Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before

[Count Blah]

It is probably a "10->100 so call it 10x" style of PR, which basically true only because people buy old MacBook Pro and trade in for discount. Not that much Pro users would dump Apple, considering Surface is incompetent for real world professional task, and Intel didn't actually has a big advance in chip technology.

I appreciate that English is not your primary language, honestly.

1 - please show me where to buy MBPs for less than $650, to make the $650 trade in a good deal?
2 - So you are saying that Surface is not good with real world professional tasks? Please explain
3 - Both machines run Intel, so what difference does that make?

Thank you for posting, please feel free to post more.

Have a great day!!!

 

[tampageek]

....Care to explain how a USB connection forces users into cloud storage instead of a hard drive????

if all your existing backup drives are USB-A, you either buy new drives, buy dongles, or buy iCloud storage. Pick one

 

[thekev]

if all your existing backup drives are USB-A, you either buy new drives, buy dongles, or buy iCloud storage. Pick one

iCloud isn't suitable as a primary backup solution.

 

[Daniel Reed]

Is this the sign of Apple saying "iPad Pro is the future"?

Time to Market, is a concept Jobs knew well (by learning the hard way + trial & error).

Apple led by The Cook is sorely missing this viewpoint on innovation and release planning.

Instead of awareness and creating compelling steps to the future,
Cook is forcing the market down a path while resting on the laurels of Team Jobs.

 

[Skoal]

A $650 credit for turning in a MBP to get a Surface couldn't have ANYTHING to do with sales lol!

 

[BWhaler]

1. LG Screen is actually VERY good looking in real life and is a pro screen.
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I hope you're right abou It looking better. I'm sure the screen itself is great as it is lg.

Have you seen an actual 5k display in person? The 4K I saw looked like a Dell display from the 90's—before everyone realized that design and aesthetic matters and started following Apple. I'd be delighted if the 5k looks respectable and would buy one if that's the case—no pun intended.
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Hmm, I have a single cable going from my new MacBook Pro to my new monitor. Far from complex.

..and then connect iPhone, ad card reader, existing drives. Yes, if you buy one of two new displays on market, it's simpler but for professional users with tons of iinvestment in infrastructure and workflow it's not. I think that's what people are trying to tell Apple..

 

[Michael Scrip]

If Apple did everything the so called "professionals" around here wanted (Nvidia GPUs which are much higher TDP, dropping LPDDR to use DDR4 and larger RAM amounts), you'd end up with a thick bulky workstation replacement that had to be tethered to a power cable.

I would imagine heavy users are using wall-power most of the time anyway.

The people who use a lot of horsepower for things like chewing through multiple streams of 4K video, motion graphics, etc and exporting gigabytes of files...

...are they doing that on battery power? Probably not.

I understand the appeal of being "mobile" and "untethered"... but wall-power is available just about anywhere you'd be doing these strenuous tasks.

All these YouTubers making their complaint videos about the new Macbook Pro... we see inside their office. The place where they do most of their work has wall-power. Their 2015 Macbook Pro is plugged into the wall. And so are their cameras, lights, audio recorders, etc.

And if they have to step away from the office... are they crunching 4K videos out in the woods somewhere?

No... they're gonna be somewhere else with a wall plug.

So yeah... Apple could have put 32GB of higher-power RAM in the Macbook Pro along with a high-TDP NVidia GPU. Or at least made a higher SKU. Because if you're the kind of person who is using those components to the max... you'll likely be plugged in anyway.

I know Apple loves to quote their "10 hour battery life"

But that's 10 hours of browsing the web in Safari... not exporting 4K video for 10 hours straight!

I don't think there's a laptop on Earth that can peg the CPU at 100% for 10 hours straight on battery.

 

[macsmurf]

And then there's the lack of a pro workstation.

The current Mac pro was launched 3yrs ago, which is right around the time I tend to refresh. Refresh to what? refresh to more 2013 gear?

So Apple finally gets to the point where they're ubiquitous, and widely accepted in the Enterprise and by professionals in just about every discipline. At which point Apple just up and decides to start phoning it in, concentrating their creative juices on making stuff that's thinner and has fewer ports.

I liked them better when they were an oddball platform.

Apple has never been accepted in the enterprise and by professionals in general. We always make sure that we can go somewhere else at a moments notice and with a minimum of expense in time and money.

