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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
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As a professional editor I can attest that its not a gimmick. It'll mature but I'm finding it more than useful.
So go buy a laptop that supports 32GB of RAM. You are an edge case. And as I (and many others) have mentioned, direct that complaint at Intel. Apple can (a) compromise battery life or (b) limit RAM based on the LPDDR3 supported by intel's CPUs just like Microsoft is doing. Kaby Lake still doesn't support LPDDR4 either. This is more an issue with what happens when one player in the processor market is completely dominant and without notable competition (at least on the higher end of that market).
My bet is on more people being angry about battery life than not having 32GB of RAM. Wasn't there just an article the other day here on Mac Rumors complaining about battery life in the new MBP?
This doesn't even address my skepticism that MOST (not all) people crying about 32GB of RAM here likely don't need it anyway, especially when swap is largely irrelevant when your disk can move data at 3GB/s.
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The trade in program is essentially a PR stunt. The amount they give you for anything is basically a joke. They're just working with a third party recycler. A 2008 machine will likely net you something like $50, the prices they publish are basically for current gen new hardware.
Wait until Apple adds a 32GB RAM option and the crying immediately switches to how greedy Apple is for the price they're going to charge for it...
Or they could just make the laptop bigger, so it can have 32GB AND a bigger battery, AND more than 3 usable ports. Just a thought, which goes back to my original point of wanting a full-fat laptop not an iToy. I'm not an 'edge case', nor is it an Intel problem - HP, Lenovo, Dell all manage to achieve 64GB in their larger laptops and 32GB in their thin ones. Apple just make junk these days.
Macbook, Macbook Air and Macbook Pro.
Mac mini, Imac, Mac Pro.
This lineup isn't rocket science and shouldn't be that hard to keep up to date. The "Pro" models should actually cater tho people like shaunp and other users with demands for processing power. That doesn't have to mean the people with more demands on battery power have to be left behind if the other laptops or desktops would just be updated with appropriate specs. I use my computer mainly for audio processing and software instruments and plugins take a lot of cpu and ram.
Mac mini, Imac, Mac Pro.
This lineup isn't rocket science and shouldn't be that hard to keep up to date. The "Pro" models should actually cater tho people like shaunp and other users with demands for processing power. That doesn't have to mean the people with more demands on battery power have to be left behind if the other laptops or desktops would just be updated with appropriate specs. I use my computer mainly for audio processing and software instruments and plugins take a lot of cpu and ram.
This wouldn't be a problem if Apple let us upgrade our pro models after purchase.
If it's true that people are actually "switching from macbook pro to surface models" I think that speaks a lot about who is using the macbook pro and maybe I'm completely wrong about who should be the target audience for that particular model. I know there is absolutely nothing wrong with just wanting the top model even if it's used mostly as a typewriter.
New MacBook Pro I ordered mine 4 weeks ago and it is yet to be delivered estimated delivery 22-29 December I am an Apple engineer and I must admit it I am fed up Apple stop looking for the next big thing so much and invest in what you have especially the server side not everyone wants or can go cloud based (were still on ADSL guys not gigabit fibre).
Please Tim listen
Please Tim listen
I think that Apple missed a great opportunity to offer products that customers wanted for the holiday season, no new Imac and laptops that still seems overpriced compared to the new Microsoft line .
Microsoft has announced November was its best month ever for consumer Surface sales. In a blog post, the company said more people are switching from Macs to Surface devices than ever before following the "disappointment" of the new MacBook Pro, particularly among professional users.
Shortly after the new MacBook Pro launched, Microsoft launched a trade-in promotion offering MacBook Pro and MacBook Air owners up to $650 credit towards a new Surface Book or Surface Pro 4. Microsoft also unveiled the Surface Studio in October, and the all-in-one desktop has been met with positive reviews.
Microsoft's Surface Book starts at $1,499, the same price as Apple's new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys. Touch Bar-equipped models start at $1,799 for 13-inch models and $2,399 for 15-inch models.
Article Link: Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
The old argument that it's better to spend more on Apple laptops and desktops because they don't run windows operating system isn't going to work much longer .
I also have been saying that Apple should re-revamp and return to being a computer company. Its focus on new emoji and "hot" music, its concern with watches (I have one) and their aesthetics, are distracting it from its real talents: computers, iPads and iPhones. The competition in these areas is becoming fiercer, and Apple should give far more attention to what they really know (knew?) how to do.
I hate to be that guy, but as an engineer, you should know that punctuation really would help us understand your post easier.
You can show them all the evidence, make all sorts of well thought out reasons why Apple is blowing it, but some of these fanboys here will just cover their ears and say 'whiner whiner whiner' to try to dismiss you.
I get it, the new macbook non-pro is right for them, so theyre fine with the state of macs in general.
What I dont get is why they cant accept that its not right for a growing mass of former apple enthusiasts.
Its fine for them so to hell with the rest of us 'whiners'.
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Curious. Have we got to the point yet where we all have to replace our laptops every couple of years to stay in the game?
For me this seems to be the likely popular trend. Which is fine. But if you need to upgrade during your purchase to get the best machine for your needs you will pay Apple a hefty premium for memory and hard drives, and then that's it. Can upgrade or adapt to new trends or demanding software. You will have to buy a new laptop.
I guess if you are OK with spending $3k to $4k every couple of years to keep up with technology, then this is a non issue.
