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Agree you'll love it
Yeah, loved it when I had my S7 edge.

Wireless charging and fast charge are great features when at times you would rather use them or need them. Fast charge is huge certainly when at work or you are going out straight after work for example
 
If we put all the rumors together for the "iPhone 8" can we all just agree that no one has half a clue?

Its easy for the 8/Pro/X:

Curved OLED
Wireless charging
USB-C with Fast Charging
Touch Action area (no home)
Much more expensive
Slightly better cameras
Face recognition

That's it. Seems like all the rumors add up to the above product. Yay
It's a way to get iphones > $1000 ongoing as next year there will be no lightning (like 7s/7s+)
Significantly Higher RPU in 2018 for the "future generation of iPhone" sales pitch
That's what you do in a declining sector.

Look at record players prices way up.
 
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So it will include a cable like the one offered for iPad Pro right?

MK0X2

Wondering if the charging cube will be updated as well.

While I don't personally find any confusion between Lightning and USB-C, some have expressed this as a reason why Apple would never include Lightning on a Mac. That said, looking at this cable, I can imagine some confusion figuring out which end plugs into what. Add to that the USB-A connector is like an electrical outlet standard now -- in fact I have electrical wall plugs with USB-A connectors built-in. Switching to USB-C now would be the equivalent of the US adopting a European plug standard, and Apple shipping only EU type connectors the first year following the adoption of the new standard. And now that I see the potential confusion with a cable like this, it's even more evident.

The time for Apple to move to USB-C is when they phase out Lightning on the iPhone, if not the iPad. Even the new MacBooks is not widespread enough to warrant saddling an iPhone or iPad customer with mostly incompatible charging technology.
 
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Because the WiFi in my house is inconsistent and prone to dropouts and I don't want to spare the bandwidth. I'd rather just tether and be able to control the process and timing 100%.
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BTW the data on my phone is worth more than the material cost of the phone itself. Silly argument you make. Everyone should backup but it doesn't matter what method they use.

If you are making ONE backup, then your data is not really backed up. It doesn't matter what method they use, as long as it's more than one method.
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So, Apple has courage to remove the headphone jack but doesn't have the courage to replace the lightning connector with a USB-c connector? Please.

Apple planned the Lightning connector years in advance, and 2 years before USB-C existed.

Too bad Apple doesn't read these forums, there's some great advice from armchair engineers in here!
 
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true, but the issue with those phones is the word "android".
Software is key.

Sure is and iOS is the key to a walled garden with almost zero customizability or power user options.

The Android experience is virtually identical to the Apple experience for anyone with basic technology expertise. Better or similar performance, same major app providers, same basic user interface operation, similar terminology ... the major differentiator is that iOS is being dumbed down to the point of idiocy.

Even though I use multiple Macs for workflow and have done for thirty years I would never buy an iPhone. Software is key, and unless you want to be locked in Android is the way to escape.
 
I've never had to replace my charge cords and I'm a pretty clumsy person with plate sized hands.
I shudder to think what you do to those poor cables.
Let my kids plug and unplug the phones.

The funny thing is that the phone cord in my car shed its outer insulation, and has lasted 3 years. It looks like $#$%, but it has the strength and functionality intact.
 
Right?! I'm also glad Apple is immune to third party manufacturing defects. It's not like it happened before. :)
I mean, point taken, but the Note 7 batteries were manufactured by a division of Samsung. So, not third party. They were also blowing up partially due to quality control issues and phone design and manufacturing defects, which are very first-party issues.
 
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All three iPhones rumored to be launched in 2017 will retain Lightning connectors with the addition of USB-C Power Delivery for faster charging, including an all-new OLED model with a larger L-shaped battery and updated 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch models, according to KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

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An excerpt from his latest research note obtained by MacRumors:Kuo expects Apple to retain the Lightning port given it has a slightly slimmer design compared to a USB-C port, to sustain MFi Program licensing income from Lightning accessories, and because he believes USB-C's high-speed data transmission is "still a niche application" for iPhone.

The 12.9-inch iPad Pro already supports USB 3.0 speeds and fast charging with a Lightning to USB-C cable, while iPhones and other devices with a Lightning connector still transfer at USB 2.0 speeds.

Kuo's prediction comes just two days after The Wall Street Journal seemingly reported that at least one upcoming iPhone model would have a USB-C port instead of a Lightning connector. However, the report's wording was somewhat vague and sparked a lot of confusing reaction among the Apple community.

Apple's latest MacBook Pro models are equipped with Thunderbolt 3 ports, which share the same connector design as USB-C, while the 12-inch MacBook also has a USB-C port. Apple could still bundle a Lightning to USB-C cable with its next iPhones to allow for connectivity with those notebooks out of the box.

Article Link: Ming-Chi Kuo Says All 2017 iPhones Will Have Lightning Connectors With USB-C Fast Charging
To clarify, does this just mean "fast charge" in a lighting cable and port?
 
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Until the next thing comes along? You make it sound like USB-C is the last cable anyone will ever need.
Well, it's actually more possible than you might think, if the wireless trend ramps up over the next few years. By the time USB-C is as old as USB-A, the majority of consumer devices may literally be unable to connect to cables.
 
