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I know it's a year old video, but watch this and tell me again how the Surface is great?


I thought that guy was very detailed. One other thing that people don't mention about the Surface keyboard is that the key letters are nearly invisible if you have backlight on in a well lit room.

White on white. o_O

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Microsoft has announced November was its best month ever for consumer Surface sales. In a blog post, the company said more people are switching from Macs to Surface devices than ever before following the "disappointment" of the new MacBook Pro, particularly among professional users.

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Shortly after the new MacBook Pro launched, Microsoft launched a promotion offering MacBook Pro and MacBook Air owners up to $650 credit towards a new Surface Book or Surface Pro 4. Microsoft also unveiled the Surface Studio in October, and the all-in-one desktop has been met with positive reviews.

Microsoft's Surface Book starts at $1,499, the same price as Apple's new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys. Touch Bar-equipped models start at $1,799 for 13-inch models and $2,399 for 15-inch models.

Article Link: Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
[doublepost=1481584294][/doublepost]The Surface book is joke. Companies don't even make apps for it. They continue to have recalls, and even the Microsoft Board members were complaining about the reliability. Microsoft charges for support.

What did legalize for drugs in Washington?
 
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I keep hearing blame thrown at Tim Cook over and over...but how about Jony Ive? I think he wields quite a bit of power, and I think a lot of what we are seeing is coming from his design aesthetic and unwillingness to compromise. There is good in that...but I think right now we are seeing what happens, when it goes wrong and you lose total sight of your customers, needs/wants.

What amazes me is the fact that so many people conveniently forget that Tim Cook joined Apple in 1998 and was instrumental in turning an almost bankrupt company into the envy of the tech industry. His supply-chain wizardry will be the subject of many a book in the future I suspect. He also deserves credit for not trying to 'be' Steve Jobs and seems to delegate very effectively to the various senior members of the exec team.

Of all the CEOs in the world today Tim Cook is by far the one I trust to 'do the right thing' because unless I am sorely mistaken, he puts humanity ahead of business every single time! Courage? Yes, in abundance.
 
That's great, good for you Microsoft. Let me know when the Surface runs something other than Windows.

Yeah, not Microsoft Windows is a buy criteria for me.
 
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As someone nearly desperately looking for an updated laptop that's more powerful and functional than my aging Macbook Air, I was deeply frustrated to find a new set of laptops that introduce so many compromises they are hard to justify. There's a lot of nice stuff there, but it all boils down to if I can get work done with it using all the dev equipment I have. (Without getting 'taxed' by a bunch of new dongles.) A few years from now maybe they'll be less frustrating.
 
I know it's a year old video, but watch this and tell me again how the Surface is great?



Yep... that video shows the difference between dual-core and quad-core performance.

Funny how those Surface commercials never mention that when they say "My Mac can't do that!" :)

To be fair though... Microsoft always compares the Surface Pro/Book to the dual-core 13" Macbook Pro.

But it's crazy that the 15" Macbook Pro in the video was actually $200 cheaper... while also having better performance and a bigger screen.
 
I don't really care about the new MB Pro and its moronic little touchy feely pad strip. I don't care about all the software makers running to accommodate this trendy little ploy on Apple's part. I don't care that the location of the strip is actually in a poorly positioned place. Apple is free to continue its path of adding dollars to its coffers while waving the banner "THIN above all" even if form over function deters any real advances and progress.

Meanwhile -

Microsoft is working the kinks out of its offerings and OS
HP is putting out some impressive offerings with its Z line (in particular its workstation that is more a Mac Pro than Apple's own hardware). - And we are seeing Google and Amazon in home control making Apple play the dullard of the bunch and then Samsung even with its go boom phone is squeezing Apple out of certain areas of potential profit. Apple has a lot on its plate and sadly, even with all the gold in the pot, they may change their name yet again to - Apple Sauce.

Apple is too busy working on OS updates with new Emojis and figure out WTF is wrong with their AirPods and Beats X. Issues with the new MacBook Pros don't seem to be on that list of things to address :p
 
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Nonsense. Microsoft is building garbage as usual. Nothing new. If they spent more time on building better gear and less on marketing they might be better off. Don't fall for the marketing hype.
 
My Letter to Tim Cook, I sent to him a view days ago. Will he read it? Maybe not... And I won´t buy a MS Surface, I bought a Razer Blade :)