I tend to keep my laptops for 3 to 5 years on average. I do a modest amount of video rendering and uploading. It used to be 480p, then 720p which I could keep up with, then 1080p which is still doable. Now it's 4K, which takes some horsepower and hardware. Not debating what these machines can and can,t do. Merely pointing out technology is ever changing. We should be able to upgrade our hardware as needed without having to buy a whole new machine, or at least get the most up to date hardware available for the money at the time of purchase. Especially when dropping thousands of dollars.
For me this seems to be the likely popular trend. Which is fine. But if you need to upgrade during your purchase to get the best machine for your needs you will pay Apple a hefty premium for memory and hard drives, and then that's it. Can upgrade or adapt to new trends or demanding software. You will have to buy a new laptop.
I guess if you are OK with spending $3k to $4k every couple of years to keep up with technology, then this is a non issue.
I tend to keep my laptops for 3 to 5 years on average. I do a modest amount of video rendering and uploading. It used to be 480p, then 720p which I could keep up with, then 1080p which is still doable. Now it's 4K, which takes some horsepower and hardware. Not debating what these machines can and can,t do. Merely pointing out technology is ever changing. We should be able to upgrade our hardware as needed without having to buy a whole new machine, or at least get the most up to date hardware available for the money at the time of purchase. Especially when dropping thousands of dollars.
So buy a full-fat laptop. Condescendingly calling something that works for many others (including professionals) an "itoy" just goes back to my issue with the level of entitlement demanding Apple make exactly what YOU want. Vote with your dollars. If enough dollars go elsewhere, Apple will take note and change course... of course... it's also possible more of the dollars are fine with what Apple makes and you're more of the edge case. Apple is a business after all.
You're not going to gain much on battery even if Apple did make them bigger. Like I said, the FAA limits it to 100w hours and Apple already uses 76w hours. If Apple did everything the so called "professionals" around here wanted (Nvidia GPUs which are much higher TDP, dropping LPDDR to use DDR4 and larger RAM amounts), you'd end up with a thick bulky workstation replacement that had to be tethered to a power cable. I think it's a pretty safe bet Apple would lose more customers than they'd gain if you look at this objectively. Look at the gulf between the Mini/iMac and Mac Pro that has existed and been complained about since the days of the G5 Tower.
So, again, go buy what works for you.
Totally agree with the comments above. Replacing laptop every couple years like replacing iPhones sounds ridiculously absurd and wasting a lot of money unwisely. Replacing iPhone every two years sounds okay, but laptop with 2-4K every two year sounds unbelievably unwise.
You say buy 'what works for you'. In case the brick wall youre listening through is a little thick, let me emphasize: What we wants is to run osx, with more options in computers besides just 'thin'. Apple no longer gives us those options, so we cant buy what we want
I'm sorry to say this but, although MacOS is still much better than Windows, the gap has been narrowing, largely thanks to the very slow rate of change at Apple. Like the hardware, the OS has been 'improved' largely by gimmicks. None of the Apple computers is as powerful as it ought to be. The MBPs should not be sacrificing battery life, power and storage to thinness. Nor should the iMacs. And how about a reasonably-priced desktop machine which is expandable?
My Dell Precision mobile workstation lasted 10 hours on a charge with moderate use. It had 64GB of Ram installed, btw (I sold it and switched to a desktop computer). Battery life with modern mobile workstations isn't all bad. The Clevo/Sager laptops, though, with desktop CPUs and dual GTX 1080s in SLI, do last less than 2 hours on battery as Optimus is disabled on those models.
That's not correct. Last time I took advantage of Microsoft trade in offer I specifically asked and was told the equipment gets donated to charity. It works out for consumers who don't have the time to deal with scammers and low ballers. And, it's for a good cause.
It is nice to see a voice of reason in the chaos of this thread.
+1 to you kind soul.
I also use W10 everyday after i ditched my Mac Pro and I think it is years ahead of MacOS. It's much, much faster than MacOS, and at last it's stable for a change (mind also that this is on a custom-made PC).
I'd also prefer Linux, however. Now, combine these 2 things and you'll get to my point: Having a PC with W10 and/or Linux on it, I see no reason at all to go back to Mac anymore, thanks to Tim.
I can't speak to whether or not they were going to charity... but this is the company handling the most recent Microsoft Trade in program: http://cexchange.com They're an electronics recycling business just like many others, not a charity organization. I'm not against giving things for a good cause, but there's probably much better options than this for that.
That said, the price given for trade-in via companies like this is generally so far below market rate it's basically insulting. You'd get more money from lowball offers on craigslist.
Is it really "well thought-out reasons why Apple is blowing it", or is it the usual rabble-rabble that comes up every single freaking time that Apple does a major redesign?
You've been a forum member here longer than I have.
Do you remember the forums here after the 2012 MacBook Pro redesign?
The RAM was soldered in. The SuperDrive was gone. There were no Ethernet or DVI ports anymore.
What were the typical comments back then?
"They're going to lose major customers over this"
"Apple is blowing it"
"They value thinness over function"
"Their prices are so high that nobody's going to buy these"
"They just make toys"
"You need an adapter for everything now"
It's so repetitive. What's going on now is such a rehash of what happened in 2012, and I think that's where a lot of the dismissiveness is coming from.