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Wow, and I thought I was the only one that felt like this. It's a weird cycle.....I jailbreak my iPhone and it's great for a while. Then I start to notice the problems it bring(mainly lag) and I also get bored of any theme that I have. The next thing you know......I'm back to a stock iPhone again. I believe this cycle will continue for a while to come...
 
Wow, and I thought I was the only one that felt like this. It's a weird cycle.....I jailbreak my iPhone and it's great for a while. Then I start to notice the problems it bring(mainly lag) and I also get bored of any theme that I have. The next thing you know......I'm back to a stock iPhone again. I believe this cycle will continue for a while to come...

Page 16 yeah...This is going to be that thread that defines macrumors. :eek:

Keep it going... This thread is like the Roland Burris of Macrumors. Somehow it just appeared one day and it won't leave no matter how hard you try. :D
 
for those of you who have not jailbroken.... consider yourselves virgins.
you have no idea what you're missing :D

So what about us "hoes" that have JB'n literally hundreds of times and go back to stock quickly because of the lag?
 
So what about us "hoes" that have JB'n literally hundreds of times and go back to stock quickly because of the lag?

quoted for truth. You guys are out of your minds if you think JBing your phone doesnt cause it to slow down. search ' stock iphone vs jailbroken iphone speed' on youtube and maybe it will put your argument to rest.
 
So what about us "hoes" that have JB'n literally hundreds of times and go back to stock quickly because of the lag?

What about the "REAL" hoes who have only needed to jailbreak a handful of times and have never gone back to stock and enjoy their non laggy iPhone's? :)
 
quoted for truth. You guys are out of your minds if you think JBing your phone doesnt cause it to slow down. search ' stock iphone vs jailbroken iphone speed' on youtube and maybe it will put your argument to rest.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Quoted for DECIET. Wow. I'm going to assume that your statement was in jest because I don't want to believe we have that many dumb people on Macrumors.

Computers, and the iPhone is just that, slow down when more applications are running. JAILBREAKING does NOT slow down your phone. Installing so much there is no virtual memory/page locations left does. Running too many background apps will (only possible when JB'd). Nothing inherant about the process does slow down your phone.

Like I mentioned. My phone is Jailbroken and I keep plenty of free space and don't use any backgrounded apps and don't use Winterboard. I'll put yours side by side with mine any day to prove to you that mine runs just as fast.

If you know nothing of the subject of memory usage and how programs run, don't go here spewing feces around the forums about how "it's proven!!! Look at Youtube where sum nubbie installed a bunch of crap on his phone and it now runs slower!"

Take a class about computer architecture and tell me how jailbreaking a phone (removing a signed software check) would slow anything down. Until then... don't talk. :cool:

SUMMARY: Jailbreaking doesn't slow down your phone. It just gives an idiot the power to do that themselves. If you can't handle the power, don't do it. Also, don't complain that jailbreaking lagged your phone. Instead say, "I installed too much junk and now my phone runs slow"
 
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Quoted for DECIET. Wow. I'm going to assume that your statement was in jest because I don't want to believe we have that many dumb people on Macrumors.

Computers, and the iPhone is just that, slow down when more applications are running. JAILBREAKING does NOT slow down your phone. Installing so much there is no virtual memory/page locations left does. Running too many background apps will (only possible when JB'd). Nothing inherant about the process does slow down your phone.

Like I mentioned. My phone is Jailbroken and I keep plenty of free space and don't use any backgrounded apps and don't use Winterboard. I'll put yours side by side with mine any day to prove to you that mine runs just as fast.

If you know nothing of the subject of memory usage and how programs run, don't go here spewing feces around the forums about how "it's proven!!! Look at Youtube where sum nubbie installed a bunch of crap on his phone and it now runs slower!"

Take a class about computer architecture and tell me how jailbreaking a phone (removing a signed software check) would slow anything down. Until then... don't talk. :cool:

SUMMARY: Jailbreaking doesn't slow down your phone. It just gives an idiot the power to do that themselves. If you can't handle the power, don't do it. Also, don't complain that jailbreaking lagged your phone. Instead say, "I installed too much junk and now my phone runs slow"

Yeah sweet. Everyone says "You have to jailbreak, you don't know what you're missing" but, in order to get the goodies, you have to live with a slower phone. I'm sorry, but what's the point of jailbreaking if you're not going to install the mods like StatusNotifier, Intelliscreen, SBSettings, or Backgrounder?
 
Yeah sweet. Everyone says "You have to jailbreak, you don't know what you're missing" but, in order to get the goodies, you have to live with a slower phone. I'm sorry, but what's the point of jailbreaking if you're not going to install the mods like StatusNotifier, Intelliscreen, SBSettings, or Backgrounder?

