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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before

I don't want to spend the high prices Microsoft commands. Spending $500-$1000 more is not what I want to do. I will stick with the MAC.

The new Microsoft iMac is crazy expensive. I will save my money and buy Apple.
 
PhoneI said:
Yeah, because everything Steve Jobs did was perfect. Like....

- the cube
- ping
- releasing an iPhone that lost its signal when you held it
- Apple 3
- The Lisa
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When did I say or imply that Steve Jobs was perfect? All I said was that I think he helped keep Jony in check.
 
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deputy_doofy said:
This. Even if the latest MBP is not what people were hoping for, do people suddenly believe shiny, new computers from Microsoft makes Windows good?

I have Windows 10 on two machines – VirtualBox and a ThinkPad. Yes, it's nice. And yes, it's still Windows. Still wacky driver issues, profile corruptions, registry ****-ups, and malware from simply clicking the wrong link, despite the anti-malware of your choice running behind-the-scenes. I'm still doing endless work on people W10 boxes to clean them up and I'm still thankful the problems are as present as ever (makes for some nice extra cash during the holidays).

It's true that I wouldn't buy this round of the MBP, but the next one at the very least, after the tweaks they make from feedback. I'll buy a Windows box never. The ThinkPad was free, so :p
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Are you sure you've used Windows 10? Your arguments seem like they're from the 90s. People aren't just randomly getting registry errors these days...
 
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Oh, and to all those unsure what a Pro user is:

From Wiki "A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity."

So, earning a living from your Mac? Cant do your job without one? Professional user.
 
Tim needs to go. In fact, I'd say a lot of the people in the upper ranks need to go. Removing more and more functions while offering diminishing returns over previous products is getting very, very old. It seems all Apple wants to do is make a single digital device as thin as a plate of glass. They just don't care about anything else. The Mac Pro has become laughable. I don't understand why they can't make their thin glass products AND make professional computers. They're a HUGE company. Why can't they start a "Pro" division within Apple??? Why can't they appeal to their broad consumer base AND make professional machines? Sony manages to revolutionize the camera sensor market while producing a billion other products, and they do extremely well with most of their products. Apple is so afraid that they'll turn into a bloated 90's Microsoft that they're now cutting their Airport Base Station product. While Google and Amazon expand into the home, Apple retreats from it. I am confused as to where this company is going other than continuously pursuing thinner and thinner phones. What is sad is that their professional user base isn't asking that much of them. They just want a pro laptop and a pro desktop, both with reasonable specs. That's it. Why is that so HARD????

I think Apple is severely underestimating how important the pro market is. It is the market of artists, musicians, designers, filmmakers, engineers, etc. It may not be a demographic that brings in large profits, but is certainly the demographic that made Apple cool. It's what led people to give them a chance. If they lose that demographic, I think the bottom will fall out. It may take some time, but if Apple really cares about aesthetics and design, then what will happen once all the designers stop caring about Apple?? Trends are set by the very demographic Apple is ignoring and if they're not careful, the next trend will be "Apple sucks".
 
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Derpage said:
They used to cater the creative professional. Now all the IT guys such as yourself have started to take offense for whatever reason because they too are professionals, just not the original demographic originally targeted. You aren't the first one I've seen ask this question.
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Is there somehow an "elite group" of
"Pro" users who think they are "better" than other pro users?
 
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As much as I hate the new MacBook Pro I love Mac OS. I use continuity and icloud among all my devices. At the moment a PC would be too big of a disruption. Luckily I have 2015 MBP so I have quite a few years left with that machine. If I was a professional designer I would consider a surface studio for work and work only. I'd still have to have a Mac though.
 
Michael Goff said:
Are you sure you've used Windows 10? Your arguments seem like they're from the 90s. People aren't just randomly getting registry errors these days...
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Are you sure *you're* using Windows 10? While registry corruptions are rare, malware, profile corruptions, and driver issues are as rampant as they've always been. I work on these machines regularly still.

If people defending Windows arguments don't want decades-old descriptions of problems, perhaps it's time for Microsoft to remove decades-old legacy code. Legacy should be in a virtualized environment. As of now, Windows is a mess of legacy, core (for lack of a better term), and metro, all stapled together.
 
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az431 said:
If a marketing person at Microsoft says it, then it MUST be true.

Then again more people could be switching to the Microsoft Surface because until a few years ago it didn't exist, the lineup is now broader, and early versions were duds.
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The same thing about Apple could of been done too, Tim Jobs for the win...yuck!
 
oneMadRssn said:
Sorry, as the topic of the article was Macbook Pros, and the OP talked about Pro computers having a certain battery life, I thought it was understood that I was asking about a laptops.

The current iMac is also currently expandable to 32GB and 64GB of RAM.
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I'm not trying to split hairs here, but even with the assumption that it's understood that you were asking about laptops, the wording used was "surface product" as in "Which Microsoft Surface product has 32 or 64 GB RAM".

If you're assuming there's an understanding that we're discussing laptops, why use the word "product"? To me, there could be a conversational assumption that we're talking about laptops but when you throw in the word "product", that specifically broadens the discussion beyond laptops. Obviously saying "Which Microsoft Surface laptop has...." would have been the best, but even just saying "Which Microsoft Surface has..." would have been more narrow than asking about which of the Surface products has 32 or 64 GB RAM.

Honestly, that's why I questioned whether you were trying to be funny or whether it was a legit question (but gave a legit answer either way).
 
