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Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro
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That was not the point .
Nvidia v AMD , as per surface book 2 and MBP
It's only apple fans that call a MBP a Porsche and any other computer a truck..... and that is always incorrect . A Porsche is actually very practical and performs
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Hmmm don't see lots of dongles hanging out ..... neither of these are a MacBook Pro....
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Are you referring to that struggling software company Microsoft or the struggling hardware company Apple ? Cause .... both have pros / cons recently when trying to do hardware / software
Actually everything you just wrote is false.
Manufacturers put 'bloatware' on window pc's. Not microsoft. Vanilla windows 10 has ' zero' bloatware. None. There are no ads to be found. Zero. All pcs shipped from microsoft and the microsoft store run plain windows.
Just as Apple has no ads, uses safari as its default, Microsoft has no ads and ships with edge.
Internet explorer is gone, replaced by edge. I own a macbook and a surface book, and a surface studio.
On the hardware side microsoft owns Apple, all day long.
Apple has not innovated on anything pc related in a very long time. The surface studio is what a imac should be.
Surface book is innovative. For a marketing professional it has come to the point that mac isnt even useable. A ipad pro doesnt cut it, nor does a macbook.
Its really funny the responses about windows 10 on here. Windows 10 was built from the ground up. Comparing to windows of old is ludricious. How does mac OS compare to osx from 2010?
No one should be beholden to anyone company. That is just plain weird. Most on this thread are drinking too much of tim cooks coolaid. This is not the Apple that you know from Steve Jobs. Would Steve let the Mac Pro sit idle without updates for years? Would he let the Mac Mini do the same? Go with the same phone design 4 years in a row? No.
Look up the ' the mac mini is surely coming thread to see how much Apple cares about its customers. Or the actual Mac Pro forum.
Why are people buying 2 in 1's like the surface book? Just like Apple saying HDR and 4K is 'magical' on the Apple TV. When roku and amazon had it for years in their streaming boxes. When Apple releases a 2 in '1 i am sure it will be another magical release.
The Surface Book is a more capable machine. Period. As is the surface studio.
Remember the tables have turned. Apple is in the position where Microsoft used to be. At the top. Microsoft is the underdog now. Not Apple.
Just like Microsoft, Apple is getting complacent. The tortoise and the hare. This time Microsoft is the tortoise and Apple the hare.
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A BMW vs a Mercedes. Each good at their own thing, but neither absolutely better than the other.
Just because you are a Mac user that doesn't mean anything non-Mac is disgusting.
It is true that Surface Book's design isn't as nice as Macbook but it works for some people.
While I have a Surface Pro 4 that I use for work, I love it as much as my MacBook Pro 2017. At the end, it is all about personal preference.
It is true that Surface Book's design isn't as nice as Macbook but it works for some people.
While I have a Surface Pro 4 that I use for work, I love it as much as my MacBook Pro 2017. At the end, it is all about personal preference.
i didn't watch the video, but here are the specs from microsoft's website:
Surface Book 2 13.5” PixelSense™ Display
Intel® Core™ i5: Starting at 3.38 lbs (1,534 g) including keyboard
Intel® Core™ quad-core i7: Starting at 3.62 lbs (1,642 g) including keyboard
Surface Book 2 15” PixelSense™ Display
Intel® Core™ quad-core i7: Starting at 4.2 lbs (1,905 g) including keyboard
for comparison, the current MBP 13" is 3.02 pounds (1.37 kg) and the 15" is 4.02 pounds (1.83 kg)Intel® Core™ i5: Starting at 3.38 lbs (1,534 g) including keyboard
Intel® Core™ quad-core i7: Starting at 3.62 lbs (1,642 g) including keyboard
Surface Book 2 15” PixelSense™ Display
Intel® Core™ quad-core i7: Starting at 4.2 lbs (1,905 g) including keyboard
Exactly, that is what a lot of Mac users don't get. They think that Windows users are their mortal enemies. Without each other, business innovation does not exist.
Surface Pro.
The Surface Book doesn't have a detachable keyboard, it has a detachable display.
