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"Surface Book 2 pre-orders begin November 9.... and at its retail stores in the United States ....."

It's retail stores which are absolutely teeming with visitors and customers. LOL

Yawn
 
15” and quad core. Nice additions. Now if it only ran macOS I would buy it. Not interested in touch on a desktop OS but I need the pen/pencil input in a performance machine for work.

Not sure if it’s the same class cpu as 15” MBP though. And I would ideally want the RAM at 32 GB.
 
My ThinkPad BSODs without any corporate garbage on it at all, or even with no UAC running. I'm hardly the first person to notice that Windows boxes fill up with garbage files and start to slow down. You gonna tell me this is the first time you've heard of that? It's been a design flaw of the whole OS since the beginning, not a byproduct of control software that someone put on the machine.

Is the ThinkPad your work laptop?

Mate, both macOS and windows have their issues..... I'm just not pretending one is garbage while the other is great. The divide is so close now.
 
Now if Apple would innovate and have courage to build a better MBP (32-64GB RAM, 4-8TB SSD, 11,13,15,17" retina+, better battery, better GPU) perhaps it can be thicker with all the necessary features!

A little competition wouldn't hurt Apple one bit.
Little competition? Everybody is running circles around Apple these days... And what’s Cook & Co doing? Nothing! Just counting their profits and pleasing investors instead of giving their customers something to be proud of again.

The Apple of today is past it’s prime. I really wonder how their employees see their own products. I remember a few keynotes back that they were reacting like they had taken sleeping pills.

I think two years and Cook will resign, leaving a company who’s lost it shine after years of working very hard to become a recognizable brand. Cook & Co managed in less than five years to turn a vibrant, nimble company into an overpriced elderly home.
 
But it runs windows, which is a crappy operating system. Having to use a windows laptop ( Lenevo ) it does not compare to my MacBook.
 
I have a Surface Book that I use as my work computer and I actually love it. It really is a well designed system.
 
15” and quad core. Nice additions. Now if it only ran macOS I would buy it. Not interested in touch on a desktop OS but I need the pen/pencil input in a performance machine for work.

Not sure if it’s the same class cpu as 15” MBP though. And I would ideally want the RAM at 32 GB.

but I need the pen/pencil input in a performance machine for work

But if you can't get this in a mac, what do you do all day?
 
I think two years and Cook will resign, leaving a company who’s lost it shine after years of working very hard to become a recognizable brand. Cook & Co managed in less than five years to turn a vibrant, nimble company into an overpriced elderly home.

But.. but.. look at that beautiful spaceship campus!
 
Looks to me like the same price as their MBP counterparts. Does that mean we can stop bitching about Apple's prices being too high?
Hmm.. well it does have better specs and components... it also comes with a full touch screen and detachable screen. Better battery life and support for a pen with 4096 levels of pressure. So to answer your question, I'd say "no".
 
Looks to me like the same price as their MBP counterparts. Does that mean we can stop bitching about Apple's prices being too high?

Well, I mean technically, Microsofts laptop is both a laptop AND a tablet, and its GPU is over 2x as powerful as whats in the Macbook Pro.

You can't just look at cost, you have to look at what you're getting for the price. You are still getting more bang for the buck with this laptop.

Oh, and I guess Microsofts Surface products aren't dead after all...
 
How freaking hot does it get?

Haven't tried it, but my air cooled Surface Pro doesn't get as warm as my Macbook Air.

It could be ten times as 'powerful', whatever that means when comparing two completely different OSes--I still have no desire to use Windows.

