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Millions sold. 2000 asked.

Yea I'm throwing this in the trash.

Well this article is actually about the Surface, not windows 10. Perhaps your assertion is correct that win10 is a jack of all trades master of none, (this making it a "hot mess"), but perhaps you are able to agree that the design, functionality, and expandability of the surface is superior to iPad (device to device).



Actually 2,000 is more than enough to get a statistically significant sample size


Careful, you're using facts and logic with a sycophant.
 
Keep drinking that Kool Aid!

Wow, how original. Could you elaborate at all on how it applies to my post that you quoted?

Let's see:

The iPad runs full programs and does have a file system. But that's besides the point, which you seem to miss anyway.

Are you saying the iPad doesn't have full programs or a file system?

The iPad is an optimal choice for most users. There's obviously going to be use cases where one needs a Mac or Windows computer for their tasks.

Do you really disagree that most users would benefit from using an iPad as their computer? They've all seemed to already move to iOS or Android devices for their primary computing.

And what about use cases where one would need a Mac or Windows? This comment also require one to drink koolaid to understand?

Yet iPad still outsells most PCs from most manufacturers.

Hmm, I posted actual annual sales stats that shows this comment to be true. But maybe koolaid is also needed here to help one's reading comprehension?
 
So let me get this straight: You have a Dell XPS laptop that came with a Nehalem chip running with a Skylake chip. I had assumed you meant a laptop, since that's what most of the XPS line has been, but given this clarification I guess you meant one of the desktops.

Of course, the fact that it's running Skylake means you have a Dell XPS case that internally has been completely swapped out for a newer computer. Of course it still runs fine, it's a 2015/2016 computer, not 2009.

You didn't read the person I quoted. He was saying ipad sales were decking because everyone was satisfied with their iPad. I was implying that PC sales are declining because it's easy to upgrade desktops and people are satisfied with their laptops.This is evidenced because Intel and NVIDIA had record quarters when PC sales declined

There is no excuse for iPad sales decline as they are made obsolete every 5 years and cannot be upgraded
 
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Millions sold. 2000 asked.

Yea I'm throwing this in the trash.

Just out of curiosity. when you make this claim, have you ever taken or studied a university level statistics course? (Sorry if this sounds rude, not intended, just trying to understand your understanding level of what statistical sampling is)

In statistics, there are a few factors that play into how many people you need to survey for a reasonable sample size to be representative of population. There are several factors to consider, including where those numbers are taken from and the level of confidence you wish to see in the study.

for example in this case, lets say they sold 30 million units (made up number), with a margin of error of 5% confidence level of 95%, you would only need approximately 400 responses.

So with a Sample size of 2000 people, you can get a reasonable population value of over 300,000,000 people with a margin of error of 3.5" and 99% confidence.

I truly doubt were talking about population sizes of 300m people when we're talking about tech and specific gadgets
 
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You didn't read the person I quoted. He was saying ipad sales were decking because everyone was satisfied with their iPad. I was implying that PC sales are declining because it's easy to upgrade desktops and people are satisfied with their laptops.This is evidenced because Intel and NVIDIA had record quarters when PC sales declined

There is no excuse for iPad sales decline as they are made obsolete every 5 years and cannot be upgraded
There is no excuse if the former CEO had done his job properly. Then again it's hard to explain, at the other end of the spectrum, the record breaking quarters.
 
There is no excuse if the former CEO had done his job properly. Then again it's hard to explain, at the other end of the spectrum, the record breaking quarters.

By your logic since these are all Timmy's creations this is all his fault. Steve rescued the company from bankruptcy and invented 3 smashing product lines when he was at the top.
 
The refrigerator and toaster hybrid just beat Apple.

You were wrong Tim, people DO want that s***t.

Hopefully Microsoft will advertise this win like crazy so that Apple gets its head out.

The iPad is fantastic, and fantastically crippled by its OS and hardware choices.

If, IF Apple reacts to this it won't be overnight, primarily because the iPhone is their main concern, and is in my opinion the anchor that is keeping the iPad from being the one-size-fits-all device it could become.

Add a Finder, lift restrictions, demand universal apps, add HW expansion/access slots, and let me reinstall the OS Version that came with my device now and FOREVER. FOR STARTERS.

Hopefully Tim will realise his mistake sooner rather than later. But somehow I doubt it. He is too obsessed with the iPhone to care about anything else. I hope as the sales continue to decline he finally gives it the attention it deserves.

Improve the software Tim. That's all it really takes. An i7 6950k with a GTX 1080 and a 4K display is useless IF all I can do is play candy crush and watch movies
 
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By your logic since these are all Timmy's creations this is all his fault. Steve rescued the company from bankruptcy and invented 3 smashing product lines when he was at the top.
By your logic all of the success of Apple is Jibs and the failures are Tims. I'm spreading it around a little more equitably. Obvious Steve was responsible for the success and the iPad failure as well as Tim is responsible for success and some failure. Tim invented 5s and 6, which set the stage for Apple to become worlds most valuable.
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Hopefully Tim will realise his mistake sooner rather than later. But somehow I doubt it. He is too obsessed with the iPhone to care about anything else. I hope as the sales continue to decline he finally gives it the attention it deserves.

