I guess that's fair enough, doesn't make a huge difference to my choice, actually it makes it more evenly balanced!
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Microsoft Unveils Xbox One, an All-In-One Entertainment System with Revamped Kinect and Fully Integrated SmartGlass
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I guess that's fair enough, doesn't make a huge difference to my choice, actually it makes it more evenly balanced!
Did anyone else think about Apple during the Xbox One event?
The new Xbox One can turn on your TV, it seems instantly quick, multitasking (live NFL game and Fantasy football updates), pretty decent interface, etc.
I love my Apple TV, but this new xbox might make me use the ATV a little less.
Now would be the time for Apple to unveil what they have been cooking up in Cali. Which could be sooner than we think because of the increased competition.
Thoughts?
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Sony had a load of hype with the PS3's hardware, but fell flat on their face with a couple of architecture decisions and had developers furiously working to get anywhere near the 360's real world performance. Shared memory and an incredibly inefficient OS (initially especially, an absolute joke) - painful watching its journey.
I couldn't agree more. It will be very interesting to see the results on such similar platforms. 'Bog standard' x86 hardware is much more interesting to me (as someone that probably won't buy either
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Apple did PPC emulation and it was a great (for the most part) experience. So I don't see the issue if it's done well.
My view on voice controls in general:
Voice controls will not be widely used until they are truly intuitive and cross platform. Saying "ok glass - take a picture" just doesn't work. In fact, for simple tasks like this gestures or eye movements or something like that would probably work better. (More complex controls would require voice)
Also I personally, and I'm sure many other people will want to limit or completely not use voice controls in public. I don't want the entire room knowing what I'm texting someone etc.!
So IMO voice controls can never be the sole way to do anything. In some cases it just doesn't work/is odd, and in the majority of cases you don't really want to use it unless you are on your own or at the max around friends/family. I at least want the option to do whatever I want to do another way, I don't want to have to wait til I'm alone to reply to messages/google that thing that might make me seem just a little odd.
(Plus what happens to mutes, or when you lose your voice?! )
Voice controls will not be widely used until they are truly intuitive and cross platform. Saying "ok glass - take a picture" just doesn't work. In fact, for simple tasks like this gestures or eye movements or something like that would probably work better. (More complex controls would require voice)
Also I personally, and I'm sure many other people will want to limit or completely not use voice controls in public. I don't want the entire room knowing what I'm texting someone etc.!
So IMO voice controls can never be the sole way to do anything. In some cases it just doesn't work/is odd, and in the majority of cases you don't really want to use it unless you are on your own or at the max around friends/family. I at least want the option to do whatever I want to do another way, I don't want to have to wait til I'm alone to reply to messages/google that thing that might make me seem just a little odd.
(Plus what happens to mutes, or when you lose your voice?!
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The thing is, microsoft have no reason to. It'll cost a lot to get right, and will still likely be worse than the original experience so people will complain a lot...
At best they spend a shed load of money, make a useable system and lose revenue on new games, and at worst they spend the money, get criticism/bad press because it's medicore or even bad and they still lose revenue from game sales!
The only way it would really be a good idea is if it cost little to get it right, and then only to encourage sales of the new console.
Still - it would be nice
They both ugly but if its the same or better than the xbox 360 console im 100% it will continue to be the best and most comfortable.
It totally does depend on what you play, but Sony have always had the most and best exclusives out of the two (by best I mean ratings, personal opinions aside). I'm going for PS4 because;
- Being able to play PS4 games on my Vita
- Sharing screenshots and videos
- Playstation Plus is the best thing this gen, I hope it continues to be good in the next
- Xbox controller has no enhancements compared to what the PS4 and Wii U are doing
- Backwards compatibility (xbox one doesn't support any) through Streaming
I was really hoping MS would equal what Sony was saying and add on to it, but they were left behind. I'm sure they will announce more before launch. But overall the Xbox One focuses more on media than games it seems, whereas the PS4 reveal was way more game-orientated (which is what I want in a console).
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The Microsoft Xbox One suggests directions Apple may takeif it ever decides to introduce an iTV.
