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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
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I have to say, while not necessarily a SBP, if I was in the market now for a new laptop I would probably get a windows based machine instead of an Apple machine.
To me, my rMBP 2013 was a good machine which balances power, feature, battery life.
Now though, Apple have ruined that balance and especially at the price they are asking.
To me, my rMBP 2013 was a good machine which balances power, feature, battery life.
Now though, Apple have ruined that balance and especially at the price they are asking.
If they are having problems weekly, yes, I am going to blame the user. I have been running 10 for close a year now and outside of a HDD issue, no problems at all, same with others here. And this was also an upgrade from 7.Yup! Blame the user. Taking a page from Apple
I have three windows machines I've ran W10 on since beta and never had to clean install to "keep things fresh."
I still prefer OSX but FUD doesn't help anyone.
That might be true if it weren't so clear that Tim is TRYING to turn Apple into a Blackberry-type, one trick pony. And we know what happened there.
Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
Let's analyze what this statement really means. Obviously it doesn't mean ARM-based Surfaces with Windows RT as Microsoft stopped making those. Everyone who bought one of these has been stuck in a serious dead end.
Surface: October 26, 2012
Surface 2: October 22, 2013
Surface 3: May 5, 2015 (Atom SoC)
The first few versions of the Surface Pro have been junk, so no wonder they sell more of the later ones. Albeit there hasn't been a new Surface Pro 5 in 2016. Kinda feels neglected?
Surface Pro: February 9, 2013
Surface Pro 2: October 22, 2013
Surface Pro 3: June 20, 2014
Surface Pro 4: October 26, 2015
Instead they've broadened the brand to a lot of other form factors of which only the Surface Book falls under the category 2-in-1 hybrids between laptop and tablet.
Surface Book: October 26, 2015
Surface Book i7: October 26, 2016
Surface Hub: July 1, 2015
Surface Studio: October 26, 2016
With so much more stuff for sale, it can be expected to attract more customers and with them more switchers — no matter if there is disappointment of the new MacBook Pro or not. If anything I'd say, Microsoft has almost abandoned the original Surface/Surface Pro idea and goes into a new direction with the Surface Book which is more seriously a traditional laptop.
Let's analyze what this statement really means. Obviously it doesn't mean ARM-based Surfaces with Windows RT as Microsoft stopped making those. Everyone who bought one of these has been stuck in a serious dead end.
Surface: October 26, 2012
Surface 2: October 22, 2013
Surface 3: May 5, 2015 (Atom SoC)
The first few versions of the Surface Pro have been junk, so no wonder they sell more of the later ones. Albeit there hasn't been a new Surface Pro 5 in 2016. Kinda feels neglected?
Surface Pro: February 9, 2013
Surface Pro 2: October 22, 2013
Surface Pro 3: June 20, 2014
Surface Pro 4: October 26, 2015
Instead they've broadened the brand to a lot of other form factors of which only the Surface Book falls under the category 2-in-1 hybrids between laptop and tablet.
Surface Book: October 26, 2015
Surface Book i7: October 26, 2016
Surface Hub: July 1, 2015
Surface Studio: October 26, 2016
With so much more stuff for sale, it can be expected to attract more customers and with them more switchers — no matter if there is disappointment of the new MacBook Pro or not. If anything I'd say, Microsoft has almost abandoned the original Surface/Surface Pro idea and goes into a new direction with the Surface Book which is more seriously a traditional laptop.
While there are still elements that could use more polish and a couple of legacy throwbacks, it's a very nice, slick operating system. Totally unlike Windows of old and light years better than 8.
With Mac OS slowly becoming more buggy and stagnant, the gap is tighter than ever before.
Or maybe I am just using parts of the system, that you are not?
Sure, for surfing the net, word documents and with a decent anti-virus you will be mostly fine.
Win 10 is a great update, and they finally added virtual desktops(huge + for me) but the underlying foundation still has it's cracks. Mac OS just has fewer cracks. Along with no added installation required for dev work, and overall more stable.
I think this is spot on. For someone that can easily afford it, buying a fully spec'd MBP is a no brainer. The new hardware will sell. But the Pro user that relies on this hardware for their digital workflow, is getting the short end of the stick, or maybe they will just switch.
Me personally, if I could easily afford it, I would still be reluctant to upgrade to 2016. Too much is missing.
