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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
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This might sound good on the internet but if Apple wants to earn more money they just increase the price of computer by $100. That nets them more money than people buying adaptors (that $100 price increase is pure profit, the price of the cables and adaptors is not pure profit and far from all people will buy their adaptors from Apple) with much less publicity downside.
You are falling into the trap of assuming lower motives behind every thing you perceive as negative. That is the human gut reflex but we are also blessed with rational thought. But giving in to our gut reflex gives an instant gratification that you apparently cannot resist against.
So the people who were upset that the new Macbook Pro can't have 32GB or RAM and doesn't have Mag-Safe anymore...
...are supposed to be happy with a Surface Pro or Surface Book which don't have those things either?
Both Book and Pro have MagSafe style charging connectors, just FYI. They don't seem to broadcast it much but that feature is there.
As for RAM, the bigger issue isn't the RAM that's factory installed; it's that it cannot be replaced. Not saying this is Apple's problem as they both have this issue but this really limits the life of the product. It'd be different if you could swap out for more RAM later on to increase the longevity of the machine but it seems most ultrabooks and laptops are just soldering it to the board.
I am not sure why you linked that or quoted Jobs, but ok. Disappointed you are not Steve.
This has been an interesting thread. But I think what excites those who are now in the Microsoft camp is seeing where Microsoft is going. What dismays some of us who used to be in the Apple camp is where Apple is going. Not necessarily where both camps are today.
With Microsoft - we are seeing rapid improvements to Windows 10 that would have been unheard of previously. We are also seeing them continue to develop their design chops when it comes to the Hardware side.
In contrast to Apple's focus. Many of us were holding out hope that the new MBP would show a reinvigorated approach to the Mac, but were disappointed by what was revealed. I was waiting for the new MBP reveal to see if I would take a fresh look at the Apple ecosystem, but was a bit disappointed. I got a regular MB to keep one foot in the ecosystem and do assorted minor dev work. Looking forward to next year's Microsoft reveal to see if they learned the lessons with the first SurfaceBook.
With Microsoft - we are seeing rapid improvements to Windows 10 that would have been unheard of previously. We are also seeing them continue to develop their design chops when it comes to the Hardware side.
In contrast to Apple's focus. Many of us were holding out hope that the new MBP would show a reinvigorated approach to the Mac, but were disappointed by what was revealed. I was waiting for the new MBP reveal to see if I would take a fresh look at the Apple ecosystem, but was a bit disappointed. I got a regular MB to keep one foot in the ecosystem and do assorted minor dev work. Looking forward to next year's Microsoft reveal to see if they learned the lessons with the first SurfaceBook.
The 2016 13" MBP has a 49.2 Wh battery and is rated for 10 h. The 12.3" Surface Pro 4 has a 38.2 Wh battery and is rated at 9 h.Then they will say "ugh, Windows..."
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Fair enough. My thinking was, how do I lump the Surface, Surface Pro, and Surface Book into one category? They are essentially a tablet/convertible and a laptop. "Product" came to mind. I guess I should have said "mobile computer" instead.
In any case, the point still stands. To everyone whining about there being no option for 32GB or 64GB in the new MBPs, there is no Surface mobile computer with that much RAM either.
There are not too many options today if one wants that much RAM in a laptop. There are some very thick and heavy gaming laptops with poor battery life, or some "business" laptops of questionable quality.
This happens because users download, many times unzip, and run scripts. Almost always from an e-mail attachment. Generally, it's a Visual Basic script or an Excel file that contains a VB Macro with the virus.
I've saw this happen 4 or 5 times with two different companies in the last 16 months. This isn't a case of visiting a dodgy website and getting a virus. It's usually people who "don't know no better" blindly double-clicking e-mail attachments from spoofed e-mails or whatever.
You can have an infinite number of firewalls going on, and they'll do very little to prevent this sort of thing. Mainly, because it's a script, not an executable binary.
But, this all boils down to Windows goofy permissions management.
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (512 GB, 16 GB RAM, Intel Core i7e - 12.3” PixelSense screen) - $1,788 (Amazon), list $2,199.
Apple MacBook Pro - 13", 512 GB, 16 GB RAM, Intel Core i7 - $2,199. And you can use the mouse without touching the screen.
Honestly...Best thing to do. If you like the machine just keep it and upgrade the ^#% out of it! No one is forced to buy the last model just because it's "new".... New doesn't always mean better.
I don't disagree with you that it is anecdotal, but I just was surprised because in 2013 the reverse was true. Many more Macs. I think the tablet/laptop in one is a huge reason even if Apple doesn't buy into it.
I'm debating the move to a new MacBook, but something I've said all along is that if I move away from MacOS and the hardware as my main computer Apple will lose an iPhone/iPad user as well. The real danger is this. Because I am not the only one considering it. Windows 10 is not quite as good as MacOS but it is stable, very fast and they are updating the OS with new features.
MacOS on the other hand is doing nothing more than adding "phone" features to the OS and seems stuck from the UI and innovation standpoint.
well I certainly have, after 4 Macbook Pro's, bought a Surface Pro 4.
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By the time my Apple products die (hopefully more than 4 years from now) the market should be pretty interesting.
I wonder if Apple sales are going to drop significantly and if Microsoft is going to continue to gain momemtum. I hope they don't get complacent like Apple did and keep pushing the boundaries like they have been.