The fuller integration of gaming with television, music, etc. all makes sense. Voice as well as motion commands are welcome and suggest the possibility of making remote controls redundant. From these standpoints this is all positive. And Microsoft might be congratulated for realizing such steps into the future, even as in time they will be more fully perfected by possibly themselves or others.
However, something this article did not mention, but others have, are other functions of such a device perhaps not as welcome or benign. The Xbox One also has the ability to record 1080p RGB video at 30 frames per second with its main camera. As well, to monitor the heartbeat of those using it. Why? What do either have with a better television or gaming experience for the customer (er, excuse me, "consumer")?
Perhaps something. But one should understand that such devicesand this but forerunnerare viewed as a portal for corporations (and indeed governments) into one's home, and in fact into one's very self. In somewhat similar fashion one might look to the growing installation and use of "smart" electric meters. In lesser implementations this will lead to better targeted marketing. To the extent revealed likely suggested as no more than this, and welcome to the extent it provides useful to one. But it goes far beyond that. At more immersive levels nothing less than a window into your home and soul by those who have no great regard for either. From not just spy but to insidious manipulation by those having perfected this largely hidden craft for decades to a fine and very dark art.
It is a brave new world. Ever so convenient and wonderful in some respects. As well, very much a double edged sword. One might consider this in how such things are usedor allowed to influence.
The Microsoft Xbox One suggests directions Apple may takeif it ever decides to introduce an iTV.The fuller integration of gaming with television, music, etc. all makes sense. Voice as well as motion commands are welcome and suggest the possibility of making remote controls redundant. From these standpoints this is all positive. And Microsoft might be congratulated for realizing such steps into the future, even as in time they will be more fully perfected by possibly themselves or others.
However, something this article did not mention, but others have, are other functions of such a device perhaps not as welcome or benign. The Xbox One also has the ability to record 1080p RGB video at 30 frames per second with its main camera. As well, to monitor the heartbeat of those using it. Why? What do either have with a better television or gaming experience for the customer (er, excuse me, "consumer")?
Perhaps something. But one should understand that such devicesand this but forerunnerare viewed as a portal for corporations (and indeed governments) into one's home, and in fact into one's very self. In somewhat similar fashion one might look to the growing installation and use of "smart" electric meters. In lesser implementations this will lead to better targeted marketing. To the extent revealed likely suggested as no more than this, and welcome to the extent it provides useful to one. But it goes far beyond that. At more immersive levels nothing less than a window into your home and soul by those who have no great regard for either. From not just spy but to insidious manipulation by those having perfected this largely hidden craft for decades to a fine and very dark art.
It is a brave new world. Ever so convenient and wonderful in some respects. As well, very much a double edged sword. One might consider this in how such things are usedor allowed to influence.
Sony has already reported that with R&D burden was mostly on AMD. They can sell these consoles at a lower price and at a profit instead of at a loss. It is just integration of off the shelf hardware. Even so, with the custom silicon it is based on Jaguar which AMD is using for other systems and R&D used for the PS4/Xbox will come back to the consumer x86 side.Sony had a load of hype with the PS3's hardware, but fell flat on their face with a couple of architecture decisions and had developers furiously working to get anywhere near the 360's real world performance. Shared memory and an incredibly inefficient OS (initially especially, an absolute joke) - painful watching its journey.
I couldn't agree more. It will be very interesting to see the results on such similar platforms. 'Bog standard' x86 hardware is much more interesting to me (as someone that probably won't buy either
My issue with consoles (XBox, PS4 and WiiU) is that many people see them as just games consoles. And many people loathe to pay near $500 for a console when they won't play it as much as the consoles of yesteryear. Add in the fact a large percentage of the console's target markets already have smartphones and/or tablets. This is an extra expense many people today can not justify.
The second issue is back in yesteryear (and of recent the Wii did this well) is market consoles and console games to kids/teenagers. They have the time to play these kind of consoles, no full time job and no other adult worries. But instead they market these consoles to 20+ year olds who have limited time to play the console. So apart from the hardcore gamer who already has cash waiting for a pre-order of their favourite console, everyone else is saying (are consoles really worth it in today's changing world? Add in the fact that $500 is a lot of money to many people. This is making consoles as a whole a very tough sale.