My friend has a 2015 13" rMBP and one of the TB ports got tweaked, probably from yanking on the cord by accident with a drive plugged in. That port is now inop but he has 1 TB port, and 2 USB ports to go. If the same thing happened on a 2016 model, he would be 1 port away from no longer being able to charge, bricking his rather expensive computer. Magsafe made charging effortless, was super reliable and pretty much bulletproof. Out of all the things to gank, Magsafe was a bad move to loose.
I am sure Apple gathered all sorts of diagnostic data and saw not too many people using the SD card reader, and mostly using only 1 TB or USB port at a time. BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO CHARGE.
Switching to non-Apple hardware doesn't mean you have to give up MacOS if that's your thing. You can optionally multi-boot Windows for pro engineering tools and gaming and Linux that powers the internet.
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Likely the usual tenuous similarity to the truth common with marketing.
But at minimum they smell blood in the water.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate your post. But the thing is, I would still have to buy those USB-C cables you are talking about. And if I were in the market for a laptop, this USB-C only thing is a big deal to me. In fact, it's one of the reasons I bought a 2015 MBP AFTER the 2016 models came out.
The reviews say the Studio is garbage, just like everyone who's seen this all before predicted.
All of this is moot... once a user tries Windows for 15 mins, they'll immediately regret their purchase.
This article seems true to me; I bought a new computer this weekend and Microsoft almost got me after 15 years of Apple-only ownership.
It was time to replace my beaten-to-a-pulp 2013 13" Macbook Air. I had been waiting for the new Macbook Pros to come out, and expected to buy one. But as I investigated the new machines, it caused me to open the search for a new laptop to even... gasp...Windows 10 machines.
Though the slimmer size and improved screens were great, the new Macbook Pros were not what I had hoped. The Touch Bar is currently an emoji selector, and I have never used an emoji. The old MagSafe has saved my laptops many times over the course of ownership of various Apple machines. The USB-C ports mean I would be prepared for the future a couple years from now, but I need a machine that fits my needs and peripherals now. I actually use the SD slot several times a week and appreciated its built-in convenience. The big trackpad seemed unnecessary -- as if it and the touchbar (tm) were supposed to make up for the lack of a touchSCREEN. I can hear Sir Jonny Ive saying "See, it's BETTER than a touch screen! Only Apple can give you a touch pad!" The real killer for me was the keyboard. I pound on the keys every day. I did not like the short travel of the new MB keys, and feared a repetitive stress injury. On top of that, there was the price. I would be willing to pay a premium price for the right laptop, but the new Macbook Pro was not that laptop.
So what to buy? I threw the doors wide open. I haven't looked at PCs in a long time. I was surprised at how far they had come. The first one that caught my eye was the Lenovo Yoga 910. It was a near-Apple build, had a touch screen and could fold back into a tablet -- useful for reading long documents and reports. Plus, I've always had a fetish for working in portrait orientation. Add a bluetooth keyboard and I had my portrait machine. But there was something decidedly "consumer" about the Lenovo and even the HP Spectre. I then checked out the MS Surface Book Pro and Surface 4. These were the most intruding of the PC Machines. The Surface Book had good build quality and the innovation (or vulnerability?) of a detachable screen with incredible resolution. The only thing I didn't like was that the screen wobbled a bit on the hinge. I'm guessing they'll fix that and the gap in the hinge next iteration. Then I turned my attention to the Surface 4. I could go portrait on that with an external keyboard -- perhaps Lenovo's bluetooth keyboard with TrackPoint (which I've always loved). I wish the Surface 4's screen were an inch bigger; it was too small for daily use. I was thinking Apple should copy the Surface 4 and make a MacPad Pro that runs OSX. Apple has really neglected their core product; the PC world has innovated and left Apple to mark time as they devote their energy to iPhone.
So after all the handwringing what did I buy? A 2015 13" Macbook Pro with 256GB SSD on sale from Best Buy for $1299. That generation is tried and true, has my favorite ports and SD slot, MagSafe, the keyboard I'd grown to love, and a Retina display. I have the laptop I need now, and I can wait for Apple to get their MBP lineup right. Plus Best buy gave me $200 for my beat up Macbook Air, complete with "Apple bruising" on the screen; I would not in good conscious sell this machine to an individual because it is so well used that I doubted its future reliability.