Yup. I'm gladly living with a slightly slower phone to enjoy the additional functionality provided by those apps you mention and more. Happy now? ;)
 
Yeah sweet. Everyone says "You have to jailbreak, you don't know what you're missing" but, in order to get the goodies, you have to live with a slower phone. I'm sorry, but what's the point of jailbreaking if you're not going to install the mods like StatusNotifier, Intelliscreen, SBSettings, or Backgrounder?

I use Terminal a lot. I theme using SSH because I know what I'm doing. I do use Status Notifier but I don't notice a slow down since it's only one app that barely uses any resources.

Also, I like using Cycorder, having root access, attaching files to emails, having Mewseet, VLC player, SNES, GBA, NES, Genesis, Playstation, and MxTube, xGPS (turn by turn gps with voice, free if you Jailbreak), Categories because i have too many apps and I like to keep all my games in a folder.

Those are the things I do that don't slow me down but make me not be able to live without a Jailbreak.
 
I use Terminal a lot. I theme using SSH because I know what I'm doing. I do use Status Notifier but I don't notice a slow down since it's only one app that barely uses any resources.

Also, I like using Cycorder, having root access, attaching files to emails, having Mewseet, VLC player, SNES, GBA, NES, Genesis, Playstation, and MxTube, xGPS (turn by turn gps with voice, free if you Jailbreak), Categories because i have too many apps and I like to keep all my games in a folder.

Those are the things I do that don't slow me down but make me not be able to live without a Jailbreak.

Unfortunately not everyone is as savvy as others and have to settle for the round about way of installing things. I really don't think ispaz or orange dog are saying that jalbreaking the phone slows the phone down. But what is the use of jailbreaking if you don't load themes, third party apps and gagets. these are the things that slow the phone down. Catergories is a pig and slows the phone down, maybe not much. I have tried a lot of different jailbreak set ups and once the third party apps were loaded I noticed the phone wasn't as snappy as it was when it was stock.
Whether some call it lag or slowness to me it is apparent.

If you can share with us how to theme without WB, edit the code and other tricks I am all ears. I am not a programmer but would love to learn about it.
 
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Quoted for DECIET. Wow. I'm going to assume that your statement was in jest because I don't want to believe we have that many dumb people on Macrumors.

Computers, and the iPhone is just that, slow down when more applications are running. JAILBREAKING does NOT slow down your phone. Installing so much there is no virtual memory/page locations left does. Running too many background apps will (only possible when JB'd). Nothing inherant about the process does slow down your phone.

Like I mentioned. My phone is Jailbroken and I keep plenty of free space and don't use any backgrounded apps and don't use Winterboard. I'll put yours side by side with mine any day to prove to you that mine runs just as fast.

If you know nothing of the subject of memory usage and how programs run, don't go here spewing feces around the forums about how "it's proven!!! Look at Youtube where sum nubbie installed a bunch of crap on his phone and it now runs slower!"

Take a class about computer architecture and tell me how jailbreaking a phone (removing a signed software check) would slow anything down. Until then... don't talk. :cool:

SUMMARY: Jailbreaking doesn't slow down your phone. It just gives an idiot the power to do that themselves. If you can't handle the power, don't do it. Also, don't complain that jailbreaking lagged your phone. Instead say, "I installed too much junk and now my phone runs slow"

Just having cydia on your phone will make it slower. Try this as a test: open text messages; close it. (see how long it takes) now, open cydia; close it; open text messages; (notice how much longer it took?) I just did that right now using my gf's compared to my stock phone.


She has NOTHING installed from cydia/installer; yet mine turned on faster, turned off faster, connected to safari faster, and opened text messages and e-mail faster. What was the point of JBing you phone if you don't install any apps? Your post leaves many holes.

So sorry, I must have missed that day in school about computer architecture :confused:But until I see a JB iphone that runs as fast as my stock phone, i'll stop talking. You on the otherhand can keep continuing with your useless banter, kid. P.S. Take a class on grammar... until then... don't talk :cool:
 
Just having cydia on your phone will make it slower. Try this as a test: open text messages; close it. (see how long it takes) now, open cydia; close it; open text messages; (notice how much longer it took?) I just did that right now using my gf's compared to my stock phone.


She has NOTHING installed from cydia/installer; yet mine turned on faster, turned off faster, connected to safari faster, and opened text messages and e-mail faster. What was the point of JBing you phone if you don't install any apps? Your post leaves many holes.