Dear Mr. Tim Cook,
well, I don´t know if you ever will read this email, but maybe someone will. And sorry about my english...
I am Christian from Vienna, Austria and I was an absolutely loyal Apple User and Customer since 1993. Even in the hard days from 1996 to 1999 I and my company were still using Macs in Business with Filemaker and are still using Apple Computers, iPhones, iPads, Time Capsule etc.
I bought I think everything, Apple produced since 1993… and it was cool and good to use Apple Computers.
Now I have to tell you something really bad, bad for you and your company. You and your company has lost it´s focus onto people like me an Apple Fan Boy and yes after 23 years of supporting Apple as a "company for the rest of us", in my family, with my friends, I am now personally moving away from Apple and I want to tell you why...
  • Cancelling Aperture, moving away from loyal photographers / customers (and I am not a photographer) … but the move was really really bad - a bad signal to professionals
  • Bringing an absolute buggy and slow photos app that is way below what we got with iPhoto. You can´t edit the photos in an external Editor without a plugin, Drag and Drop a photo onto the Mail Icon won´t open a new Mail - why not? Drag and Drop to Photoshop - no way. Tim - Apple stood for Drag and Drop - and it won´t work anymore in every place. Photos is still crap. The only thing I like in Photos you can use plug ins - but wait: they are destructive… why? what´s the problem? What is your concept? But wait: what was the main reason using iPhoto? Organise photos and „MAKING GREAT BOOKS“ - Did you try to make a Book on your Mac in photos? It´s totally buggy, CPU intensive and crippled to what I already did with older iPhoto Versions. And sorry - the Themes you offer are looking cheap. This is not Apple like...
  • iWork - I don´t like it anymore. Since it was ported to iOS and Apple tried to unify the feature set - on the Mac Pages, Numbers and especially Keynote lost it´s glance - it had a few years ago. And after all these years in 2016 you can´t even use fonts on iOS you used on the mac. No external fonts on iOS after alomost 10 years. It´s a shame. We used Numbers in our company, but now we are back to Excel. This is the truth.
  • iMovie. The last nice version was I think iMovie 6 with a lot of thrid party plugins. iMovie is an iOS App now with no plugins, limited to the „no“ great Apple themes, transitions, badges… It´s crap too - I am really sorry - I lost my interest in making home movies. Bring on iMovie as it is but with really great Effects, editable Badges, Intros, Themes - BUT WITH great 3rd Party Support. I want to use iMovie with plugins… maybe from final cut… but for the rest of us…
  • Moving from Final Cut to Final Cut X was not that smart as you maybe thougth, and I think you lost a LOT of customers in this category. Some of my colleagues are really laughing at Final Cut X. Maybe now Final Cut is what you or Apple wanted to be years ago - but the switch was aweful.
  • Are you really killing Apple Script? Please have a team to further support this easy language and powerful possibilities
  • The whole apple planet: What is going wrong to sell Airport Basestations or Time Capsule - I really don´t want to configure a third party router - don´t stop these products now - it would be the worst decision.
The Mac Hardware:
  • You released 2 Models this year: MacBook and MacBook Pro - wow
  • The MacBook looks really great but this is a Subnotebook without power at a price - this is unbelievable
  • The MacBook Pro 2016. The Touchbar - nice try, it look´s great, has the latest PCIe SSD Speed etc. BUT it is too expensive - way too expensive and where is the graphics power? Can I play a real game with a 4800 Euro MacBook Pro? NO NOT REALLY - CASUAL GAMES YES… ok… Adobe Premiere? With full power on plugins and effects.. NO. This machine is NOTHING than nice to look at.
  • Please look at the buyers guide on macrumors: https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Mac - 422 Days no update to the iMac, 640 Days no update to the Mac Book Air? 784 days no update to the mac mini? AND finally 1086 days no update to the Mac Pro. TIM. you are killing Mac business. What is so difficult to update these machines to the newest processors, graphic cards etc? YOU are definitely ruining the mac business by missleading updates.
Keynotes:
  • What happened to your keynotes? They are absolutely absolutely boring today. And you reduced the keynotes to the half of the keynotes we got as you earned less the money than now. Get into details, show what the rest of us want to see.
What I bought:
  • A Windows laptop, a gaming machine with Invidia Geforce 1060 - a Razer Blade - yes - battery and design finish is not comparable to the macbook pro but Tim - I have a really nice computer with Windows 10 at full speed, with full graphics power, everything runs faster, smoother at a way lower price than the MacBook Pro. And sorry Tim - Windows 10 looks quite good to me. I have Microsoft Office wit a 1 TB OneDrive (up to 5 TB for Family) at a pricepoint where I get 1 TB of iCloud Drive without anything else. I can share Folders… Tim "I can share a Folder or Files“!!! wit my oneDrive - what is your vision on iCloud Drive? It´s - and I am sorry nice but crap.
  • I can extend this „Windows“ machine with the Razer Core a fully PCIe Card Extension Box. I can run a Geforce 1080, if I want too. Intel and you invented thunderbolt. But now I can use „your" thunderbolt on a windows device with an external graphics card. macOS Sierra is not ready for eGPU. What´s going on in your company. What´s going wrong. Make something like he Razer Core - now!!!!
I hove no arguments for my friends or my family to use Apple products anymore. In just a few years you lost almost everything. And remember I am / was a loyal customer...
If you want to make a change - and I am sure you have to make some changes. Bring great products in „all" categories - also in the pro ones and in categories where you don´t make a lot of money - maybe its to late… it is already… thats really sad.
I am really disappointed. Everything Steve Jobs brought to us - simple apps, solutions and more, are going away now…

kind regards

Please visit this:
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro
Where is the 17 inch Mac Book Pro for your Pros? If a small company like razer can do it, why is apple not doing what it could do?
One of my last mails from an apple computer :)
The last Mac I will use is my Mac in the studio with Logic X. If you will stop Logic X - this was my last Apple … :(
 
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This is massively one sided and doesn't look at the bigger picture. What about others that moved to MacBook? what about those that moved and regretted it, moved back? or sold the Surface quicker than they bought it.