Improve the software Tim. That's all it really takes. An i7 6950k with a GTX 1080 and a 4K display is useless IF all I can do is play candy crush and watch movies
That's hyperbole, I can do more on my 2 MacBooks than that.
 
By your logic all of the success of Apple is Jibs and the failures are Tims. I'm spreading it around a little more equitably. Obvious Steve was responsible for the success and the iPad failure as well as Tim is responsible for success and some failure. Tim invented 5s and 6, which set the stage for Apple to become worlds most valuable.
The iPad failed because after Jobs passed away, Tim didnt give it the attention it deserves. The iPhone was given the attention it deserved and in spades and it was sucessful. When you dont give attention to a product line sales decline. As an iPad Air 2 owner there is no iPad on the market currently which is worth an upgrade. And you wonder why sales decline
 
The iPad failed because after Jobs passed away, Tim didnt give it the attention it deserves. The iPhone was given the attention it deserved and in spades and it was sucessful. When you dont give attention to a product line sales decline. As an iPad Air 2 owner there is no iPad on the market currently which is worth an upgrade. And you wonder why sales decline
The iPad failed because Jobs didnt see where the market was headed and didn't setup the iPad appropriately. iOw jobs didn't do his job and left Tim holding the figurative bag on this. The entry level iPads will jump start this again.
 
The iPad failed because Kobs didnt see where the market was headed and didn't setup the iPad appropriately. iOw jobs didn't do his job and left Tim holding the figurative bag on this

If that was the case the iPad wouldn't be the top tablet in sales currently. Jobs setup the tablet perfectly. Tim failed to maintain it As an Android fan I can confidently say that under 500 as a value for money tablet there is nothing better than the iPad . Amd what you are implying is that all successes belong to Tim and all failures to Job.
 
You didn't read the person I quoted. He was saying ipad sales were decking because everyone was satisfied with their iPad. I was implying that PC sales are declining because it's easy to upgrade desktops and people are satisfied with their laptops.This is evidenced because Intel and NVIDIA had record quarters when PC sales declined

There is no excuse for iPad sales decline as they are made obsolete every 5 years and cannot be upgraded
Ah, see, I thought you were using this as an example that computers just lasted longer because you had this tower from 2009. I think if you'd said up front you'd upgraded the mobo and whatnot, I wouldn't have been confused.

That being said I think the main reason desktop sales are declining is really because fewer people want desktops, and they're either switching to laptops or ditching a traditional computer all together in favor of their phones.

It's important to remember that Intel and Nvidia don't make all of their money from chips. They also make a lot by licensing out technology and developing stuff unrelated to the desktop computing space. Most of the average consumers I know don't have desktops anymore, and they just don't want them.
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Hopefully Tim will realise his mistake sooner rather than later. But somehow I doubt it. He is too obsessed with the iPhone to care about anything else. I hope as the sales continue to decline he finally gives it the attention it deserves.

Improve the software Tim. That's all it really takes. An i7 6950k with a GTX 1080 and a 4K display is useless IF all I can do is play candy crush and watch movies
I mean... not if what you want to do is play candy crush and watch movies, right? It's definitely overkill, that's for sure. Is that what you meant? Because to my eye software that takes advantage of the available hardware is the least of Apple's current issues, it's the "available hardware" part that's in the tank...
 
If that was the case the iPad wouldn't be the top tablet in sales currently. Jobs setup the tablet perfectly. Tim failed to maintain it As an Android fan I can confidently say that under 500 as a value for money tablet there is nothing better than the iPad . Amd what you are implying is that all successes belong to Tim and all failures to Job.
Can't keep moving the line in the sand. The reason for the "decline" is poor planning on Jobs' part that left Tim holding the virtual bag. The reason they sell well is a combination of stability, form, function and ecosystem. What you are saying is that all successes belong to Jobs and all failures belong to Tim.
 
Not surprised by Microsoft's win here.

Am surprised that Samsung is almost tied with Apple. Have been sorely disappointed with every Samsung tablet I've ever tried.

Agreed. It must be the price difference. I've never owned an Android tablet but the 3 I've used (a friends, and two at work) have been atrocious in comparison to the iPads I've owned over the years.
 
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Using JDP's methodology, anyone with access to Google can type in "JD Power flawed methodology" and find >94k reasons why not to listen to JDP.
 
The Surface is a laptop disguised as a tablet. Sure it can be used as a tablet but of the 5 friends of mine who own surface/pros I've never seen them use it in any other way than as a laptop. They all own the optional mouse you can buy as well which is about as any-tablet as you can get. I've used my mom's and I'll admit it's a nice device but I would'nt get one over an Apple laptop

It runs a full OS which is nice in comparison to iPad but at that point just get a MacBook (smaller footprint) or MBP for that matter.

MS has come a long way in build quality/design but it still feels flimsy to me compared to a MB or MBP
 
Apple's approach is the sell you 2 devices: A MacBook & an iPad.