I like how everyone defending Windows here completely ignores crap like this:

BSOD (every 1-2 weeks)
DLLs and the ridiculous way that every app barfs files all over the Windows directory
Registry (see DLLs)
Fingerprint sensing is a joke compared to TouchID
Power management...doesn't seem to matter what I set it to, it switches things around on a whim
Ads/spyware
Backup options are ridiculous compared to Time Machine
Lack of continuity features with phones, messages, etc.
"Windows rot" that slows everything down over time
Antivirus...'nuff said
Deceptive update process
Edge

I use Windows on a loaded ThinkPad every day and find it to be exactly as bad as it's always been. It reminds me of Android OS--it feels like you could use it to launch the space shuttle, but it's completely unfulfilling and complicated to use in virtually every way. It's bloated, it's inconsistent, and I take no pleasure in using it.

Windows vs macOS is like somebody offering me a new Buick to replace my BMW. If I had never tried anything else, I'm sure I'd think it was great, but...I have, and it's not.

None of the things you listed have been things I've dealt or worried about on a Windows machine in years, and never on Windows 10.

As for continuity, today Microsoft is pushing out continuity to Android phones as part of the Fall Creators Update and Microsoft Launcher.

Only when you can detach the screen from a MBP and use it like a tablet ;)

Exactly!

I'd still pick the macbook. The whole 2 in 1 thing is overrated. If I want a tablet i'll use my ipad, if I want a laptop i'll use my laptop, etc.

Well what choice do you have? Apple has decided that for you. As for me, I can carry one device instead of two and when you are traveling the world that is a big deal. I've not been anywhere with the Surface Pro that a colleague didn't a) drool, and b) contact me later to find out how they can get a setup like I'm using.

The corporate windows machine I use to have used 20% of it's cpu on anti virus, corporate key stroke recording and other completely uses activity.

The key there is "corporate", meaning they've mucked it up with their crap on it. Run a native Windows 10 machine and compare that to your Mac, not a crippled corporate machine.
 
Sounds awesome. But it runs Windows...

[Actually, Windows isn't half too bad these days o_O]
Windows has now reached the point where leaving it for MacOS and the crappy butterfly keyboard doesn't make sense, at least not as much as it did a few years ago. If you feel married to MacOS and the ecosystem, that's one thing, but if you were never part of it in the first place...you probably would be better served to stick with Windows for now and wait for Apple's next big innovation on the Mac front, if one ever comes under Tim Cook. At the very least wait for some resolution on the butterfly keyboard thing.
 
People in this thread are saying windows has gotten better... guys, windows is so, so much worse than it used to be. There are literal ads in the start menu. Windows randomly installs crap applications without your permission, and computers come loaded with so much third party bloatware its not even funny. And Windows is basically spyware now - tracking everything you do and sending to Microsoft. Don't like internet explorer? Oh look, it got renamed and Microsoft helpfully pinned it to your desktop without your permission.

I had to pick a PC laptop for Windows office and I agree 100% with your assessments. Shut off everything in the privacy options and disabled Cortana. It keeps trying so hard to get my info. I cannot wait to give this POS away. Plus, freeze ups now because of the weak internal gpu: All while editing photos in a Word doc with one web browser open.

That said, I am seeing a lot of beach balls on my iMac running sierra (with 8/10s of storage still available and 24gb of ram) Not pushing that hard either, but after almost 3 weeks with this Windows laptop, I would still rather put up with Apple's bs. I just hope that MS has seriously lit a fire under Apple's butt concerning lap and desktop hardware.

And in terms of Surface Book 2 may it have far fewer issues for buyers.
 
I find it amusing how someone could treat Windows as such as POS OS, when it's powering so many businesses (particularly financial services) responsible for trillions upon trillions.

The OS isn't that complicated, or rubbish - and let's not pretend macOS is some kind of perfect OS either.
It's not that Windows is a POS, it's the fact that those millions of employees never had the choice and when they do, many choose MacOS even if it requires a small learning curve to perform similar tasks. PCs are made for businesses (not end users) but Macs are made for consumers (end users).
 
Wow RIP macbook pro.....this is how you innovate and make a amazing looking device. The 15 inch use to be a dream and now it's here.............