I stuck with Apple (this time) because of the intangibles you don't see on display at the big box store -- the operating system, the battery life, and the proven build quality of the 2015 models. And I wouldn't have to adapt to Windows.
But next time, I'm betting Microsoft will have an improved OS and even better machines. They just might get me.
It was time to replace my beaten-to-a-pulp 2013 13" Macbook Air. I had been waiting for the new Macbook Pros to come out, and expected to buy one. But as I investigated the new machines, it caused me to open the search for a new laptop to even... gasp...Windows 10 machines.
Though the slimmer size and improved screens were great, the new Macbook Pros were not what I had hoped. The Touch Bar is currently an emoji selector, and I have never used an emoji. The old MagSafe has saved my laptops many times over the course of ownership of various Apple machines. The USB-C ports mean I would be prepared for the future a couple years from now, but I need a machine that fits my needs and peripherals now. I actually use the SD slot several times a week and appreciated its built-in convenience. The big trackpad seemed unnecessary -- as if it and the touchbar (tm) were supposed to make up for the lack of a touchSCREEN. I can hear Sir Jonny Ive saying "See, it's BETTER than a touch screen! Only Apple can give you a touch pad!" The real killer for me was the keyboard. I pound on the keys every day. I did not like the short travel of the new MB keys, and feared a repetitive stress injury. On top of that, there was the price. I would be willing to pay a premium price for the right laptop, but the new Macbook Pro was not that laptop.
So what to buy? I threw the doors wide open. I haven't looked at PCs in a long time. I was surprised at how far they had come. The first one that caught my eye was the Lenovo Yoga 910. It was a near-Apple build, had a touch screen and could fold back into a tablet -- useful for reading long documents and reports. Plus, I've always had a fetish for working in portrait orientation. Add a bluetooth keyboard and I had my portrait machine. But there was something decidedly "consumer" about the Lenovo and even the HP Spectre. I then checked out the MS Surface Book Pro and Surface 4. These were the most intruding of the PC Machines. The Surface Book had good build quality and the innovation (or vulnerability?) of a detachable screen with incredible resolution. The only thing I didn't like was that the screen wobbled a bit on the hinge. I'm guessing they'll fix that and the gap in the hinge next iteration. Then I turned my attention to the Surface 4. I could go portrait on that with an external keyboard -- perhaps Lenovo's bluetooth keyboard with TrackPoint (which I've always loved). I wish the Surface 4's screen were an inch bigger; it was too small for daily use. I was thinking Apple should copy the Surface 4 and make a MacPad Pro that runs OSX. Apple has really neglected their core product; the PC world has innovated and left Apple to mark time as they devote their energy to iPhone.
So after all the handwringing what did I buy? A 2015 13" Macbook Pro with 256GB SSD on sale from Best Buy for $1299. That generation is tried and true, has my favorite ports and SD slot, MagSafe, the keyboard I'd grown to love, and a Retina display. I have the laptop I need now, and I can wait for Apple to get their MBP lineup right. Plus Best buy gave me $200 for my beat up Macbook Air, complete with "Apple bruising" on the screen; I would not in good conscious sell this machine to an individual because it is so well used that I doubted its future reliability.
I stuck with Apple (this time) because of the intangibles you don't see on display at the big box store -- the operating system, the battery life, and the proven build quality of the 2015 models. And I wouldn't have to adapt to Windows.
But next time, I'm betting Microsoft will have an improved OS and even better machines. They just might get me.
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One thing that could change a lot of minds on this board would be a real leap in the next version software, MacOS. A large UI change and some really innovative stuff that really leaps past Windows 10, which is not bad..... One can only hope.
It's amusing to see the Mac zealots in denial. I love my 2015 MacBook Pro, but I love my Surface Pro and Surface Book equally. Windows 10 is just as useable and stable as MacOS. No way in hell I would buy the new MacBook Pro though. That bar is a usability nightmare. At least with touch screens, one doesn't have to take their eye off the display. That contextual emoji bar you have to look away and find what you want to press it. I occasionally get caught touching the display on my MacBook. Once you use it awhile, touchscreen does work well. Of course the majority of interaction will be trackpad/keyboard. However, there are many times I don't want to have to move my cursor from one end of the screen to the other and a touchscreen is faster. The only compelling feature on the new MacBook Pro is touchID.
Aside from not needing dongles and adapters to plug your stuff in and making sure you don't need to buy that thousand dollar art tablet?