If I could only own one computing device, obviously it wouldn't be a Fisher Price iPad. Clearly the Surface is a more powerful computer. Duh.

Their approach is actually four devices: A MacBook, an iPad, a phone, and a watch. Ka-ching!
 
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Wow, how original. Could you elaborate at all on how it applies to my post that you quoted?

Let's see:



Are you saying the iPad doesn't have full programs or a file system?



Do you really disagree that most users would benefit from using an iPad as their computer? They've all seemed to already move to iOS or Android devices for their primary computing.

And what about use cases where one would need a Mac or Windows? This comment also require one to drink koolaid to understand?



Hmm, I posted actual annual sales stats that shows this comment to be true. But maybe koolaid is also needed here to help one's reading comprehension?
Let's see, I'll open Photoshop on my Mac. Now I'll open Photoshop on an iPad. BLIMEY! They aren't the same!

I need to create some new comps in After Effects, WHAT THE? There's no After Effects app??

Okay, I want to download a PDF from Outlook to my desktop and then attach it to another email. OMG I can't download the file to anywhere except some other cloud storage app?

LOL what kind of work do you do? Chief note taker?
 
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It's like I said - the people moaning about the lack of legacy PC features are the minority here. They just don't know it yet.

One of the biggest turnoffs from using an iPad is how much time has to be invested into making a semi-decent workflow.

It's like a puzzle, trying to get all the right apps and make them play together.

"Oh, you want to view this file? You'll need a different app. Oh, you want to work on this file now? Yet another app please."

Being able to store files in folders isn't "legacy" at all.
 
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Let's see, I'll open Photoshop on my Mac. Now I'll open Photoshop on an iPad. BLIMEY! They aren't the same!

I need to create some new comps in After Effects, WHAT THE? There's no After Effects app??

Okay, I want to download a PDF from Outlook to my desktop and then attach it to another email. OMG I can't download the file to anywhere except some other cloud storage app?

LOL what kind of work do you do? Chief note taker?

And once again you fail to miss the point.

Did I say anywhere that everyone should be using iPad? I said for most users it would be optimal, and that for some a Mac or Windows PC is still needed.

Something simple like your PDF from email and then attaching to another is quite possible on iPad (and iPhone) but that's beside the point.
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One of the biggest turnoffs from using an iPad is how much time has to be invested into making a semi-decent workflow.

It's like a puzzle, trying to get all the right apps and make them play together.

"Oh, you want to view this file? You'll need a different app. Oh, you want to work on this file now? Yet another app please."

Being able to store files in folders isn't "legacy" at all.

He's not wrong though. A lot of these very specific processes are needed by a very small percentage of computing users.

But even so, regarding files and different apps. Say you want to open a cad drawing, or powerpoint document, if you're on MacOS or Windows, do you not need to use the required apps on those platforms to open those specific files as well?
 
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He's not wrong though. A lot of these very specific processes are needed by a very small percentage of computing users.

But even so, regarding files and different apps. Say you want to open a cad drawing, or powerpoint document, if you're on MacOS or Windows, do you not need to use the required apps on those platforms to open those specific files as well?

Normally, files are grouped by project or subject.

If you have a project (work, school, even things like taxes), you might toss all the relevant stuff in a folder (or in subfolders). Then, you can open the relevant/chosen app for any of the files from that folder.

My CAD files are stored within the same place as the text documents, photos, PDFs, saved emails, office documents, etc. Then I can quickly find what I need, share it, back it up, or move the entire project to another device/person in a moment.

I don't want to have to split my files across each app. It's such a pain doing even simple things that require any kind of cross-file work in iOS, and the organization becomes tedious if not messy.
 
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The surface seems great, I'll be probably buying an iPad Pro or a Surface this year. Let's see what comes with the Surface Pro 5 and the new iPP.

The most important feature for the surface came a few days ago. Netflix download for offline streming on Win10! :D
 
And don't forget multiple accounts availabilty on Surface.
For those surprised about Samsung ranking. Could it be for Samsung tablets running W10?
 
Normally, files are grouped by project or subject.

If you have a project (work, school, even things like taxes), you might toss all the relevant stuff in a folder (or in subfolders). Then, you can open the relevant/chosen app for any of the files from that folder.

My CAD files are stored within the same place as the text documents, photos, PDFs, saved emails, office documents, etc. Then I can quickly find what I need, share it, back it up, or move the entire project to another device/person in a moment.

I don't want to have to split my files across each app. It's such a pain doing even simple things that require any kind of cross-file work in iOS, and the organization becomes tedious if not messy.

That I agree with and think organizing files in such a manner is important.

I use a few apps on iOS to access all of my files the same way I would view them on a Mac, but there is room for improvement. For example, I can use iCloud Drive to browse through most of my files, and tapping a spreadsheet can allow me to open it in Numbers and then jump back to iCloud Drive when done viewing/editing. But I'd like to see apps provide more support for certain file types so they can be opened and then saved back to their original location.
 
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