Are people really still arguing about this? People like aiqw9182 are off in their own self-confirming world. Anything you say, no matter how logical, will not register. Just ignore them. To the rest of us the facts speak for themselves.
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People like you just run away from an argument because you know you're wrong. Sad, when people ignore factual information that has been posted.
Totally missed the point, didn't you. He doesn't want a cheap laptop. Rather he, like myself and I'm sure many others, really like the aluminum design, and would rather the Macbook be made from that as well.
The argument here is that it would be trivial to make a "unibody aluminum Macbook", as opposed to a poly-carbonate one.
EDIT: And before someone jumps on me, I don't necessarily agree that it actually is just as easy to make an aluminum laptop as a plastic one.
"Yay"
How old are you? I don't mean to be condescending, but you write as if you have absolutely no idea about the real world as it is and how it works. Demanding proof is not smart, especially when common sense dictates the counter argument to your own is true.
For the record, I'm 52, trained as an aircraft engineer at Rolls Royce, have run my own design business for 30 years, and I now run my own software development business.
My experience of aluminium machining processes is as a machinist, designer, buyer and specifier.
My experience of the blow mould process is as a buyer and specifier.
But all I have to do is look at a $2 polycarbonate product to know it cost about 10c to make.
The cost [in weight] of the aluminium alone AFTER it's been machined, would exceed the retail cost of the polycarbonate product by a factor of 5 or 10, depending upon actual polycarbonate used and complexity of the product/mould.
How old are you? I don't mean to be condescending, but you write as if you have absolutely no idea about the real world as it is and how it works. Demanding proof is not smart, especially when common sense dictates the counter argument to your own is true.
For the record, I'm 52, trained as an aircraft engineer at Rolls Royce, have run my own design business for 30 years, and I now run my own software development business.
My experience of aluminium machining processes is as a machinist, designer, buyer and specifier.
My experience of the blow mould process is as a buyer and specifier.
But all I have to do is look at a $2 polycarbonate product to know it cost about 10c to make.
The cost [in weight] of the aluminium alone AFTER it's been machined, would exceed the retail cost of the polycarbonate product by a factor of 5 or 10, depending upon actual polycarbonate used and complexity of the product/mould.
Agreed, besides, Apple has been one step behind in the tech specs game after every update.
It's Apple's nature and culture to make users pay top dollar for slightly older tech.
I agree with JGowan though, if you aren't making mad money with your Mac, or indulging yourself in entertainment with your Mac, you'll just complain about it.
"piss people off. I've never seen someone just respond to every ***** person that they could find something to disagree about. Get off the computer, stop acting like you know everything"
You want to talk about condescending? That's it right there.
Just started reading from below, more insults.
"I have read the entire thread and all I've seen is you display your ignorance repetitively."
You worked in a plastic manufacturing plant? Oh how convenient.
Guess what buddy... aluminum doesn't cost a thing either making your argument null and void. You think aluminum costs more to manufacture than plastic when both can be recycled? Give me a break. Both of the manufacture processes costs are incredibly easy and cheap.
http://www.manufacturelink.com.au/news/view/apple-macbook-manufacturing-process.aspx
I love assumptions.
http://www.manufacturelink.com.au/news/view/apple-macbook-manufacturing-process.aspx
Well I do not care if you do not believe that I worked in a plastic factory. I did so I can lend you some insight on what happens to a substandard part. The mold opens and the part is unsatisfactory, it is then put in a machine (designated to be used only with parts made of the same color and material) that grinds it up. It is then transferred to the same bin that the same injection machine was sucking up to in the first place. Unless there is a color contamination or some grease from the machine got into the plastic it goes right back into melted down and made again. in the same room. you mess up a piece of aluminum and its getting shipped back to where it came from.
http://lowendmac.com/nash/08tn/unibody-macbooks.html
plus here's an article stating how the manufacturing process is more expensive for the aluminum over the plastic enclosures, though it is about the previous bodystyle macbook it is still the same plastic injection process.
p.s. a personal insult would be something like saying that you are a sad and angry little person who fulfills his need to be right by posting 30+ messages in a thread and doesn't accept when he has truly been had.
They do not mean cheap in comparison to plastics; they mean cheap from a large scale manufacturing process in comparison to traditional techniques.
aiqw are you ready for another time out? It seems you have not learned your lesson from the last time you displayed such a rude attitude.
If you would like to continue this civilly, I would appreciate any evidence you have showing similar manufacturing costs between molded plastics versus milled aluminum.
I have no idea how the real world works yet you are arguing with a fact that I can easily counteract such as being able to buy a 2$ aluminum product.
The cost of the aluminum after it's been machined? Well then, the white MacBook is .2 pounds heavier than the 13" MBP.
You mess up a piece of aluminum? Funny, I remember Apple SPECIFICALLY stating they get the manufacturing process right every single time oh I don't know... right here in their unibody video.
So you are assuming things.
I had no idea someone who is 5'11 and has a girlfriend is an angry little person who has to fulfill his life on an internet forum. You on the other hand, seem to have comment on it so often... makes me think you have some insecurity issues.
Easier to recycle, easier to mill and obtain. Also I haven't insulted a single person here.
http://scienceray.com/chemistry/aluminum-vs-plastic/
Personally, I don't agree with the argument that if one makes money off their computer, then they shouldn't/wouldn't complain about the product. Sure, if you were a professional graphic designer or something, you may be less sensitive towards pricing. However, I think that nevertheless, as a person and a tech enthusiast, you can still have a certain set of expectations as to what product you are getting for what price, and continuously ask for more innovation. These two aren't mutually exclusive.
CNC'ed aluminum(new MBP) is stronger than stamped aluminum(old MBP); I am not a materials scientist, but I know the CNCing process is used in many applications where precision and strength are required such as aircraft parts and racing parts.
I also much prefer the usual product cycle and keynotes. And I enjoy MacRumors nearly as much.
This ****'s just getting out of hand.
what ever happened to the days when the Macbook Pro was the fastest windows laptop?! Apple obviously doesn't care anymore about power. Unless this Macbook is going to cost under $700 this is a terrible deal even with the apple tax!
A couple weeks ago I bought a $1300 asus g73 LAPTOP (a friggen laptop) that is more powerful than a $3300 mac pro
How disappointing apple, please try harder next time.
A couple weeks ago I bought a $1300 asus g73 LAPTOP (a friggen laptop) that is more powerful than a $3300 mac pro
How disappointing apple, please try harder next time.
I wish the MBP came in 13" when I got mine. I got one of the first macbooks when they came out under the new name. Basicly only cause I liked the 13"
Hum, no. That's not actually how it happens. First, I can garantee you that people are still buying the white Macbook, because Internet based rumors are read by a very small percentage of people.
Next, people who bought just before release don't buy a second laptop. They cry and either sell their laptop to someone who would've bought new or just live with it.
In the end, we're very far from "millions and millions" and much closer to 0.
Actually, Apple has a stick - withholding payments and future work. The manufacturer has a vested interest in staying in Apple's good graces; especially since Apple is probably a good, stable customer. In addition, other companies may shy away from using a manufacturer that leaks information; so I'd guess most try hard not to.
This is a good thing...but why so many people are giving it negative ratings? am i missing something here?