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I wonder what a brand new previous model 15 inch Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM would be worth?
 
Leo Laporte showed his Surface Studio on Windows Weekly the other day. He bought the base-model for $3,000.

It struggled in Lightroom with large RAW photos. He blames it on the weak i5 processor and mobile graphics.

You'll have to step up to the $3,500 model to get the beefier i7 processor... or the $4,200 model with the i7 and upgraded graphics.
Correct, just like I would with an iMac. An extra $1000 for a pro machine is not a big deal. Time is much more valuable than that.
 
Returned a $1499 Macbook Pro 16 at NYC Apple store on 5th Ave today, purchased last week 12/08 same store.
  • The new MBP is shaped like a phablet, I needed a case to protect it like a smart phone. There no cases in store.
  • The removal of magsafe worried me about folks tripping over the USB-C power cord. Also missing is any visual indicator of battery charging (although there is a new audible Mac charging sound after plugging into power).
  • Since May 2016 when my old 2008 Macbook died I've been using a Chromebook and the scrolling on web browser currently has more fidelity on ChromeOS than MacOS.
After a decent case and after market magsafe appear likely I will buy again (perhaps at Kaby Lake refresh).
 
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What a crap !!!
I used Windows 10 and all the ****** versions before.
It was AND IS a disaster ! Productivity at zero level. Workflows that are an insult !
"Updates" for hours... Many apps that cannot adjust to high-res screens. Viruses, malware, etc....
Never ending driver issues with a bunch of hardware.
It is NOT about hardware but the integrated system as a whole.

Forget about Windows.
macOS is great, fast, stable, easy.... and MBP also. I have an 2016 PRO and it is awesome in all of its details.
It is the only reliable companion for people that rely on a workstation to earn their money without issues.

APPLE: keep the good work going !!
You joined today just to admit you haven't a clue about Windows
 
Neo-switchers deserve what they get. Anyone who thinks MS offers long-term solutions for productivity-minded creatives is deluding themselves. Windows is still ... Windows.

I second that. I too was sucked into the marketing hype regarding the Surface Book but quickly realised that although it is a great piece of hardware the problem is that you're still saddled with Windows and until they do something about Windows, which is the weakest link, the hardware will be let down by bad software. Yes, their latest work in progress, Creators Update, have improved some of the rough areas such as poor DPI scaling but it is still a inconsistent mess not to mention all the other issues one inherits when you have a system reliant on a goulash of drivers from many vendors.
 
I have been seriously considering switching to a PC after the new MBP announcement. I just don't see how the price is justified.
 
Sigh. See you next Tuesday.

Seriously though, none of the things you report happen on any of the 70,000 machines I manage. Might want to do a bit of investigating to see what is going on...

If you upgraded from a previous Windows version then that is not going to help. I suggest a clean vanilla build if you went the upgrade route.
 
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Probably true, I'd get one if it ran osx - windows is still a dog after all these years, 10 is better but still a mess.
 
Yeah right, I was in the mall by my house yesterday, the microsoft store and more employees that customers, maybe 30. The Apple store had at least 400 customers in it.
 
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I call bull****on this story. When I bought my new MBP there was a HUGE line to buy one. They couldn't keep them in stock. I LOVE my new MBP and would NEVER buy a piece of crap Windows machine. Apple isn't perfect, but they are still the best there is.
So the Apple store had 12 in stock, while the line had 30 people. Yeah, that sounds like they indeed couldn't keep them in stock :D
 
  • Since May 2016 when my old 2008 Macbook died I've been using a Chromebook and the scrolling on web browser currently has more fidelity on ChromeOS than MacOS.

Glad someone else too noticed this. Chrome browser scrolling on ChromeOS is amazingly fast even without an ad blocker. I'd say it's easily the fastest of any platform. Perfect even on a 2008 Thinkpad x200 running CloudReady ChromeOS.
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Yeah right, I was in the mall by my house yesterday, the microsoft store and more employees that customers, maybe 30. The Apple store had at least 400 customers in it.

Majority of the 400 Apple customers were there with issues with their TB MBP and to get their iPhone battery replaced.
 
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Question: is there a portable travel dock that includes USB-A ports, SD card reader, Ethernet and VGA? HDMI would also be great for those rare occasions when there IS an HDMI input...
There are many options for SD-card + USB + Ethernet + HDMi. I am not sure about VGA. I would be surprised that people still using a projector with VGA connector won't have at least couple of adapters available.
 
Considering it is barely faster than gaming laptops nowadays, why not?

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1813882
https://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks

My comment was mainly directed at the idea of comparing a desktop workstation with a mobile 2-in-1

And remember... the Mac Pro and Surface Pro/Book aren't exactly gaming machines.

You've given us Mac benchmarks... now let's see Surface benchmarks.

Are you suggesting that a dual-core Surface Pro or Surface Book is faster than a quad-core Mac Pro?

I realize the Mac Pro is "old" nowadays... but I didn't realize mobile "U-series" processors were that fast compared to desktop Xeons from a few years ago.
 
What issues do you see with webdev?
I go back and forth between the two so I purposely use tools that are cross platform so I can easily sync stuff like keybindings, snippets, etc. What am I missing out on by actively avoiding MacOS exclusive tools and workflows?
I switched between 3 different macOS devices the last 2 months and it always took me around 10 minutes to have everything going. Everything installed via terminal, no googling, installer next next next next clicking, etc. To start work simply `git clone` `npm install` and `npm start`.

On Windows it's incredibly painful even to get programs you need before you start the work. Not even mentioning adware/bloatware that sometimes tries to install sh*t in your computer with the actual software (even Skype from Microsoft!!). Everything I used (Vagrant, node, npm, git, php, composer, ...) had it's own issues and bugs specific to Windows. All these things need to be somehow installed via an application and configuring them is weird and painful.

Now MS realized that and they are pushing the Ubuntu subsystem thing for Windows which sounds great and all, but it's far from finished. For example a bug preventing running ANY npm application using networking (pretty much all apps in web dev) from starting was fixed only couple weeks ago and is available only in the Insider Preview versions.

If you have a good workflow and set of reliable tools for windows for web development I would really be interested in that, but I am afraid that nothing can match macOS or Linux in that sense (Linux is also not an option, but that would be for another 1000 letters :D)
 
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