Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro

[DeepIn2U]

I find it amusing how someone could treat Windows as such as POS OS, when it's powering so many businesses (particularly financial services) responsible for trillions upon trillions.

The OS isn't that complicated, or rubbish - and let's not pretend macOS is some kind of perfect OS either.

Nope I can confirm that Windows 10 is REALLY rubbish! this is why it's FORCED no more Windows 7 Updates outside of enterprise, and why a specific Enterprise version of Win10 exists with much less security violations to the end user amongst other things. The Fischer Price ideal of styling in any current computing/mobile platform (Linux iterations aside from Ubuntu) needs to be scrapped!

PS: I use Win10 daily until a new Mac Mini debuts or FD22.

 

[Wildkraut]

Meanwhile at apple headquarters they are sitting at the table thinking "****, now Microsoft is releasing better products too. What feature can we remove from the Mac line to make it look innovative again."

Maybe remove the keyboard and add 5 touchbar rows? Lol

 

[lowendlinux]

Yep. Comparing laptops to American presidents. That really makes sense. What's next: comparing iPads to the situation in the Middle east?

The iPad is Israel and the Pixel C is Palestine

 

[djcgeez2189]

Maybe remove the keyboard and add 5 touchbar rows? Lol

Shhhhhhhhh

 

[BornAgainMac]

The new intel chips aren't twice as fast as the ones in the MBP. So they're obviously using a very specialty metric.

I think that is GPU speed that is twice as fast.

 

[djcgeez2189]

Nope I can confirm that Windows 10 is REALLY rubbish! this is why it's FORCED no more Windows 7 Updates outside of enterprise, and why a specific Enterprise version of Win10 exists with much less security violations to the end user amongst other things. The Fischer Price ideal of styling in any current computing/mobile platform (Linux iterations aside from Ubuntu) needs to be scrapped!

PS: I use Win10 daily until a new Mac Mini debuts or FD22.

Windows 10 has come a long way it's very reliable fast and I have had 0 issues with it since launch . I think 10 is their best work since XP
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I think that is GPU speed that is twice as fast.

The CPU won't be able to touch Mac because the i7 in the surface book is still a duel core. It's the GPU and Ram here that sizzle the bacon

 

[ivan86]

I wonder how loud it will be during load and how much it will throttle while at it.

Twice as powerful?
Nice clickbait title.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Windows 10 has come a long way it's very reliable fast and I have had 0 issues with it since launch . I think 10 is their best work since XP
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The CPU won't be able to touch Mac because the i7 in the surface book is still a duel core. It's the GPU and Ram here that sizzle the bacon

Actually the CPU in the 15 inch is a i7 quad core 8th generation. So GPU and CPU wise the 15" Surface Book 2 should be a lot faster.

 

[Mr. Dee]

With the current crappy keyboard on the new MacBook Pro's; mediocre battery life; and to be honest, no real reason to upgrade from my Early 2015 MBP, I might pick up a 15 inch SB2 until Apple sorts things out. It includes a 8th gen processor and nVidia 1060 by the way, I think I'm well overdue and upgrade. Besides, I'm missing out on some of the unique capabilities of Windows 10 such as Windows Hello and Pen improvements.

 

[djcgeez2189]

I wonder how loud it will be during load and how much it will throttle while at it.

Twice as powerful?
Nice clickbait title.

Actually I have the Surface book with the GTX 965m and it runs pretty cool and doesn't get loud at all even while gaming also when doing rendering work with Maya and 4k photos in Photoshop it stays cool and never throttles only time I've had a throttling issue is when you try to game when it's not plugged it obviously because it's running on battery power so try again

 

[mi7chy]

Despite this being a very "sorry" senseless but funny statement Without Windows Apple devices wouldn’t even exist.
The Milling Machines producing all these shiny Apple Devices runs mainly Windows with few Linux exceptions.

Ssshhh... Don't let the blind know Windows run the factory that makes Macs.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/236...o-of-mac-production-line-running-windows.html

 

[dampfnudel]

I find it amusing how someone could treat Windows as such as POS OS, when it's powering so many businesses (particularly financial services) responsible for trillions upon trillions.

The OS isn't that complicated, or rubbish - and let's not pretend macOS is some kind of perfect OS either.

Windows runs the world and every Windows hater here is benefiting everyday because of Windows. MacOS may still be better, but some people here are definitely exaggerating how big that gap is in 2017. Let's keep it real.

 

[djcgeez2189]

With the current crappy keyboard on the new MacBook Pro's; mediocre battery life; and to be honest, no real reason to upgrade from my Early 2015 MBP, I might pick up a 15 inch SB2 until Apple sorts things out. It includes a 8th gen processor and nVidia 1060 by the way, I think I'm well overdue and upgrade. Besides, I'm missing out on some of the unique capabilities of Windows 10 such as Windows Hello and Pen improvements.

The GTX 1060 is actually extremely impressive that alone is more than worth the upgrade ...my brother has a Alienware 13 with OLED screen and the GTX 1060 plows through games and he is a content creator he makes mobile games and it's a beast

 

[D.T.]