I believe it'll take a major sales downturn for Apple to change course. They are so used to people initially complaining about their products and sticking to their guns that they might not notice that the complaints are valid this time, just like all the apologists in this forum.
I recall reading somewhere that Stve had left about 4 years of products in the Apple pipeline already somewhat set. So it figures the 2015/2016 products fell somewhat flat on their (watch) face.
I hope Apple fails HARD in the next two years. That will be the only hope for us to get the REAL Apple back.
Flamesuit, ON.
I wonder if Apple sales are going to drop significantly and if Microsoft is going to continue to gain momemtum. I hope they don't get complacent like Apple did and keep pushing the boundaries like they have been.
I believe it'll take a major sales downturn for Apple to change course. They are so used to people initially complaining about their products and sticking to their guns that they might not notice that the complaints are valid this time, just like all the apologists in this forum.
I recall reading somewhere that Stve had left about 4 years of products in the Apple pipeline already somewhat set. So it figures the 2015/2016 products fell somewhat flat on their (watch) face.
I hope Apple fails HARD in the next two years. That will be the only hope for us to get the REAL Apple back.
Flamesuit, ON.
It's been 18 years since I've owned a Microsoft product. I went out and bought a Lenovo laptop w/Windows 10 yesterday.
The total available I/O bandwidth of the chipset probably would have required giving up one USB-C port to get a USB-A (at USB 3 speeds) port.
But I also don't support the removal of the SD card slot. Yes, it follows the idea that more and more people switch from dedicated cameras with SD cards to smartphones that either transfer images wirelessly (even via the cloud) or via a USB cable and that removing it adds space for other things (even if only marginally). But leaving it in would not have contradicted the message that USB-C is the future.
Actually, Apple created the better laptop. 2015>2016. And for me, it's not the dongles I am worried about. Even tough I think you are making a mistake if you think dongles won't be a problem in 1-2 years. It will be the same as today. In 2020+ maybe we won't need dongles.
But as I said, I didn't complain about dongles. Battery life is awful, and touch bar is a total gimmick. In direct sun light, I can't even see what's on the touch bar. And even when I see what's there, I find no use for it, since keyboard shortcuts are way better and faster. And even then, touch bar is a buggy gimmick.
I won't purchase a MBP with touchbar ever again. And if apple doesn't release the 15 without TB, well, I will stick to my 2014 MBP as long as possible
Agree with this, I just have no interest in the touchbar at all, the keyboard is horrible aswell. I bought the 2015 model recently.
I know several who've done exactly this.
Apple blew it.
I just hope they know it.
If i have to go back to a Windows machine, I'll go android. No sense paying the Apple Tax if you're not inside the ecosystem.
Apple blew it.
I just hope they know it.
If i have to go back to a Windows machine, I'll go android. No sense paying the Apple Tax if you're not inside the ecosystem.
cool, me too! - i got a used t440s i7 FHD, maxx'd out, mint condition, dirt cheap ... it's way lighter than my MBP2012 so i continue using my MBP stationary but use the lighter t440s running linux for outside the office ... for me thats a nice intermediate solution.
The good news is... this should be the last port-transition for a while.
We've had all types of ports for the host end of the cable over the years: VGA, DVI, HDMI, Mini-HDMI, Micro-HDMI, DisplayPort, Mini-DisplayPort... and those were just for video!
Plus additional ports like USB-A and Thunderbolt (which thankfully re-used the Mini-DisplayPort port instead of creating another a new port)
And how many different ports were for the device end of the cable? So many flavors of USB, in particular, over the years: USB-B, Mini-B, Micro-B, Micro-B 3.0, etc.
This was madness if you really think about it.
But the future looks better. Finally one port that can do everything: USB-C
Transitions are rarely fun... but this is change in the right direction.
You're right... you will still have to use a USB-C to VGA adapter to plug into projectors or whatever... but it should be the last adapter you have to buy for a while.
I've got a Surface Pro at work (and a Mac too, so no Microsoft, it wasn't a 'switch' in my case). My first impression with the Surface Pro was very positive. Compared to the dud HP laptop I had before, it was much better. But I'm starting to notice little things that are now really annoying. The keyboard is definitely a lot better than most tablet keyboards (even though it's not as good as a laptop keyboard) but it can be glitchy. The SP4 also sometimes gets confused about whether it wants to be in tablet mode or laptop mode. There are soooooo many updates, which is something I'd been glad to get away from on Macs. I also don't think it will last for years before it breaks. I kinda expect it to last maybe 2 years if I'm lucky, whereas I expect a lifespan of 4-6 years from my Mac.
The MacBook Pro? Well, it's a Mac. no surprises, Does what it says on the tin and it's been incredibly reliable. If I had to choose one as a sole personal device, I'd still go with the Mac.
The MacBook Pro? Well, it's a Mac. no surprises, Does what it says on the tin and it's been incredibly reliable. If I had to choose one as a sole personal device, I'd still go with the Mac.
Except there's a problem if companies see more value and users moving to Windows they will build creative software for that platform and abandon the Mac. ie Protools/Adobe etc.... Especially since it looks like they are abandoning the MacPro etc.
My issue is MacOS is standing still. They are adding nothing but "phone like" features to the OS and there is no UI or innovation...