Doug0915 said:
if OS X means so little to somebody who owns a Mac that they would jump ship to Windows because of the HARDWARE then they really were not a "Mac" user to begin with.
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So, using OSX is like street cred or something?

Yes, I love OSX but I waited on upgrading my laptop for about a year or so and after the long refresh, this was it?

For me, it's not about the software, it's not about the hardware,

Really, I know a lot of people are complaining about dongles and RAM and such but for me it wasn't a single issue. I could live with dongles. I could live with it not being as powerful as I would have liked it to be. I can live with all of that.

If they had done this refresh a year ago, fine, maybe. But to me it just says Apple is devoid of innovation in the product line. Why would I continue to throw money into that pit?

I used to be a Windows guy way back in the day. I hated Macs. But eventually (from my perspective) Apple started to get it right while everyone on the Windows side was floundering.

Now, it's starting to feel like things are shifting back in the other direction.
 
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I have a MacBook Air, iPad Pro and Surface Pro 4.

It is true that the MacBook Air is still a gorgeous machine, just a perfect design for a laptop. OSX is still an elegant OS to use, but it is becoming fragmented and bugs and slowdowns are becoming more frequent with each release. It has also failed to progress in the last few years. Where the Air continues to score is its portability, connectivity and incredible battery life. But as a package, it is beginning to feel dated.

The iPad Pro is a nice iPad, but that's about it. It is NOT a pro machine in any way - it lacks connectivity and iOS is far too limited to properly replace a laptop. It's plus points are the excellent battery life, ease of use and suitability for consumption.

The Surface Pro 4 is a real surprise. The hardware is beautiful and the integrated kickstand surprisingly useful and adjustable. The display is outstanding, with some of the deepest blacks I've seen on a device like this. The keyboard cover is also excellent with great key travel and a glass trackpad that comes very close to the MacBook's. The hardware oozes premium quality.

Windows 10 is getting more like Mac OS with each update. It is very powerful and generally quite elegant and easy to use. It falls down on the last 10 - 15 % of detail, mostly due to legacy features and a lack of optimisation in a few places. The Windows app marketplace has a way to go. The touch UI, with the right apps, is very good indeed and the desktop experience excellent. It is also generally stable - on a par with my Apple kit in its current form.

Where the Surface falls down is battery life, which is poor. That aside, this **** just got real folks. Don't believe the Apple fanboys (although I was one myself until very recently) - the new Microsoft hardware is seriously good.
 
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brooklyn275 said:
I spent 30 minutes at the Microsoft store playing with the Surface Studio and was so blown away. As a pro photographer I am looking to replace 2 retouching machines and the iMac is getting very long in the tooth as well. Retouching on the screen was so amazing and the ability to adjust it to any angle was amazing. The Dial was really amazing as well but I preferred it on the desk as oppose to on the screen. The only thing that has kept me from pre ordering two is hard drive file formatting as I have hundreds of mac formatted drives. Really hope apple is listening but to be honest I don't think they care.
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Leo Laporte showed his Surface Studio on Windows Weekly the other day. He bought the base-model for $3,000.

It struggled in Lightroom with large RAW photos. He blames it on the weak i5 processor and mobile graphics.

You'll have to step up to the $3,500 model to get the beefier i7 processor... or the $4,200 model with the i7 and upgraded graphics.
 
R3k said:
Oh, and to all those unsure what a Pro user is:

From Wiki "A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity."

So, earning a living from your Mac? Cant do your job without one? Professional user.
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Yep. I can do my job without my Mac. I'm pretty sure I can't without Linux, though.
 
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thefarang said:
So, using OSX is like street cred or something?

Yes, I love OSX but I waited on upgrading my laptop for about a year or so and after the long refresh, this was it?

For me, it's not about the software, it's not about the hardware,

Really, I know a lot of people are complaining about dongles and RAM and such but for me it wasn't a single issue. I could live with dongles. I could live with it not being as powerful as I would have liked it to be. I can live with all of that.

If they had done this refresh a year ago, fine, maybe. But to me it just says Apple is devoid of innovation in the product line. Why would I continue to throw money into that pit?

I used to be a Windows guy way back in the day. I hated Macs. But eventually (from my perspective) Apple started to get it right while everyone on the Windows side was floundering.

Now, it's starting to feel like things are shifting back in the other direction.
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Exactly my situation. I started even with 8088 and used PC's all the time but at some point I got iBook G4 and bondi blue iMac G3 (if I recall right) after XP and Win7 it was mostly only OSX. The 8 and 8.1 was total ******** but Win10 is quite good if you compared it to predecessors. Obviously it does not match Macos in all areas but try using Macos with stylus now or in the future?
 
Royksöpp said:
As much as I hate the new MacBook Pro I love Mac OS. I use continuity and icloud among all my devices. At the moment a PC would be too big of a disruption. Luckily I have 2015 MBP so I have quite a few years left with that machine. If I was a professional designer I would consider a surface studio for work and work only. I'd still have to have a Mac though.
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Feel much the same way except I have an iPad Pro if I want the Apple feel. I know it's not OSX but it's close enough where I know I'm working on an Apple designed OS. I use that for email, sitting on the couch web surfing, etc and it works remarkably well for those uses.

Now as I look to replace my aging MBP, I have to ask if any of those OSX features are truly worth it when considering an upgrade for "pro" purposes.
 
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