They are not to be trusted and if you do trust them you haven't been paying attention for the last decade or so. That's not to say that they don't make great stuff but one should never marry oneself to Apple.

 

[furi0usbee]

What is this quasi-poetic nonsense?

And although your 2012 MacBook Pro is still running well, your a complete fool if you think the 2016 tb MBP doesn't outclass it by a wide margin.

My 2012 has no issues whatsoever for how I use it. And you buying a 2016 for me will actually make me *less* productive.

 

[Abazigal]

Apple does a really bad job these days to serve the Mac customers. But what else would you expect if your Mac Desktop Hardware is more than 2 years old and the MacBook Pro gets more and more expensive? It is alienating your customers. Is this the sign of Apple saying "iPad Pro is the future"?

I think it does show Apple's commitment to making the iPad pro a viable PC replacement for most people. I am not talking about the "pros" who need triple-monitor setups or 64gb of ram or run multiple VM simulations, but people who do email, light document editing, web browsing, and using their computers primarily for consumption and light work.

Maybe not today, but I believe we will eventually get there.

 

[LDN]

I wish they'd bring back the tower Mac Pro. I loved mine. That machine was a beast! The trashcan is a good machine, but the tower was a thing of beauty and raw power.

Sound engineers I've worked with basically said the same thing. Apple could have made a modern version of the old Pro, but for some reason made something nobody asked for, a compact workstation with very little expandability or upgradability. They could have made an amazing Mac Pro with insane power due to proper cooling.

 

[Michael Scrip]

but for some reason [Apple] made something nobody asked for...

Seems to be a trend lately...

 

[pmjoe]

I wonder how Apple is planning for developers to write iOS apps when there is no pro machine to build them with?

 

[Uplift]

Well, that is an opinion too and quite an ignorant one.

1) If you are doing web dev you are most probably using VSCode, Atom, Sublime Text, WebStorm, etc. All of which are cross platform tools from day one.

2) If you are doing front end, and unless you've been living in a cave for the past 5 years, then you are most probably using NPM and Node. Guess what? Node was designed for Linux first.

3) You can be up and running in Linux in no time too. Probably even faster than with Mac since you already have APT or Yum. No need to install Homebrew.

4) Maybe you also missed that there's bash on Windows 10 now running natively (no virtualisation). Pure Ubuntu. Exactly the same bash you find on your servers, unlike what's running on macOS. With APT and all.

5) MAMP was designed for macOS and was later ported to Windows

I use macOS, but Linux is just as good (if not better) for web dev. Windows was behind but now with real bash choosing an OS for web dev is a matter of taste. None is objectively better.
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Nope. Windows 10 has had bash for a few months now. It's running Ubuntu natively. You can even run some Linux GUI software.

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/

http://www.howtogeek.com/261575/how...top-applications-from-windows-10s-bash-shell/

Fair enough, windows is definitely improving and with the Linux system baked in it's going to be much more attractive to developers but it doesn't work as well as native and all you mentioned was a couple of IDE's.. There are lots more tools available that I use that are not available on Windows. I'm very much seeing a 'mac first' approach to development tools.

 

[TechGeek76]

Are you referring to Trump the scumbag who screams, cries, and whines, while attacking private citizens like a petulant 5 year old child on Twitter?

Yawn....

Refer back to my original post.

 

[PhoneI]

I hope you're right abou It looking better. I'm sure the screen itself is great as it is lg.

Have you seen an actual 5k display in person? The 4K I saw looked like a Dell display from the 90's—before everyone realized that design and aesthetic matters and started following Apple. I'd be delighted if the 5k looks respectable and would buy one if that's the case—no pun intended.
[doublepost=1481680891][/doublepost].

..and then connect iPhone, ad card reader, existing drives. Yes, if you buy one of two new displays on market, it's simpler but for professional users with tons of iinvestment in infrastructure and workflow it's not. I think that's what people are trying to tell Apple..

Same thing people told Apple when they took away DVD drive. Progress is always going to cause annoyance for some.

Do people really still connect their iPhones to their computers with a cable? I don't even remember the last time I did that.

 

[mi7chy]

Do people really still connect their iPhones to their computers with a cable? I don't even remember the last time I did that.

