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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before

jmoore5196 said:
Neo-switchers deserve what they get. Anyone who thinks MS offers long-term solutions for productivity-minded creatives is deluding themselves. Windows is still ... Windows.
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Yes. It is the platform that is used by 90% of all computer users, and it is the platform that actually supports ALL of Adobe's software products, not just a selection. I guess Microsoft is doing something right with Windows.
 
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NZP said:
For me any box that is slave to MS OSs is never an option. I'll patiently wait for Apple to build a real MBP again.
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This is why Apple doing things wrong these days. because of blind loyal customers who are willing to buy anything with a specific logo on it just to prove a point or to tease the others. Nokia fans did this and look what happened.
Be open minded buddy both of these companies want your MONEY they dont give a *** about you. so be loyal to yourself only.
 
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But Apple just isn't taking risks now, except for the risk of continually raising prices of stagnant technology.

Microsoft's hybrid devices are still rough, but at least they're trying. I do like my SP4 and the XPS 13 we have. heck, I even recently played with the Lumia 950xl and, while that's goofy as all Hell, I can see where they're headed. I know a lot of users who can satisfy 100% of their compute needs with a phablet than can be plugged into a KB and monitor. Not everyone, but enough users to eventually make a market. And again, Microsoft is taking chances.... they're actually innovating!

The chances Apple's been taking lately are somewhat trivial, yet sometimes bothersome. My iPhone 7's lighting port headphone is a real PITA, for example. Seems I need to unplug my headset and plug it back in on about half my phone calls. It's a hassle. But eliminating ports is about all the innovation we see from Apple nowadays.

And what's with the premium they charge for everything? My kids recently broke the remote on one of our new ATVs, and it costs ~$80 for a replacement remote. That's $80 for a remote control! Screw that. I spent about the same amount and got two Roku sticks and an Fire TV stick ($29ea black Friday sale). These things are every bit as good as the ATVs. Heck, I actually prefer them and my family can barely tell the difference. Still kicking the tires to see if we go Roku or FTV, but I'm never buying another ATV again.

Apple now only innovates in two areas: a race to thinness, and the elimination of ports. Frankly, I wish they'd stop both of those efforts and work on something that actually helps instead of hurts the user experience.
 
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Poppysdad1 said:
Not Really. I've been using Macs for 20 years so have a pretty good base reference. I have been using the new MBP everyday, all day, for the last couple of weeks. For me its a great machine and is a pleasure to use.
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A couple of weeks.

Like I said, let's see how buzzed you are about it after the 'newness' wears off.
 
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kyleh22 said:
Not only am I enjoying MS hardware more then Apple hardware, I'm also enjoying MS software more. OSx just isn't that impressive anymore. I switched from an Air to a Surface Pro 4 and I haven't looked back.
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You and an increasing amount of users. The visible change began over a year ago, but now I see more PC notebooks and Microsoft Surface devices on the train than Apple products -- and that picture definitely looked entirely different two years ago. At least here in Germany, the Apple hype has come to a rather visible end.
 
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I7guy said:
How do you define "pro" user?
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They used to cater the creative professional. Now all the IT guys such as yourself have started to take offense for whatever reason because they too are professionals, just not the original demographic originally targeted. You aren't the first one I've seen ask this question.
 
Usual Microsoft Marketing FUD.
Where are the numbers, and if they can provide any, how was it calculated?

Lol ,they are even listed under FUD regarding Marketing in Wikipedia:

Software producers
Microsoft
From the 1990s onward the term became most often associated with software industry giant Microsoft. Roger Irwin said:

Microsoft soon picked up the art of FUD from IBM, and throughout the '80s used FUD as a primary marketing tool, much as IBM had in the previous decade. They ended up out FUD-ding IBM themselves during the OS/2 vs Win3.1 years.
 
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I've been a long time Apple fan, however, I'm starting to lose faith in them.

I didn't mind spending $2000 CDN for my MacBook Pro back in 2007, because at the time it was a great machine which I felt was well worth the price.

I've been considering a new computer purchase recently and of course, I looked at the Apple lineup first. They're becoming FAR overpriced and as others mention, are lacking many features, power and battery performance that one would expect from a Pro model computer. They just seem to be fixated on designing them thinner and thinner rather than adding value and functionality, and I won't stand beside them if they continue down this path.
 
robeddie said:
A couple of weeks.

Like I said, let's see how buzzed you are about it after the 'newness' wears off.
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You seem to be missing the point that as a very long time Mac user and a professional designer I know what I need the machine to do and it does it for me very well. That isn't going to suddenly change in 6 months time.
 