So sorry, I must have missed that day in school about computer architecture :confused:But until I see a JB iphone that runs as fast as my stock phone, i'll stop talking. You on the otherhand can keep continuing with your useless banter, kid. P.S. Take a class on grammar... until then... don't talk :cool:

Yea, I realize my grammar isn't as good as my skills with computers, but I also don't go making posts on Grammar forums about usages of comas and semicolons.

I have done that with Cydia but I don't see any differences. I'll explain a little to you about what programs do when they run. Most CPU's have a Chache (really fast ram) and then memory (ram) and then there is normal storage space. Now when you run a program, Cydia for example, it loads it to the Ram and may have to free up spaces in the ram for it to fit. It then caches blocks of memory so it can have faster access to them, this happens often and gets cleared often. Now, if you exit Cydia, you then have to re load SMS and then the phone can start cacheing it. It should have the same effect if you open any large program and try to open your texting program. PS: if iPhone architecture works differently, then I'll admit that I am basing this on the way most computers work. I think that the ARM architecture is the same though.

If you use terminal or SSH you can do a command called 'top' which shows all running aps and their memory usage. When I close Cydia my usage is where it was before I opened it.

Also, you must have missed the post where I explained all that do without installing the apps that DO slow down one's phone. I'm not someone who just likes to say they "hacked" their phone by running a program they got off the internet. No bragging in that. I have use and if you don't, then don't bother with it.

@Spaz I wasn't trying to imply that you guys were saying that just Jailbreaking slows you down. More towards people like this Katuls guy. I'm not even going to make any more personal comments though, because I can only see it escalating to flaming.

If you want to know how to edit some of the themes manually to keep your phone fast I can point you in the direction of some treads. It requires the use of basic linux commands, but it isn't that hard to learn. I taught myself how to do a lot of Linux work by reading forums and I'd be glad to return the favor. All images on your phone are stored in specific folders, so if you can find the icons or the image files you can replace them with any ones you want. As long as the image is the same size it's not going to have any performance impact. What I do is download a theme, SSH to it and copy the images from it and manually do my replacing. The other option, no linux knowledge needed is to use an SFTP client. Cyberduck is one. you can also just Google "SFTP free Windows" or "SFTP free Mac" and find one.

To know where to put the images is a little trickier, I don't know where they go, per say, but I just Google what I'm doing. Like "ssh battery image iphone" and then I can find out how. the /Applications and the ~/Applications folders have icons for your Stock and App Store apps accordingly.

I should make a tread on ways to Jailbreak and stay fast. Haha

EDIT: forgot to address Categories. Yea, it's so slow, but only when it's loading up a category. it doesn't slow down the phone in general. It's annoying though to wait a minute for my category to open, that's why I only put my least used apps in them. I wish there was a faster version. Oh well.
 
Good Stuff^^^^

I have played with SSH to install deb files and to clean up some residue left behind on some programs that didn't install correctly.

I would love to be pointed to the sources/programs needed to mess aroundwith this phone. I couldn't care about crashing it, that is what restore is for. so many times I start reading threads and when someone asks how to, the typical reply is "if you don't know how to do it then you shouldn't because......"
After recovering the phone from a total wipe I am not too worried about screwing up something.

thanks for sharng your experieinces.

Catergories is a great program but damn is it slooooooooooooow.
 
Yea, I realize my grammar isn't as good as my skills with computers, but I also don't go making posts on Grammar forums about usages of comas and semicolons.

I have done that with Cydia but I don't see any differences. I'll explain a little to you about what programs do when they run. Most CPU's have a Chache (really fast ram) and then memory (ram) and then there is normal storage space. Now when you run a program, Cydia for example, it loads it to the Ram and may have to free up spaces in the ram for it to fit. It then caches blocks of memory so it can have faster access to them, this happens often and gets cleared often. Now, if you exit Cydia, you then have to re load SMS and then the phone can start cacheing it. It should have the same effect if you open any large program and try to open your texting program. PS: if iPhone architecture works differently, then I'll admit that I am basing this on the way most computers work. I think that the ARM architecture is the same though.

If you use terminal or SSH you can do a command called 'top' which shows all running aps and their memory usage. When I close Cydia my usage is where it was before I opened it.

Also, you must have missed the post where I explained all that do without installing the apps that DO slow down one's phone. I'm not someone who just likes to say they "hacked" their phone by running a program they got off the internet. No bragging in that. I have use and if you don't, then don't bother with it.

@Spaz I wasn't trying to imply that you guys were saying that just Jailbreaking slows you down. More towards people like this Katuls guy. I'm not even going to make any more personal comments though, because I can only see it escalating to flaming.