They are very different machines. I personally chose the Surface Pro because I like the size better, and I want the full function of the device when in tablet mode.. meaning full battery life, all the ports, etc.. In my use cases it wouldn't work well the other way. Also, the size of the 13.5" tablet seemed big for me, let alone a 15".
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For a comparative weight, you need to add the weight and cost of the largest iPad Pro to the Macbook Pro when comparing with Surface Book. Otherwise its not a valid comparison.
Have you ever had to support Windows in the enterprise? Ugh. MacOS isn’t perfect, as you’ve rightly noted, but even in a Windows centric enterprise environment - Windows servers, Active Directory, Exchange, Sharepoint, etc. it was still responsible for many fewer headaches in my experience.
Exactly. Ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner.
Some Mac users will buy anything Apple puts out. And not even look at anything else. This allows Apple to do anything they want, when they want. Which only exaberates the problem. How is that old tired mac pro, or mini. Or useless touch bar no one asked for.
Yes. A emoji bar on a ' pro' machine tells you Apple lost their way. How about a touch screen instead?
Apple insistance that no one wants a 2 in 1 is way off. When they release one i am sure it will be innovative and again ' magical!
I love my iphone, ipad, macbook but if something is better and more innovative i am going with the product which best fits my needs.
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I agree. But most of what you describe most likely was not running on Windows 10. Most likely Windows 7 on the client side Not 10.
My business is on Windows 10 on the client side with server 2016 and i could not be happier. Compariable problems to mac.
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You will be waiting along time for when the 'magical' event will happen.
I used to be Apple %100 percent and drank the coolaid. Now i use whatever fits my needs. You should too.
The 2 in 1 of your dreams already exists. Its called a surfacebook 2.
Being able to dual boot and run Windows on a Mac is cheaper than buying a Mac and a PC, or maybe I just don’t understand what you’re saying?
If I need to use MacOS programs 2 hrs/day, or 2 days a week, is the surface book (or other pc) an option or isn’t it?
I specifically said there were hardware failures, BUT some problems were inherent to windows. I know how to discern hardware failures from Windows failures. A strong tell is Windows acknowledging in a dialogue box it's on the OS.
Windows acting up, refusing to load some icons, functionnality disapearing from apps without the app being updated, settings gone wild, refusal to acknoledge USB in 10 but 7 is fine, while drivers being UNTOUCHED AND UNMESSED WITH.
Can you tell me why a professionally maintained array of Windows PC kept slowing down and crashing and drivers acting up, etc. They didn't know. They had to look. And then ah of course. But why was it like that ? No idea. Only two guy in the IT department, not their mess.
Windows is unreliable and erratic in performance. Everybody knows it. You know it, I know it, the world knows it.
Is it better when compared to the torture that were 93-NT ? Yes. Is it good enough ? For the price, sure... Does it live up to expectations in the 21st century, when there are OSes that run smoothly without a restart and almost never fail ? No.
Right, I’m talking about users. At a high level. Preferring Unix-based systems over Windows.
Their product is Windows, and their competitor is Apple. Not that hard to figure it out. They are providing the function of the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro in one package. Apple has no competitive answer to that.
In other words, it’s a BS claim. Like if Apple called the MBP 3 times as powerful, since it runs MacOS, or has a screaming fast NVMe SSD, or a larger trackpad.
I've been using every iteration of Windows since 3.1 (including WindowME on laptop which I loved more than XP; more refined for power management back then). I've also used OSX (before the macOS renaming) since Puma but I skipped El Capitan and the one before it. Sierra was the last I've tried ... the missing OSX versions was due to having no Mac and VM just doesn't work right with all machines and not having a botched experience without Sound/etc.
Seems like you're the a-typical end user ... I work in IT so I require the Start Menu to evoke CMD shell and PowerShell quite often. Sure I can make desktop shortcuts yet I cannot run specific commands that way and I loathe cluttering desktop. When I see an a-typical end users desktop and taskbar all cluttered (the latter with 2+ scrollable instances I get REALLY tempted to make a particular wallpaper screenshot to post on boing-boing. (if unsure what that means youtube search "The Website Is Down - Sales Guy vs. Web Dude"and you'll have a ball, old school humor).
