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Imagine if you did comparison of your own product and a competitors, and your own product lost :rolleyes:
 
I’m sure this will be an unpopular opinion here, but yes I would choose the surface pro IF I were looking for a single device solution. iPad is a better tablet by far, but even now, it’s a poor substitute for a computer with a desktop OS.
You’re not wrong.



Hmmm. Seems like the iPad is a computer after all. As far as a full operating system, I've got the full one loaded on my iPad. No partial iPadOS here.
The point still stands. The iPad is as much a computer as the iPhone is. The PC/Mac is in a different category.
 
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I went through this a year ago and wanted a primary device that does everything I want it to do, runs all my software new and old and has full features. I therefore bought a Surface Pro 7.

What I can tell you is I have an iPad Air 4 too.

My Surface is connected to an external screen, this is a better experience. I hardly use touch on it. Battery life is not brilliant, I use a Citrix session for work that hammers the battery (about 2.5 hours use time). It has a micro-SD card in it which is useful. it really is my primary device.

iPad is used for movies, entertainment, casual working, things that need longer battery life. Zoom and Skype. The Pro I would have wanted would have cost more than the Surface I got (i5) with a keyboard so I waited for the Air.

The simple thing is that you can turn this discussion any way you like but you have to choose what works for you. I am no fanboi either way, I just choose tech that fits my need (and to an extent, my budget).
 
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Hmm. I agree with most of what has been said here. I do also agree with most of the points the ad makes (although you could make an ad with the iPad Pro ripping the pros of the Surface apart with some of its highlights just as well). I do very much miss more ports and a way to have the iPad stand upright (e.g. for FaceTime) without a bulky case. And yes, if they would come up with a way to attach a keyboard to the iPad without making it nearly double the weight (at least in the case of the Magic Keyboard), I would greatly appreciate it.
 
I never understand why Microsoft keeps trying to claim they have a good tablet experience. They don't. So being a tablet wise, there's no argument, unless you're trying to intentionally mislead people.

And using your base i3 with 4GB RAM? Windows experience of that won't even be that good. Nowadays, for Windows, 8GB should be minimum, with 16GB being recommended.

Microsoft should've picked a higher end model, and don't use price as the competing factor.
 
They're right too. I'd go even further and say the Surface Go is a far better device than the iPad Pro simply by virtue of having a desktop OS rather than a toy OS so if you only buy one device, the Surface is a much better choice.
Except for gaming. If you try to run any game at all on the Surface Pro, the device will immediately become hotter than the sun even if it's a device with a fan (which will make a sound like an industrial strength vacuum cleaner in its futile attempt to cool the processor). Unlike an M1 Mac which will happily run Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign on one screen and Tomb Raider on another and won't even get warm to the touch.
There may be more games available on the Surface, but you can't run them without the machine getting unacceptably hot.
The base Surface Go uses eMMC storage. Yeah I don't even want to recommend that to my enemies... :D
 
They are not wrong, Surface is a full computer.

The current iPad is in a limbo, its not a full computer and its not an iPad with that huge screen and price tag. Its a Frankenstein monster that fits the wants of a very narrow segment in the market, someone who wants something that does more than an iPhone but less than a MacBook.
 
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They are not wrong, Surface is a full computer.

The current iPad is in a limbo, its not a full computer and its not an iPad with that huge screen and price tag. Its a Frankenstein monster that fits the wants of a very narrow segment in the market, someone who wants something that does more than an iPhone but less than a MacBook.
Yea it's in limbo, if you are right why do 20 million people buy one every quarter,
You are wrong
 
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Oh please! And people here call Tim Cook "Tim Crook" and call Apple "Crapple" and you're annoyed the fact that I have lost respect for Microsoft? Hmmm. Don't forget MS has been constantly putting out ads for the past 5 years straight trashing Apple's Macs and now the iPad. And you call my post harsh? WOW. That's a lot of MS defending. 🙄
Are your feelings hurt? Your way to emotionally invested in a company that wants your money. Nothing else. Lol
 