And the crowd that understands the non-gaming aspects to these consoles are like "meh I already have this with TV or whatever else." I would argue the golden age of console gaming of over. Sure we'll have to see Xbox and PS4 sales figures to really know this. But I think all the casuals (who out number the hardcore gamer) are moving to the devices they already own, desktop/notebook computer or tablet/phone. And is the hardcore crowd large enough itself to fully keep the Xbox or PS4 profitable?
The second issue is back in yesteryear (and of recent the Wii did this well) is market consoles and console games to kids/teenagers. They have the time to play these kind of consoles, no full time job and no other adult worries. But instead they market these consoles to 20+ year olds who have limited time to play the console. So apart from the hardcore gamer who already has cash waiting for a pre-order of their favourite console, everyone else is saying (are consoles really worth it in today's changing world? Add in the fact that $500 is a lot of money to many people. This is making consoles as a whole a very tough sale.
And the crowd that understands the non-gaming aspects to these consoles are like "meh I already have this with TV or whatever else." I would argue the golden age of console gaming of over. Sure we'll have to see Xbox and PS4 sales figures to really know this. But I think all the casuals (who out number the hardcore gamer) are moving to the devices they already own, desktop/notebook computer or tablet/phone. And is the hardcore crowd large enough itself to fully keep the Xbox or PS4 profitable?
That is one horrible bit of design right there.
The controller looks ok. but nowhere near as nice as the 360 controller... but it does have 40+ improvements which look great.
The kinect I am not getting at all... why is it in two bits?
and the console... 1997 DVD player. I had a toshiba slot loader that looked Identical.
And didn't Sony swap to a tray as the slots were unreliable?
The controller looks ok. but nowhere near as nice as the 360 controller... but it does have 40+ improvements which look great.
The kinect I am not getting at all... why is it in two bits?
and the console... 1997 DVD player. I had a toshiba slot loader that looked Identical.
And didn't Sony swap to a tray as the slots were unreliable?
You know why they call it the Xbox One? Because all you have to do is take one look at it before turning around 360 degrees and walking away.
The thing is WAY too big. I thought we would see a reduction in size. Guess not.
Don't forget your Kinect is mandatory as well! Time to clear up more space around your TV.
Don't forget your Kinect is mandatory as well! Time to clear up more space around your TV.
You need to remember that all new premium consoles comes at a significant price. You are ready that "Most" people wont fork out 400-600 dollars for these machines, but most people have never done that. The casual gamer jumps on consoles once they hit the 250 dollars price range. And then a lot jump in at 200 dollars bundled with games.
The first year-two years is for enthusiasts who want the latest and who are passionate about video games. I think a lot of young men in America sees gaming as their main hobby. Games like Call of Duty is almost a lifestyle to a lot of teenagers.
Secondly, you need to look at the Wii U and see how in big trouble Nintendo is. The completely killed a lot of their good will, by going for the same success as the Wii. The truth is that people bought a lot fewer games for their Wii than people did for their PS3 and Xbox. This could mean that Wii was more of a novelty and didnt have the long term fun and good games, that the other two had. Game sales is where the money is made, not in the amount of consoles sold.
"What an ugly box" is all the Google and Apple fanboys have to say about the XBOX One, because Google TV and Apple TV (in its current incarnation) have just had their tushes served to them.
Yeah. I'm all for build quality and general quality. I am more concerned about RROD annd stuff likem that. So far they have said the noise from the fans will be 4 times lower than 360 even though the power used is slightly higher. More silent console FTW!
We dont know about the HDD, we dont know about the graphics card, we know the ram is still DDR3. We havent seen if there will be more colors. I really need to see this in person to pass judgement but I think they should make some more colors.
Seems like everybody is getting into the TV business right now. I wonder if Apple has missed the boat with any Apple Television. All the key features are already available with other manufacturers right now. Maybe they should just stick with the current AppleTV box and go head-to-head with the XBox and PS4 instead.
Don't forget, turning 360 degrees means you're going the same way you went before.
The Xbox One looks pretty interesting. If I get any of the eighth-generation consoles, it'll be that one. My PS3 went almost completely unused.