Microsoft are doing well in the hardware department (except the phone) they deserve good sales, but it is a pointless sweeping statement to make. I'm yet to see a Surface in the flesh, I work in tech and have never seen one except on TV. I see Mac's daily... more than Windows hardware combined.

Apple says sales are amazing, Microsoft says everyones switching to surface. Neither showing number yet. Microsoft never posts numbers, Apple will post numbers.

The Surface is not a good replacement for a LAPtop, keyword: LAP. If I want to do serious work I'll need to be at a desk or get a base for it. The Surfacebook on the other hand looks like a great machine but at max 13" I'd never buy one unless they introduced 15.4" models.

[Edit] @Atari-Inside I complained to Tim Cook once, and he did read it. Though he didn't respond personally.
 
Nonsense. Microsoft is building garbage as usual. Nothing new. If they spent more time on building better gear and less on marketing they might be better off. Don't fall for the marketing hype.

Always found it interesting that Gate's view was that he only wanted his* OS on every computer. MS was not in the hardware business though they did quite well with an ergo keyboard and mouse. Meanwhile, Apple has been a hardware company from the start and even stranger is that Apple before the PC was by design meant to be network while PC's were lonely islands. We have all seen how things have changed and become more convoluted in both camps.

Your comment about MS building better gear and spend less on marketing is extremely amusing (not in a bad way) as Gate's marketed the hell out of Windows early on and even did some "in the grey" promotions of certain software along with boasts of things that the software turned out could not do. Thus it was Gate's marketing that was what made MS into the company it is today. Think about it, people actually accept the notion that rebooting here and there is okay to keep a so called stable operating system running. Think about it - people actually paid to be "beta" testers for MS's OS's on a grand scale given that all of Windows from early on were riddled with issues and bloat.

As for Apple, I think just a few short years after Intel found its way into Macs, the company changed and not for the better. Something is terribly wrong with leadership when it missed the boat on product and product lines that even a typical consumer can identify as being wrong, bad or missing. Apple is now just "Apple, another company."
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My Letter to Tim Cook. Will he read it? Maybe not... And I won´t buy a MS Surface, I bought a Razer Blade :)

Thank you for sharing your letter. I find Apple just another company now so I am not upset with their choices in what they bring to the table (other than any OS upgrade that stinks more than the previous).

I hope you do get a response AND you share it with us here!

Kudos!
 
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I switched between 3 different macOS devices the last 2 months and it always took me around 10 minutes to have everything going. Everything installed via terminal, no googling, installer next next next next clicking, etc. To start work simply `git clone` `npm install` and `npm start`.

On Windows it's incredibly painful even to get programs you need before you start the work. Not even mentioning adware/bloatware that sometimes tries to install sh*t in your computer with the actual software (even Skype from Microsoft!!). Everything I used (Vagrant, node, npm, git, php, composer, ...) had it's own issues and bugs specific to Windows. All these things need to be somehow installed via an application and configuring them is weird and painful.

Now MS realized that and they are pushing the Ubuntu subsystem thing for Windows which sounds great and all, but it's far from finished. For example a bug preventing running ANY npm application using networking (pretty much all apps in web dev) from starting was fixed only couple weeks ago and is available only in the Insider Preview versions.

If you have a good workflow and set of reliable tools for windows for web development I would really be interested in that, but I am afraid that nothing can match macOS or Linux in that sense (Linux is also not an option, but that would be for another 1000 letters :D)

Totally agree. Setting up command line arguments and different editors is insanely slow. When there are problems, it's not as intuitive for me as if I'm on a mac/linux machine.

I really hate developing on Windows machines. A lot of Windows devs swear by Powershell, but their process is painfully slow. I have not tried the Ubuntu subsystem, and it will be a while for me to even consider it. Windows has an insane amount of bloat, and I highly doubt it's going to be the integration that I'd be looking for. Macs for the most part is very portable for development sans any Visual Studios stuff.
 
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As for Apple, I think just a few short years after Intel found its way into Macs, the company changed and not for the better. Something is terribly wrong with leadership when it missed the boat on product and product lines that even a typical consumer can identify as being wrong, bad or missing. Apple is now just "Apple, another company."

Something is also terribly wrong with this comment. If they did not switch to Intel, they would have a difficult time supporting x86 architectures.
 
This says few things: Either Microsoft really has made a better product, or Microsoft is in the same position as before, just Apple came out with a bad product, so Surface looks better.

Either way, its good for Microsoft. :D My next Mac is a MBA, *not* a MBP... Just waiting on ordering

Microsoft didn’t used to make PCs, so their position is quite different than it used to be, and ought to be a worry to Apple.
 
Not if you post it here instead of actually sending it to him.
And not if you don't make your points in a more concise manner.

1 short paragraph, or you're wasting your time.

I posted it to him a few days ago - no answer - I expected this
"in a more concise manner."? I wrote what I personally meant. It is my personal point of view. 23 years working on a mac. YES. But NO - if Apple won´t change.
 
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