is just a tad big for my current use case. 11.0 would be a bit small. Anything over 13” would require a different use case profile. I am open to seeing one evolve but, right now, I can’t see how it would work successfully.
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Mark Gurman: Apple Exploring iPads With Larger Displays
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Actually, it is $2,748, and with AppleCare it is ~$2,900.
Never said they aren't selling, but still doesn't change the fact that the OS is the bottle neck for devices, doesn't even have to be the pro ones.
Are you going to ask your wife to hold it to be used hand-held? Because you definitely can't hold and use such a heavy device and use it at the same time.
One of two things is true: Most (or even a large enough percentage to make it worth addressing that market segment) iPad users (and/or potential users), agree with you, Apple knows this, but has refused to address this market for some unfathomable reason. Or, Apple’s frequent surveys and user testing say people like what they offer and want improvements on the margin without changing the fundamental character of the product.
I have my thoughts which it is.
The great idea of some MacRumors members, using a desktop OS in a touch-based device, has been/it’s being tried in the market, and it has resulted in a huge fiasco. And they still can’t figure out why Apple doesn’t do it. I could understand this debate in 2011, but today?
Yup, you must be right. Too bad all those people buying them do not understand they are wrong. You should go and tell them.
I agree with your overall point but one point of clarity: Mac revenue has been larger than iPad revenue for, I believe, at least the last 3 quarters. Unit shipments (number of the devices shipped) sees iPad as the larger number. However, profit may be bigger on Mac or iPad (I don't know the GP for each sector).
Mac saw something that I think is very unique(??) for a mature product, they saw increased sales in the quarter after the holiday quarter. 8.68 Billion for the holiday quarter, 9.1 Billion for the last quarter (Jan-March). iPad saw a .7 Billion drop (which is normal to see post holiday sales decrease). Hard to say if that's a trend or a unique occurrence given Covid variables.
I do not have a wife, and I am perfectly capable of using an iPad that size handheld for those things when I would need to do so, but like most of what I do on my iPad, I usually use it on my lap and or sitting on a surface.
It would be fun, but it would also cost about $8,000 like that Surface and they would sell about as many (almost none).
Yup. Hawaii 50 does that all the time and it makes me laugh.
They are quite close and you are correct that since Covid and the Apple Silicon Macintosh systems have been released, the Mac side is up. Overall for the last few years that has not been true.
I think it will be interesting to see as they add more Apple Silicon systems to their line up, there will be a replacement cycle and maybe a market share increase for the new machines.
Apple doesn't need to be willing to to anything of the sort. Apple is going to decide its offerings based on user adoption that produces positive market viability and positive general company performance.
Why would they risk two individual well performing lines (two lines that both show high customer/user favorability)?
If at one time in the future Apple sees converging the two will produce adoption of Mac users + iPad Users + Growth? They then may do it. At the moment it would be a reckless move to risk two separate lines and risk alienating sections of both sectors for an, at best, uncertain market viability.
It doesn't "prove" anything, the M1 is an A14X, it's literally the chip the next iPad was always gonna get no matter what, they just simply gave it a different name. I do agree that iPadOS 15 disappointed me, but it still doesn't make any sense putting macOS on the iPad.
Why? I have had Macs for 15+ years and iPhones since 3GS and one iPad. The ipad
Was iPad 3 and I’ll fire it up from time to time but just not for me. I can say this though never once have I reached for the screen on either of my laptops or desktops I have had over time to get rid of a pop up. That’s what the mouse and or trackpad is for
Because the poster lives in Realville and knows Apple has no plans for a touchscreen Mac in the foreseeable future. Why would anyone want a touchscreen Mac? To look at fingerprints all day. You have a mouse or trackpad to click on anything your heart desires.
Definitely yes and yes.
They are both close in revenue. iPad saw higher holiday Quarterly Year over Year growth than Mac (not by a big amount though). But that increase in the post holiday quarter sales for Mac is definitely interesting. M1 is a stark improvement but does that translate to something for existing Mac base or is it driving new Mac user buyers (of which I am one).
One other a bit off topic items I found interesting. PC/Mac sales in general and why Microsoft probably included Amazon(Android) apps in Windows 11. Microsoft can't like seeing what inexpensive Google Chrome Books are doing to its market share (Chrome Up, Apple up/down but growth at market perform rate, Microsoft share simply down). IMHO adoption away from Microsoft is good for Mac if the price points continue to come down just a bit.
2020 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
Windows. 87.5%. 81.7%. 78.9%. 76.7%
ChromeOS 3%. 10.0%. 11.5% 14.4%
MacOS. 8%. 7.6%. 8.4%. 7.7%
I just spec’d one out. Top of the line iPad Pro 12.9 with top everything you can get including AppleCare. It came to 2538.00 so where I live at its 10% tax so add another 253.80 for taxes and I’m almost at $2800 so it can be done.
Weren’t the first Surface demos basically restaurant tables?
Well yes. Different strokes for different folks. A bottleneck to you may not be one to someone else.
Would love a larger iPad. 17” would be my choice I reckon. Bigger would be cool! Such a great machine- definitely the future of computing
Trying to imagine one in a 4:3 ratio. If you think the 12.9 is like carrying a cookie sheet. Lol.
Apple may as well create a new category. The monitor. What a concept. It can double as an iPad swiveling it down on desktop like surface studio. The 24” iPad display. Attach a Mac mini with it.
Except it’s not just a display is it. It’s an iPad. Nothing says you have to carry it around with you. Once again, it depends what you want to do with it surely. Smaller iPads would still exist.