I've heard it suggested that Apple could hypothetically make a single "opening" with a hybrid controller that accepts both Lightning and USB-C connectors. That would be really interesting transition strategy.

Although it seems unlike Apple, who prefers to cut and run. But with 1.5 billion Lightning devices in use, that may not be possible.
 
There we go. I wouldn't mind USB-C for all devices, but I just don't see Apple going through the pain of doing so now when they are clearly heading towards zero wires soon.
2017 (8), 2018 (8S), 2019 (9) = lightning and wireless charging
2020 = iPhone 10 wireless only

Given the irony of being able to plug any modern smartphone into the rMB or the new MBP without any dongles except for Apple's own headset means that late is probably better than never for the USB-C change.
 
What is it with apl fans that do the same?
2006

He headed up Surface Hub 100-point multitouch, ran Perceptive Pixel sold it to Microsoft
Yet most Apl folks think Steve Jobs invented Multi-touch..he did not. Jeff did. But Iphone was first yada yada.

These were all concepts and I remember watching them on youtube and waiting for them to hit the shops. But it didn't happen. Name one consumer product that had it before iPhone. I don't give a flying monkey how many fantasies tech companies through around. I salute the ones who make them reality and available for me to buy.
 
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Sure is and iOS is the key to a walled garden with almost zero customizability or power user options.

The Android experience is virtually identical to the Apple experience for anyone with basic technology expertise. Better or similar performance, same major app providers, same basic user interface operation, similar terminology ... the major differentiator is that iOS is being dumbed down to the point of idiocy.

Even though I use multiple Macs for workflow and have done for thirty years I would never buy an iPhone. Software is key, and unless you want to be locked in Android is the way to escape.
Glad that works for you. With my iPhone and Android devices sitting right next to me here, I can confidently state that I much prefer the locked-down experience of iOS. I like the security of the locked-down software environment, and I have all the customization I actually want (wallpapers and sounds, basically) without the uncertainty of possibly having to learn a new launcher scheme every time I upgrade.

It's very stable, predictable, and the heavily controlled App Store means that the general quality of my available apps is higher. Android is fun to mess around with, but when I actually want to accomplish something with a phone, I always pick up my iPhone.

So either I'm an idiot, as you seem to think, or two perfectly reasonable people can have different needs and expectations of their devices that are met by different operating systems.
 
We could have had a future where the only cable we need is USB-C. Instead, we will have 2 different cables.
The key word is future. The time for that is not now. Both Lightning and USB-A are far more ubiquitous. USB-C needs some major time to gain ground.

You don't just make the switch because the port of the future now exists.
 
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1. OLED wasn't mature and Apple has to manufacture 50M+ of them. Not so easy.
2. Agreed, but no curve please.
3. Big batteries != Battery life
4. Fast charging would be nice. 12w chargers helps a bit.
5. Is nice, but causes more heat with the body being glass and the charge being wireless.

Looking at these points it's no wonder the Note 7 exploded.

1. Copout. Just because OLED wasn't widely used doesn't mean that companies shouldn't invest in futuristic tech. Heck, even the PS Vita featured an OLED screen on its initial models. Samsung owns the best OLED panels now. Yes, Apple doesn't manufacture its own panels, but it is still better to offer the best products possible. Many Android users would switch over if Apple offered comparable hardware without any compromises. I would trade off an A10 processor for quick charging, wireless charging, etc.

2. Curved displays are popular in the market now. HTC is rumored to get into the mix while other Chinese OEMs are exploring different devices.

3. I am not a fan of the bulky iPhone plus models compared to the S7/S7E size. Compartmentalization is key. Apple needs to put forth more effort into this. Treading cautiously is important because iPhones and Galaxy Notes exploded in 2016. There is less evidence to show that it's a design flaw with the 7/7+. It's not like the Note 7 with Samsung admitting fault.

4. Fast charging is a must have. I think Apple will need to ditch their current iPhone chargers and come out with better and more powerful ones.

5. A return to a glass body is inevitable since it is more aesthetically pleasing and popular amongst Galaxy users.

The Note 7 exploded because Samsung rushed out a product. Not QC devices will not lead to the idea that too beefy of a battery in such small area could lead to major end user issues.
 
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If you are making ONE backup, then your data is not really backed up. It doesn't matter what method they use, as long as it's more than one method.
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Yes, very true. Always prudent to have vital data backup up in the cloud or at a remote location plus an on-site hard drive backup of some sort like Time Machine plus portable backup of vital data on a flash drive (I keep that in a fire proof safe). Personally, I have separate main drives for music, photos, videos, and documents. That way if any one of those drives fails I only have to be concerned with recovering that data.
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If we put all the rumors together for the "iPhone 8" can we all just agree that no one has half a clue?

I think if you look at the next Galaxy flagship and compare iPhone rumors we do have a good, not perfect idea, of what is to come. Obviously the fine details are going to be fuzzy, but not complete obscured. Most of the rumors are really common sense for a phone that needs to keep up with the marketplace and took a breather last update.
 
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