Dude just stop. Your post is foolish. Those Mac vs. PC ads ended well over 10 years ago. So funny how MS defenders love to bring up the Mac vs. PC ads. There's no other defense but to bring up irrelevant ads from over 10 years ago. SMH. 🙄

Going back that far to the pilot just to give Palm and M$ some credit they don't deserve just shows that you're defending M$ and that's pretty pathetic.
Also your memory isn't too good. Maybe you forgot about Apple's Newton Message Pad. That came out many years before the Palm Pilot or the Pocket PC, so your argument is 100% FAIL.
Yep. Definitely hurt feelings.
 
It struggles with almost everything, I turned on facial recognition, works half the time, or can't find the camera...erm what, pinch to zoom is laggy and trying to set it to a certain zoom level is nearly impossible for instance using PDF files.
Yeah I have had none of those problems. Facial ID is perfect almost all the time and I pinch to zoom and don't have any lag unless it's a huge pdf file which in that case it will lag on anyyhing
 
Sounds like an iPadOS update to align its abilities to Finder. What is Microsoft going to do ditch Intel and go AMD on the Surface or better yet ARM. One sound like an OS update the other sounds like a pray to be answered.

Well one stops Workflows entirely and one is just a slow intel computer. Those in the know will buy what they need.

The iPad turns 11 and that update has not landed.
 
I'm going to guess they didn't talk about how the Surface battery starts to bulge after 1 year...
You mean like my MBP, which has already had the batteries and top shell replaced once under a recall? Apple refuses to replace it again, even though the swelling reoccurred in the "fixed" batteries, making the touchpad useless & creating a fire hazard, again.
 
the surface is basically a mediocre laptop that can be used as a tablet but as a tablet it’s pretty awful.

the iPad Pro is a great tablet with currently mediocre laptop functionality but with a lot of growth potential in that regard. iPadOS wont become full MacOS but I think it’ll shift closer and closer with each upgrade. And more and more desktop class software will become available.

I think the iPad Pro has one of the most interesting growth potential out there still. Not the iPhone, and not even the Mac despite the M1 revolution but the iPad (pro)
The Surface works great as a laptop. The Surface Book is an amazing laptop with a detachable screen. I haven't used the Surface Laptop but a lot of people love it plus I can now upgrade the SSD. As for the Surface Pro. I used it for years as both a laptop and tablet replacement and it works great. Hell I even turned it into a desktop replacement with the Surface dock at the desk. Also Apple should be ashamed of what the imac is now after the Surface Studio came out. An ipad could never replace a laptop for me. The first thing is it can't even play a game like World of Warcraft. It doesn't have an SD card slot and no usb so I can hook up detachable HDDs. The mouse support is like really basic and there is a whole lot more....
 
I'm a iPad lover, have the iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro, but we do have a Surface Pro 7 in the office.

I think if you're a student or a business user and could only go for one the Surface would be the choice, as it can run almost everything. It's just held back by Windows and poor tablet support.

iPad is by far the best tablet experience, but even with the latest iOS and Magic keyboard still lacks simple things. Plus boy is it heavy with the Magic Keyboard!
 
Having used both devices I would have to agree the Surface is the better product.
 
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The i5 does have active cooling using a fan for the GPU.


No, not true. The i3/i5 is fanless.
 
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The Surface Pro 7 really is the better hardware, but if you’re partial to which OS you use, that’s a different story. Apple will never fully combine the features of a notebook with a tablet. Why would they when they can sell everyone 2 devices instead of 1?
I am not really sure about that, we are offered top of the line surface pro laptops at work, they are much slower than my iPad Pro, the battery after some time dies within a couple of hours, they hang & crash constantly and they sometimes die completely requiring replacements, my close to 3 year old iPad Pro has none of that. I use it pretty much exclusively at work. I think Apple sells reliable systems that just work, no fuss, no tech support no wasted hours at the office waiting for you PC to be fixed.
 
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