The Dock and the TaskBar are completely different in their behaviour and abilities - I'd say Windows is in stronger capability (although I've not personally really fiddled what is capable in the Dock). Finder and Windows Explorer (not "windows browser" ugh), is still years behind in stock implementation than Finder (even Finder from OSX's Panther/Leopard is what Windows Explorer is currently at). Windows 10 just allowed for native full system indexing of file names and content within each file something OSX has had for almost 10 years now if not since it's VERY first iteration. Organization for tags (again OSX first by a decade; including Windows Server iterations), colour coding folders and proper permissions is very different.
Here is a test.
Create an Admin account and 3 power users in Windows (any desktop version you choose).
logon to each individually and save a file.
Log out of all accounts.
logon using the Admin account and tell me if you can see ALL the content in EVER other users folder?
Go ahead I'll not be waiting long for a "yes" answer.
Try the same in an OSX/MacOS (OSX) Unix based system, or in a Linux system.
- hint without you specifically changing the folder and file permissions in these systems you cannot by default access folder/content of another users' file system hierarchy.
The systems are VERY different although the 'UI' for ease of use varies significantly.
Cheers and enjoy the video (just not with minor children around).
You do have a point. I wouldn't even a own a windows pc not made by Microsoft. Its not so much the OS its hardware not optimized for the software like when Dell puts Windows on its PC compared to Apple or Microsoft putting their own OS on their hardware.
Windows gets a bad rap for this very specific issue. Where as Mac OS would probably run into similar issues if Mac OS was running widedpread on many thousands of machines on non Apple hardware.
Windows 10 on Microsofts own hardware has similar issues to Apples own machines in my experience. Since both OS's are designed and optimized for that chosen hardware.
Evidence? Look no further than the hackentosh community.
My experience between running all Microsoft hardware compared to Apple hardware is very comparible. Very little problems on either platform.
Switching from mac os to windows 10 on surface hardware my marketing firm is three times as productive at least.
But in the business world there isnt really a wide spread direct comparison to mac os running on servers.
How many problems would mac os have running in a business environment on hardware apple did not manufature?
Put mac os on non Apple hardware and then get back to me on direct comparisons between the two.
As someone who works in financial services - although Linux is used for some backend, most (if not all...) use the Microsoft stack for various components (including backend, eg SQL server) of the business. This is in the UK (maybe different for where you are), and having worked for over 15 companies (business intelligence, data services, financial and insurance) not one has embraced macOS for their business - and everyone uses a windows machine.
Most companies who work on front end and creatives, still use a Windows based system - sure some companies have started to give employees the choice of their machines - but it’s all still primarily windows. Irrespective of industry, majority’s of companies still have a development environment in Windows, and in my opinion (as well as many others), despite all the IDE’s out there, Visual Studio is still the best damn IDE.
My point was, if Windows was as crap as it was, being 2017, after all these years, another OS (even if not macOS) would have taken over, but it hasn’t. And no, it’s not because people are used to it, you just have to look into history how often technologies that were the norm died out, when they became inadequate.
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VM means virtualization ( virtual machine ). It doesn’t mean dual booting.
Dual booting for what I do isn’t an option - far too inefficient. I need OS X and windows available at the same time, which VM is good for. It also introduces a performance hit - and I find awkward ( I.e keyboard differences and more ).
Never said that. Just that this is pretty damn unappealing to look at (that hinge especially is next-level bad).
Finally they are quad-core now.
Nice looking machine if they would dump the silver keys for black.
Nice looking machine if they would dump the silver keys for black.
It's ironic that my 2012 MBP always functions correctly when I boot into Windows 10 via Bootcamp, but is randomly periodically crippled via CPU throttling when booted into High Sierra (and the OSs before it) because of what I assume is a malfunctioning thermal sensor (no way to repair it without replacing the entire logic board). I agree with those who say Windows 10 is radically improved in terms of stability compared to other iterations. I also dig it for playing games. But, most of the time I'd prefer to operate in Mac OS. It's just unfortunate that Apple makes some choices regarding hardware and software integration that result in the absurdity I've been facing.