BornAgainMac said:
Microsoft should release a Surface Pro Desktop. A Mac Pro replacement with up to 22 cores.
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Why though? The whole point of the surface is that it has pen and touch input. If anything, I'd rather see a standalone surface monitor that you can hook up to a dedicated workstation. It would be every wacom owner's dream. They're finally getting some competition from microsoft.

But yeah, I really expected Apple to be the first to drive the whole touch screen experience. It seems like every day I'm finding less of a reason to remain an apple customer. There's no point in claiming to live by the slogan "think different" when they're taking on an unusually conservative approach. I guess to apple different means making things thinner every couple of years.
 
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For those of you that are really on the fence if whether or not to switch from Apple to Microsoft, I implore you to go to your local Best Buy or Microsoft Store and spend some time with their products. I have yet to demo one of their units that actually worked as well as they advertise (Surface Studio included).

This coming from a prior Surface RT, Surface Pro, Surface 3 owner - none of which I still own...

BTW, looks like the new "iMac killer" suffers from the dreaded N-Trig issues stemming from as far back as 2012:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...to-upper/26979334-e542-4ce3-9a55-2474283fe313
 
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Microsoft has announced November was its best month ever for consumer Surface sales. In a blog post, the company said more people are switching from Macs to Surface devices than ever before following the "disappointment" of the new MacBook Pro, particularly among professional users.

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Shortly after the new MacBook Pro launched, Microsoft launched a promotion offering MacBook Pro and MacBook Air owners up to $650 credit towards a new Surface Book or Surface Pro 4. Microsoft also unveiled the Surface Studio in October, and the all-in-one desktop has been met with positive reviews.

Microsoft's Surface Book starts at $1,499, the same price as Apple's new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys. Touch Bar-equipped models start at $1,799 for 13-inch models and $2,399 for 15-inch models.

Article Link: Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
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fortuneteller33 said:
For those of you that are really on the fence if whether or not to switch from Apple to Microsoft, I implore you to go to your local Best Buy or Microsoft Store and spend some time with their products. I have yet to demo one of their units that actually worked as well as they advertise (Surface Studio included).

This coming from a prior Surface RT, Surface Pro, Surface 3 owner - none of which I still own...

BTW, looks like the new "iMac killer" suffers from the dreaded N-Trig issues stemming from as far back as 2012:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...to-upper/26979334-e542-4ce3-9a55-2474283fe313
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You've tested a Surface Studio? Can I hop in your time machine pls.
 
meaning-matters said:
Great products: 2015 MBP design, iPhone SE, iPads without camera bumps, ... Hey these are all Steve Jobs era products. Could there be a link?
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I think its that aging design team that hasn't changed much in 20 years.

How can you expect these guys to innovate without some new blood.
 
I've got a 15" 2016 MBP and it's one of the best computers I've ever used. Touch ID is immensely useful, the Touch Bar is pretty good. A few new cables and having only Thunderbolt 3 ports is a non-issue. Aside from the price, this machine totally kicks ass. And, the HUGE trackpad is a BETTER choice than a touch screen. The ergonomics of using a vertical touchscreen are awful. Not regretting my purchase in the least. Oh...one more thing, MacOS is still way better than windows, even Windows 10 imho.
 
Bottom line for me is that I think the designers at Apple live in such a cloistered corporate world that they have a hard time understanding what customers need. For instance, the fetish with thinness makes sense if you're mountain climbing with a laptop, but for us mere mortals I want a reasonable price for a machine that's bullet-proof, powerful, configurable, and has a long battery life. If Apple can't or won't design such a machine with the resources they have available, then something is wrong in the way the company is being run.
 
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What a surprise that MS would say something like that. Yawn. Thank you, I'm quite content with my Air and don't need "pro" power. I do find it troubling that Apple seems to have lost their way (again!) though. It seems pretty apparent that Apple under Cook is cruising on the remains of the legacy left by Jobs, and the cracks are showing. Thankfully, MacOS hasn't been completely buggered up yet - that's the difference for me, much less so the hardware, pretty though it may be. I recently retired from a career of IT support. When I started out, I was an Apple hater and a Windows fanboy. After many years of having to support them both I've come to the opposite conclusion. Windows (though it's been getting slowly better over the years (despite several serious WTF? versions) is a PITA. I don't see why I should have to rebuild my transmission every month to be able to drive my car - same with computer tech. Apple, MS, whoever - Just make the damn thing work right. Bottom line - a computer is a tool. Use what works best for you.
 
I tried the new MBP this week. It's a nice machine.

But. If Apple doesn't want to hear the pro crowd bitching about the company's new products, then Apple should do more research about what pros want and deliver that.

It's not just about what the company wants to do, it is also about what pros need.

More memory. More ports. Upgrade flexibility. Much greater battery life than is currently being offered. More graphics choices.

If Apple doesn't want to deliver that, fine. But there will be bitching lol.
 
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