If you want to know how to edit some of the themes manually to keep your phone fast I can point you in the direction of some treads. It requires the use of basic linux commands, but it isn't that hard to learn. I taught myself how to do a lot of Linux work by reading forums and I'd be glad to return the favor. All images on your phone are stored in specific folders, so if you can find the icons or the image files you can replace them with any ones you want. As long as the image is the same size it's not going to have any performance impact. What I do is download a theme, SSH to it and copy the images from it and manually do my replacing. The other option, no linux knowledge needed is to use an SFTP client. Cyberduck is one. you can also just Google "SFTP free Windows" or "SFTP free Mac" and find one.

To know where to put the images is a little trickier, I don't know where they go, per say, but I just Google what I'm doing. Like "ssh battery image iphone" and then I can find out how. the /Applications and the ~/Applications folders have icons for your Stock and App Store apps accordingly.

I should make a tread on ways to Jailbreak and stay fast. Haha

EDIT: forgot to address Categories. Yea, it's so slow, but only when it's loading up a category. it doesn't slow down the phone in general. It's annoying though to wait a minute for my category to open, that's why I only put my least used apps in them. I wish there was a faster version. Oh well.

Thank you for clarifying the anatomy behind the iphone :rolleyes: I'm no genius when it comes to computers and how/why they work; I however like my electronics to run well, and usually can tell if something isn't running as well as normal. How or why, I don't know; but it seems to me that the apps I had previously installed from Cydia or Installer caused my phone to slow down. That's all there is to it. I'm not trying to flame you, just stating my quite extensive history of jailbreaking.
 
Just so that we're clear. I do enjoy SSHing into my iPhone from the Terminal and running commands and theming without WinterBoard. It's not very hard and NONE of that slows the phone down at all one bit. I did some research and simply installing Cydia does not affect the iPhone in any way. Here's what I did to get a lag free jailbreak:

Jailbreak
Install OpenSSH
Hide Cydia (I edited the info.plist with PropertyList Editor for SBAppTags)
Delete Installer.app
Then simply use your favorite FTP app to modify the resources of any App or sound. Then once you're done changing everything, type "killall SpringBoard" in the Terminal (Warning: This will temporarily break your usage stats). Then you can do what ever you want.

Jailbreaking brings out the geekieness in me and I do like to tinker, but for what? I changed one icon and one sound. It just wasn't worth it to me for the ability to tinker. Most things I want, I can get without jailbreaking. In fact, I can get the numerical battery indicator without jailbreaking too. (Yes, the real one that replaces the icon).

Have a good night folks. There you have it. Jailbreak with no lag.

One more thing. I'm pretty sure installing stuff like Cycorder won't cause any lag because it's a standalone app that isn't always running. So when you close it, it should end the process immediately. There's only a handful of Apps that aren't in the App Store already, so it doesn't matter to me.

I hope this was a helpful post. I don't really want anyone to feel flamed that I didn't like jailbreaking. In fact, I USED to LOVE it before the App Store. I couldn't live without jailbreaking. In fact, I still have a TON of old, old, old jailbreaking techniques and custom modified files saved on my computer from long ago when it was all I did was jailbreak and mod.

Just a sample of what I used to be into:
 

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This thread is getting more informative the longer it runs. Some of the thoughts being proferred are excellent.

Can people compile a list (keep adding to by using quote) of all JB'n apps that do not cause any lag. Lots of people keep posting "The lag is your fault, you don't know what to install" well heres a chance for people to educate others.
 
This thread is getting more informative the longer it runs. Some of the thoughts being proferred are excellent.

Can people compile a list (keep adding to by using quote) of all JB'n apps that do not cause any lag. Lots of people keep posting "The lag is your fault, you don't know what to install" well heres a chance for people to educate others.

Why not just go with the guideline that I stated in my previous posts on this topic?

An app is unlikely to cause any performance problems if it:

1) Doesn't use MobileSubstrate.

2) Doesn't require any persistent processes (i.e. background daemons.)

Done. Those are the only guidelines you need.

What was the point of JBing you phone if you don't install any apps?

Because there is a hell of a lot more software out there other than just WinterBoard and Intelliscreen.
 
