And yet now Apple is being lapped at their own game.
This MS PC looks fantastic. I LOVE how it can basically go into tablet mode.
Now that's freaking awesome.
Apple has been out designed.
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And yet now Apple is being lapped at their own game.
This MS PC looks fantastic. I LOVE how it can basically go into tablet mode.
Now that's freaking awesome.
Apple has been out designed.
Yeah, Thats why I get the "Expensive" argument. it's damn expensive.
But, it's not (at least imho) overpriced. For $3,000 it's the only (that I know of) all in one computer with that high a resolution display, that also features a full computer in it, active digitizer, 10 point capacitive touch screen. One fo the bigegst mistakes most people in this thread are doing is comparing it to standard touchscreens you might find on standard laptops. It is not and features a lot more tech in a lot larger size than just about anyone else currently has.
expensive yes. Overpriced? not really.
also Version 1.0 products also tend to be very expensive until the manufacturing costs can come down from increased volumes.
Launching in 2017 and
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SKylake. Where are all the CRAPPLE ARE RELEASING LAST YEARS PROCESSOR SO DATED MUH SPECS KABY LAKE whiners now?
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SKylake. Where are all the CRAPPLE ARE RELEASING LAST YEARS PROCESSOR SO DATED MUH SPECS KABY LAKE whiners now?
Does Microsoft have any equivalent of the now over-used video in which Jony Ive speaks unattainable words just for the sake of it describing, in a low vocal tone, an industrial process all with the soothing piano background?
I disagree, as much as I don't want to. The one thing I would not label either the Surface Book i7 or the Surface Studio as is 'elegant'. Sure, the Surface Studio display looks great. It's clean lines and uniform design are very Apple like, but then there's the godawful stand housing the real hardware, which is where the thought process and attention to detail ends.
As for the Surface book, don't even get me started on that hideous hinge. It's revolting.
Still, good effort from MS and impressive specs. As always though, it's rarely about the specs and more about the software. Still years away from the refinement of an Apple product IMO.
I concede that it needs to perform in the real world, no question. But this is unlike any other computer before.
It's like when the iPad first came out; people dismissed it as "just a big iPod Touch".
I'm very surprised at the level of thought Microsoft put into how people would use this thing. They're bundling apps to use it with, peripherals that are tightly integrated, and coated it in a nice big glob of ELEGANCE.
It is the most Apple device I've seen since Steve died. I'm serious, if I didn't know better I would've thought this came from Apple.
I want this thing to really be as awesome as it looks.
But I'll wait and see, because I've been disappointed with Microsoft just as much as with (recent) Apple.
Plus, it'll look good in your office.
can anyone photoshop the Apple logo on this? Just to trick our brain a little bit
not sure anyone is complainign about skylake... at least I hope not.
What I've seen more is, is the fact that Skylake has been out now for over a year (aug 2015), and Apple still aren't using them (yet, we'll see tomorrow), and not only that. They skipped over Broadwell almost completely. Most Apple computers are still selling today based on Haswell CPU microarchitecture which is (not including Kaby Lake) 2 generations old, and was released 3 years ago. Yet Apple is still charging, new, high end premium prices for hardware that is 3 years and 2 generations old.
If they go Skylake tomorrow, I for one won't fault them either as Skylake is still the Current production ready, mass available CPU's.
The problem is not 100% in the hardware, but the software. Windows 10 sucks! A total nightmare.
It could be, I haven't used it enough.
I think that the big news is that Microsoft realized that nowadays people use desktop computers in a much different way than before, and software will inevitable have to follow.
See every thread on the forums even tangentially related to MacBooks for a million "Apple are screwing us by not putting Kaby Lake in the rMBP", despite those 28w/45w processors not actually existing.
This thread is full of those posts
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...t-week-imac-and-display-not-ready-yet.2008550
No, it’s the fundamental reason why no-one would ever want to touch a Microsoft machine.
I like the Surface Studio, although not for me, but for $3k was expecting more than i5 and 8gb of ram.
I never thought I'd ever be impressed by the elegance and power of any windows hardware but this, this is something more than appealing. Apple you must and I can't stress enough, you must impress me tomorrow as I'm sure I'm not alone thinking like this.
God, you diehard Apple fanboys are ridiculous. Apple doesn't have a touchscreen because the trackpad works so well? Do you even believe in what you are saying? Apple doesn't have touchscreen because their OS is not designed for touch, where's Windows 10 works great with touch. And I have a Surface Book and this is the best laptop I've ever owned, even better than my Macbook Pro. I also have 3 other MacBook Pros in my house and my Surface Book is still miles better than Macbook Pro. Surface Book is the best implementation of "hybrid" because of detachable screen and the sheer high quality materials used. And a trackpad on Surface is just as good as Apple's.