Yeah, the 3D pre-viz or game dev area also has many levels or requirements. Microsoft Surface won’t master it all, but it’s becoming a real game changer. The possibility to be able to integrate a powerful mobile touch device with pretty decent gpu into a real production pipeline is just wow.

Kind of OT: In what app/dev environment are you using Python? You mentioned it in the context of IK animation. I'm a big fan of Python, use it for a lot of automation, backend worker procs, ML, visualization - but all my AR/VR/CV work has been in C# or C++.

 

[GoldenJoe]

I have a SP3. It's pretty neat, but I can't find an actual use for it. The keyboard/touchpad is really horrible, but I've heard that they have made some improvement on that front. My main gripe is that Windows doesn't work in tablet mode. The second you go into settings or something, you're right back to 0.2" buttons that are almost impossible to press.

But hey, at least it's a full touchscreen. They are working to make it a real advantage. Can't say that about MacBooks.

 

[BornAgainMac]

The truth is that Microsoft is no longer focused on mobile phones. They have extra people resources to focus on the things that people want in laptops.

 

[Konceptz804]

Windows 10 has come a long way it's very reliable fast and I have had 0 issues with it since launch . I think 10 is their best work since XP
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The CPU won't be able to touch Mac because the i7 in the surface book is still a duel core. It's the GPU and Ram here that sizzle the bacon

Not all of the new mobile i7s are dual core, more and more mobile i7s are following the 4c/8t trend.

 

[tkermit]

Ssshhh... Don't let the blind know Windows run the factory that makes Macs.

And you have ATMs running OS/2 Warp. Doesn't make me want to use the OS at home or for my own work.

 

[shansoft]

Windows has come a long way. It's a lot better than what people think.

On my desktop, I would rather have Windows 10 than 7, but due to driver issue and other 3rd party support, I have to use 10....

Now my Windows machine is strictly for gaming and Windows only essentials....
Not to mention Windows DPI scaling is so broken still.

 

[Pentad]

Looks to me like the same price as their MBP counterparts. Does that mean we can stop bitching about Apple's prices being too high?

Um, why would you think that considering this has way nicer hardware than the current MBP for roughly the same price?

I know this is MR but c'mon...

 

[Soccertess]

It's a nice machine. Apple could learn a thing or two...
Removing all the USB ports was a horrible idea.

But this is what innovation looks like. The surface dial, the hinges, the pen... Apple has been following Microsoft leads for a while now. The smart cover is a great idea of Apple being out of ideas and borrowing from Microsoft!

Microsoft, keep innovating! This is your time to shine while Apple is on vacation (and while Tim is in charge!)

 

[D.T.]

You're probably right. When the first big-hit VR game that comes out it will require a 1070 and then I'd be pissed about the $2300+ spent on this thing. It really does check a lot of the boxes only leaving me without a disc drive which I could stomach bringing a long when needed. A Thunderbolt 3 port would of helped with the VR I'm guessing too though when paired with an external GPU...

BTW, I didn't mean to poo-poo the 1060, it's a solid GPU, but with a non-modular, and potentially pricey device, that _could_ be the quickest component to fall behind +if+ you're really keeping up on the biggest and best VR experience. Otherwise, it's plenty of GPU for games, at good-to-very-good fidelity levels, and most consumer VR stuff you'll see over the next 12-18 months (and xR could run out of steam yet in again, and/or migrate to mostly standalone devices).

 

[ColdCase]

The trouble with the surface, besides cost and a reputation of fragile hardware, may be that, they are trying to convert/market a tablet as a laptop. The product line as a tablet failed to compete with the iPadPro line segment for good reason. But the laptop segment is no longer a sustainable/profitable market except for perhaps certain niches. I don't think Apple is worried as the future profits are in iPadPros type devices with smart keyboards for the vast majority of consumers. Thats were the profit is. The Surface can't compete with the iPadPro line, so they may be trying to create some semblance of competition with the MacBookPro to satisfy stock holders before they abandon ship entirely. We've seen it before as history repeats itself. Apple just does what it does. There will probably always be a market for cheap throw away laptops, and thats where windose shines.

 

[deanthedev]

The fact is that facts don't matter because apple is apple. They release dog **** year after year and it sells ... Sheep follow apple and they will never innovate because consumers allow them to stay stuck in the past as long as it sells.....nothing you can say will help the isheep understand.

Hard to take anything seriously when you refer to an entire group of users as sheep.

And you have ATMs running OS/2 Warp. Doesn't make me want to use the OS at home or for my own work.

I used to code for OS/2 Warp. If I look in my basement I probably still have a stack of Redbooks laying around.

 

[Queen6]

Same here, I found Windows 10 to be more stable then OS X.

Same here, at home all my Mac's are fine, however on an engineering project when the hardware & OS pushed you can guarantee Apple's App's or the OS will crash to some extent in a matter of a few days. Windows 10 has yet to fail for me regardless of the scenario or workload.

For me it's predictable and easily repeatable. Apple has no answers nor really cares IMHO, and there are only so many clean installs one can do before accepting it's a fundamental flaw. Speaking with colleagues in the same or similar roles, they pretty much state the same that Apple's desktop OS is now far less stable. For systems that are directly linked to revenue don't need such nonsense...

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