I mainly use my JB Iphone with Status Notifier, Memtool (super RAM manager tool), UCWEB (alternative browser NOT base on webkit, much faster than safari), SwirlyMMS, Intelliscreen, Backgrounder, liveclock, Cycorder, Pixelpipe video upload enabler (upload cycorder videos to youtube through pixelpipe appstore app) liveweather, SBSettings (this one is ENOUGH to justify jailbreaking...not having wifi, bluetooth, etc, toggles buried in settings is a must), xGPS, hClippboard (copy+paste), Quicksms and Reflective Dock

I choosed not to use Winterboard because RAM is too precious on the iphone, although 128mb of RAM should be enough, has other smartphones show (symbian devices from Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsyng)

Frankly...i was used to symbian smartphones...if i did not jailbreak my iphone, it would be just a glorified fart player, i simply wouldn´t be able to stand it

All things considered...no, i don´t feel lack of speed on my phone...i have it jailbroken for 2 months, and only had problems with a crap app from installer called Kate (run from it)

To sum it all up...if you have very low expectations from what a smartphone is, don´t jailbreak...if not...
 
I mainly use my JB Iphone with Status Notifier, Memtool (super RAM manager tool), UCWEB (alternative browser NOT base on webkit, much faster than safari), SwirlyMMS, Intelliscreen, Backgrounder, liveclock, Cycorder, Pixelpipe video upload enabler (upload cycorder videos to youtube through pixelpipe appstore app) liveweather, SBSettings (this one is ENOUGH to justify jailbreaking...not having wifi, bluetooth, etc, toggles buried in settings is a must), xGPS, hClippboard (copy+paste), Quicksms and Reflective Dock

I choosed not to use Winterboard because RAM is too precious on the iphone, although 128mb of RAM should be enough, has other smartphones show (symbian devices from Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsyng)

Frankly...i was used to symbian smartphones...if i did not jailbreak my iphone, it would be just a glorified fart player, i simply wouldn´t be able to stand it

All things considered...no, i don´t feel lack of speed on my phone...i have it jailbroken for 2 months, and only had problems with a crap app from installer called Kate (run from it)

To sum it all up...if you have very low expectations from what a smartphone is, don´t jailbreak...if not...

Wow... Ummm... You use a lot of MobileSubstrate apps. No wonder you don't use Winterboard! Haha. I don't use SBsettings because it slows me down, Pixelpipe doesn't and is awesome. Youtube video upload. But nobody who isn't jailbroken can even record video, haha. Also, Backgrounder, Intelliscreen and Live Weather use processing time as well.

If you don't mind the effects of these, probably not too bad anyways, then it's fine to run it all, that's why they were made. :D But for those of you that are worried about your phone running slow, stay away from some of those.

@rez07 Sounds like a cool setup though.
 
I mainly use my JB Iphone with Status Notifier, Memtool (super RAM manager tool), UCWEB (alternative browser NOT base on webkit, much faster than safari), SwirlyMMS, Intelliscreen, Backgrounder, liveclock, Cycorder, Pixelpipe video upload enabler (upload cycorder videos to youtube through pixelpipe appstore app) liveweather, SBSettings (this one is ENOUGH to justify jailbreaking...not having wifi, bluetooth, etc, toggles buried in settings is a must), xGPS, hClippboard (copy+paste), Quicksms and Reflective Dock

I choosed not to use Winterboard because RAM is too precious on the iphone, although 128mb of RAM should be enough, has other smartphones show (symbian devices from Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsyng)

Frankly...i was used to symbian smartphones...if i did not jailbreak my iphone, it would be just a glorified fart player, i simply wouldn´t be able to stand it

All things considered...no, i don´t feel lack of speed on my phone...i have it jailbroken for 2 months, and only had problems with a crap app from installer called Kate (run from it)

To sum it all up...if you have very low expectations from what a smartphone is, don´t jailbreak...if not...

...And you're worried about RAM usage with all that crap installed? Try going jailbreak-less and you'll wonder how your iPhone turned into a speed machine.
 
...And you're worried about RAM usage with all that crap installed? Try going jailbreak-less and you'll wonder how your iPhone turned into a speed machine.

It just occured to me that part of the reason why the lag bothers some people less is that *they* are slower. Like, I've never noticed lags in key speed, probably because I'm very slow at typing on the iPhone. And most of what I do on my iPhone is reading. I don't play any of the fast-paced games, because, again, my reaction time is too slow to make it fun to play those types of games. So for me, speed isn't that important. Only time I might notice any lag is while waiting for apps to open. And that's something I'm willing to live with for the additional functionality of apps like SBSettings and Categories.
 
...And you're worried about RAM usage with all that crap installed? Try going jailbreak-less and you'll wonder how your iPhone turned into a speed machine.

#1 I did not complaint about speed

#2 with or without jailbreaking, the iphone as less than half the free RAM after boot of a symbian device like the Sony Ericsson p1, or the Nokia n95 8Gb, while having the same total 128mb

#3 What you call "crap" is present in every single recent and not so recent proper smartphone

#4 I´d like to tell you something else, but i must control myself...new year resolution, avoid answering to trolls
 
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