I don't know, maybe because it had to be locked down 9 months ago to meet the ship date?
As a designer, I must say.... this is brilliant.
I would buy one today if it would run OS X.
I would buy one today if it would run OS X.
I don’t think the majority of users give a damn what processor is in the machine, as long as it works.
I’ve no idea of the name of the processor in the late 2014 5k SSD iMac I’m typing this on, but it boots in 15 seconds, launches Microsoft Word faster than I can say ‘Microsoft Word’ and is a fast as f*ck with Photoshop. My wife’s brand new 5k iMac isn’t quite as zippy because it has a fusion drive.
In the real world, does having the very latest processor matter to 90% of users ?
And yet now Apple is being lapped at their own game.
This MS PC looks fantastic. I LOVE how it can basically go into tablet mode.
Now that's freaking awesome.
Apple has been out designed.
That's what I am saying. MS realized that how people use computers has fundamentally shifted.
Wow if this actually works well this can be a game changer. Having a huge, high resolution screen to draw on will mean you will no longer have to buy that crappy expensive thick and heavy plastic Wacom Cintiq. Imagine working directly on the screen with a pressure sensitive pen in Photoshop, retouching, drawing or animating, etc... Currently there's no good way to do this.
It's expensive, but it pretty much contains a luxury Wacom Cintiq, which would cost half as much as the Surface Studio itself. That wheel thing though, won't be compatible with anything. Are pro apps like Photoshop or Flash really going to get updates any time soon to support this? I really doubt it.
Wait, SSD isn't standard? Well that sucks. You can have a fast CPU and lots of RAM but an SSD could make more difference than all of that combined.
I wonder if the iMac is getting any new features. So far it's an expensive desktop that's impossible to repair or upgrade, it would be nice if it could gain at least some Apple Pencil support or something. Drawing on the iPad is cool and all but let's face it, it's still just an iPad, you're not going to be doing serious work on it no matter how good the pencil is (and it is great actually, better than Wacom).
Now if only Microsoft released a version of Windows that didn't work like a 90s Flash website, that would be great. We're in an age where we've had Apple do pixel-level smooth scrolling, responsive, fool-proof gesture recognition, multiple desktops and exposé in a way that just works great for almost a decade, and Windows still makes me want to throw the computer out the Window every time I use it. The features are there, it's just the user experience, responsiveness and interface that has me absolutely baffled every time. Oh and that horrid Start menu that yanks you out of any full screen game at the press of a button. And the Alt key that yanks you out of any keyboard focus instantly. And how the menus are hidden by default. It's these small things that I just don't get, it would take no time to fix. It's these things that won me over with Apple, because it takes extra care to make a computer fun to use and not frustrating.
MS are getting there but it's like they're unaware of a handful of things when it comes to software, one of which is style, the other is intuitiveness. That's where Apple gets it right every time.
It's expensive, but it pretty much contains a luxury Wacom Cintiq, which would cost half as much as the Surface Studio itself. That wheel thing though, won't be compatible with anything. Are pro apps like Photoshop or Flash really going to get updates any time soon to support this? I really doubt it.
Wait, SSD isn't standard? Well that sucks. You can have a fast CPU and lots of RAM but an SSD could make more difference than all of that combined.
I wonder if the iMac is getting any new features. So far it's an expensive desktop that's impossible to repair or upgrade, it would be nice if it could gain at least some Apple Pencil support or something. Drawing on the iPad is cool and all but let's face it, it's still just an iPad, you're not going to be doing serious work on it no matter how good the pencil is (and it is great actually, better than Wacom).
Now if only Microsoft released a version of Windows that didn't work like a 90s Flash website, that would be great. We're in an age where we've had Apple do pixel-level smooth scrolling, responsive, fool-proof gesture recognition, multiple desktops and exposé in a way that just works great for almost a decade, and Windows still makes me want to throw the computer out the Window every time I use it. The features are there, it's just the user experience, responsiveness and interface that has me absolutely baffled every time. Oh and that horrid Start menu that yanks you out of any full screen game at the press of a button. And the Alt key that yanks you out of any keyboard focus instantly. And how the menus are hidden by default. It's these small things that I just don't get, it would take no time to fix. It's these things that won me over with Apple, because it takes extra care to make a computer fun to use and not frustrating.
MS are getting there but it's like they're unaware of a handful of things when it comes to software, one of which is style, the other is intuitiveness. That's where Apple gets it right every time.
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That's probably because they don't want to compete with their OEMs in the other markets.
Well, there is no accounting for taste. That hinge that you hate so much not only services a practical purpose, it is actually being copied by others...