How do you expect to recover when another iOS update soft bricks your device?

 

[Martyimac]

Same thing people told Apple when they took away DVD drive.
Progress is always going to cause annoyance for some.Do people really still connect their iPhones to their computers with a cable? I don't even remember the last time I did that.

I still occasionally use a DVD, had to go out and buy an external one when Apple quit building them in.
I use a cable to connect my iPhone all the time. every time.

And now I am supposed to either buy dongles or new replacement equipment because Apple only supplies the newest bestest port? Not going to happen. Luckily, I found a 2015 13" rMBP shortly after the 2016 models were release so I have at least 4-5 years to see how this is all going to pan out.[/QUOTE]

 

[NufSaid]

I still occasionally use a DVD.......

And now I am supposed to either buy dongles or new replacement equipment because Apple only supplies the newest bestest port?

First the DVD is going the way of the Dodo. Even my last PC laptop didn't have one...they did toss in an external for free though.

The dongles are now out of Apple's hands. They went with a universal standard and anyone can make them so they will be under pressure to keep prices low.

 

[lowendlinux]

I still occasionally use a DVD, had to go out and buy an external one when Apple quit building them in.
I use a cable to connect my iPhone all the time. every time.

And now I am supposed to either buy dongles or new replacement equipment because Apple only supplies the newest bestest port? Not going to happen. Luckily, I found a 2015 13" rMBP shortly after the 2016 models were release so I have at least 4-5 years to see how this is all going to pan out.

[/QUOTE]

actually you'd need a dongle to use you external DVD drive

 

[v0lume4]

Do people really still connect their iPhones to their computers with a cable?

No. But literally everything else--yes.

 

[Martyimac]

actually you'd need a dongle to use you external DVD drive

First the DVD is going the way of the Dodo. Even my last PC laptop didn't have one...they did toss in an external for free though.

The dongles are now out of Apple's hands. They went with a universal standard and anyone can make them so they will be under pressure to keep prices low.

Two GREAT examples of why I won't buy a 2016 MBP. (And there are other reasons too)

 

[pier]

Linux system baked in it's going to be much more attractive to developers but it doesn't work as well as native

I will say it again. It is running natively. No virtualisation.
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So buy a full-fat laptop. Condescendingly calling something that works for many others (including professionals) an "itoy" just goes back to my issue with the level of entitlement demanding Apple make exactly what YOU want. Vote with your dollars. If enough dollars go elsewhere, Apple will take note and change course... of course... it's also possible more of the dollars are fine with what Apple makes and you're more of the edge case. Apple is a business after all.

You're not going to gain much on battery even if Apple did make them bigger. Like I said, the FAA limits it to 100w hours and Apple already uses 76w hours. If Apple did everything the so called "professionals" around here wanted (Nvidia GPUs which are much higher TDP, dropping LPDDR to use DDR4 and larger RAM amounts), you'd end up with a thick bulky workstation replacement that had to be tethered to a power cable. I think it's a pretty safe bet Apple would lose more customers than they'd gain if you look at this objectively. Look at the gulf between the Mini/iMac and Mac Pro that has existed and been complained about since the days of the G5 Tower.

So, again, go buy what works for you.

Or, you know, Apple could just release a decent desktop machine.

 

[ipponrg]

I will say it again. It is running natively. No virtualisation.
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Or, you know, Apple could just release a decent desktop machine.

Most devs bring their laptops to meetings. Do you expect them to bring a desktop machine to meetings?

Nowadays, most people arent running full desktops unless they need the workstation. In most cases for video in larger houses, people arent running FCP anymore. They're on Avid work stations.

 

[JamesPDX]

Yeah, sad but true because Avid and a plugin bundle is an ass-ton more expensive than FCPX. And you still have to add plugins that we kind take for granted between FCPX, Motion, and Compressor. -Which only run on MACosThin+, etc.

But then, there are the system requirements that exclude most macs these days unless you're doing "cuts only" -etc.

http://www.avid.com/media-composer
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Most devs bring their laptops to meetings. Do you expect them to bring a desktop machine to meetings?

Nowadays, most people arent running full desktops unless they need the workstation. In most cases for video in larger houses, people arent running FCP anymore. They're on Avid work stations.

For meetings, why not a Chromebook or an iPad?