I agree that Microsoft is eating Apple's breakfast with this product in terms of design. I still agree with Apple about having specialized operating systems, and that way you don't need to compromise one or the other. I see a hybrid Mac/iPad — when attached to a keyboard, it's a Mac, and when detached, it's an iPad. But you can still bring up the full iPad interface on the Mac, if you want to. It's still two operating systems running in tandem, sharing hardware.

If anyone can do this, Apple can, and it would be a step beyond the Windows/Chrome OS attempts at being both.
 
It could be ten times as 'powerful', whatever that means when comparing two completely different OSes--I still have no desire to use Windows.

I like how everyone defending Windows here completely ignores crap like this:

BSOD (every 1-2 weeks)
DLLs and the ridiculous way that every app barfs files all over the Windows directory
Registry (see DLLs)
Fingerprint sensing is a joke compared to TouchID
Power management...doesn't seem to matter what I set it to, it switches things around on a whim
Ads/spyware
Backup options are ridiculous compared to Time Machine
Lack of continuity features with phones, messages, etc.
"Windows rot" that slows everything down over time
Antivirus...'nuff said
Deceptive update process
Edge

I use Windows on a loaded ThinkPad every day and find it to be exactly as bad as it's always been. It reminds me of Android OS--it feels like you could use it to launch the space shuttle, but it's completely unfulfilling and complicated to use in virtually every way. It's bloated, it's inconsistent, and I take no pleasure in using it.

Windows vs macOS is like somebody offering me a new Buick to replace my BMW. If I had never tried anything else, I'm sure I'd think it was great, but...I have, and it's not.


Yet I've been running windows 10 since day one and have yet to experience a BSOD.

-no BSOD
- No issues with DLLs
- no experience with fingerprint scanner on win10
- No issues with power management
- Ads/Spyware...guess what they exist on macs now too...just reformatted and installed high sierra on a neighbors macbook pro
- plenty of backup options, windows backup is fine
-continuity with phones...you got me there
-no issues with anti virus
- mac update process isn't any better or worse
- Edge sucks....we all know this.


You must be doing something wrong to experience all those issues.
 
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People in this thread are saying windows has gotten better... guys, windows is so, so much worse than it used to be. There are literal ads in the start menu. Windows randomly installs crap applications without your permission, and computers come loaded with so much third party bloatware its not even funny. And Windows is basically spyware now - tracking everything you do and sending to Microsoft. Don't like internet explorer? Oh look, it got renamed and Microsoft helpfully pinned it to your desktop without your permission.

Be careful about spreading misinformation. The new Edge browser is not "Internet Explorer with a new name". It is a fully-reborn browser.
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macOS and Windows are both very stale in my eyes

Stale in terms of appearance? Is that more important to you over things like reliability, efficiency and productivity? macOS wins hands-down in those areas.
 
Yet I've been running windows 10 since day one and have yet to experience a a BSOD.

-no BSOD
- No issues with DLLs
- no experience with fingerprint scanner on win10
- No issues with power management
- Ads/Spyware...guess what they exist on macs now too...just reformatted and installed high sierra on a neighbors macbook pro
- plenty of backup options, windows backup is fine
-continuity with phones...you got me there
-no issues with anti virus
- mac update process isn't any better or worse
- Edge sucks....we all know this.


You must be doing something wrong to experience all those issues.
I've had my HP Spectre x360 15" for 7 months now running Windows 10 with no BSOD or any other major crash. No viruses or malware detected in that period of time. I use Chrome or Firefox most of the time.
 
this is why we dropped all surface laptop/books. it was an overpriced windows machine. we went back to lenovo/dell.

Lenovos are the Toyota's of commerce. We have used these exclusively for the past 15 years in our environment.

Exception being the 'new platform' models - helix, tablets etc. All those Lenovo devices have been problematic and I recall sending back 20+ helixes at one shot several years back. Their laptops have been nothing short of reliable.
 
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