New 13-inch MacBook to be Bumped to 2.4GHz, NVIDIA 320M

[t21]

I love assumptions.
http://www.manufacturelink.com.au/news/view/apple-macbook-manufacturing-process.aspx

Thanks for reminding us about that 2008 article:

As Peter Oppenheimer said at the recent earnings call, this innovation is something "Apple's competitors won't be able to match for some time to come. We expect the process to drive down the prices of MacBooks over the next few years and at the same time allow Apple to continue to lead in the innovation department. Design changes should come much more rapidly with rapid prototyping."​

That's why we do see much more frequent updates, always showing the latest state of the art intel cpus. And body modifications which would reflect latest insights of ergonomy, instead of wrist cutting corners which were a design flaw of the first unibody MBP - not to speak of the great improvements in screen variations, offering matte options for the 13"ers again. Oh, and I forgot to mention the most significant price drop which was obvious to everyone...

Yes, I really do see how this once new process significantly changed how Apple now does offer new and improved models.

Hm, how exactly is this new MB better than the former ones?

BTW: AFAI read no one mentionned scratches on these soft plastics unibody MBs - they do look ugly after just a few weeks.

 

[kiljoy616]

vietnamese guy wffn...

I second the motion.

 

[kiljoy616]

Oh wow, 4th total post on MacRumors? Because that obviously means you don't spend as much time either just reading the forum or participating on other forums right? Give me a break. Point not made
Oh, so then how did you perceive "little" if it isn't literal? You said angry little person, which would lead me to believe you are talking about a person's stature. Point not made.
The link I posted hasn't been posted a single time in this thread, maybe you should've checked that before you responded. Point not made.

I love when people's responses get smaller and less meaningful as time goes by.

Dude relax "little" could mean small mind, but your post is more about rambling are you mad at the world, so maybe its not "little" to you.

Got to take life not so serious. Such anger.

 

[Yvan256]

Enough "plastic vs aluminium costs" posts and flames between members, please. This is pointless.

Let's fight about 9400M vs 320M and Core 2 Duo vs Core 2 Quad vs i3 vs i5 instead.

 

[jglavin]

There's a difference between responding to a one line post that addresses one thing and responding to a post that addresses multiple things that end up getting ignored due to the person simply being proven wrong or running out of things to reply with.

You are asking people to believe you about something you called "polycarbonite" - against (most people's) common sense as well as the claims of people in the thread who say they have actual experience in the industry.

And no, I do not want to participate in the argument, just thought I'd point out where you stand from a spectator's POV.

 

[kiljoy616]

Still waiting for the Apple Police!

Could we possibly have any more hammering, barking dogs, screaming children or 315# fat lady passing a 2 foot stool two Portacans over as background noise to this production?

haha, I don't think these guys are in their penthouse adjacent to wall street. Be glad there isn't the strong crashing sound of door been ripped out of its hinges like we had in California, now that would have been one incredible video to watch.

 

[flopticalcube]

Enough "plastic vs aluminium costs" posts and flames between members, please. This is pointless.

Let's fight about 9400M vs 320M and Core 2 Duo vs Core 2 Quad vs i3 vs i5 instead.

Yes! I believe that most of these chips have more plastic in their casing than aluminum [sic].

 

[kiljoy616]

no they are not. You can hear them building all those products in the background.

haha, i was thinking what your hearing is them making the machines, haha, this video is been made at the assembly floor.

Would have loved the guy say, throw me another machine this one "missing some screws" hahahaha.

 

[aiqw9182]

You are asking people to believe you about something you called "polycarbonite" - against (most people's) common sense as well as the claims of people in the thread who say they have actual experience in the industry.

And no, I do not want to participate in the argument, just thought I'd point out where you stand from a spectator's POV.

Something I called "polycarbonate" plastic... excuse me for typing fast and missing a mistake. I've refuted all of these claims and these "industry experts" haven't responded with anything.

Dude relax "little" could mean small mind, but your post is more about rambling are you mad at the world, so maybe its not "little" to you.

Got to take life not so serious. Such anger.

Such anger? I'm far from angry. I don't take any of this too seriously. I just like calling ******** when I see it.

 

[Swift]

The supply chain

I think there will be some hell to pay along the supply chain. Where are these Vietnamese leaks coming from? None of the fabs are there, are they? Shouldn't be that hard for the factory police to find.

 

[miles01110]

I've refuted all of these claims and these "industry experts" haven't responded with anything.

Actually you haven't refuted anything. Aside from a few personal jabs here and there, all you've done is buried your head in the sand and refusing to listen to logically constructed attacks on your incredibly flimsy "argument." 95% of your posts in this thread are "Do you have proof (to back up your claim that [is obvious / I don't understand] ?"

You discount people who claim to have experience in the industry, which is fine. I don't put too much stake on people claiming they work at Harvard, they have a PhD in computer science, or whatever. The difference between you and I (and most of the other people in this thread) is that I'm capable of judging for myself what is a logical argument and what is not.

Oh, the reason we stopped responding to you is because your argument has been fully deflated at this point. Unlike you, none of us feel the need to keep running up our post counts for the sake of one uninformed 6502.

 

[coolfactor]

Come Apple! Get over 5400 RPM HDD's, I mean really, and 2GB of RAM, it's a pass

They used 4800 RPM drives forever. I thought they still did. What are you hoping for? 7200? 10,000? Get real.

 

[flopticalcube]

They used 4800 RPM drives forever. I thought they still did. What are you hoping for? 7200? 10,000? Get real.

5400RPM drives have been standard since 2006. These drives get faster with each generation although the rotation speed remains constant.

 

[carlgo]

Made in USA? Great idea, BUT be prepared to pay double to triple the retail prices we're paying now.

No way. How much human labor is involved in assembling a computer? Minutes? How about for iPods? Seconds?

Other companies of various sorts make stuff here, so it can be done.

I would love to see Apple open a US plant. Other companies would have to follow or look bad. Once again Apple would lead the way and Jobs would be a hero.

 

[Swift]

I've got an old Core Duo macbook from 2006.

Generally, how much of an improvement would I see with the specs of this new model mb?

Thanks

Well, I have a Mac mini from the same era. So, when I try to play 1080p, it stutters badly. When I try to encode video, it takes more than twice as long as my iMac (Early 2009). That's what's real to me.

I sort of fixed the Mac mini by getting the H.264 HD encoder from El Gato. Still runs fine, but it is getting a little long in the tooth. Four years after all.

 

[Swift]

Yes, and plastic is available naturally from plastic trees.

Seriously, again, the difference is probably a few cents if even that. Aluminium is pretty cheap and flow jets used to make things like the unibody cases are not expensive, at least, not very much more than the energy required to heat up the plastic and molds.

The processes and materials are different. That doesn't mean one is more expensive than the other by any significant margin.

And your degree in metallurgy is from where? Oh, from the Church of Apple Haters.

 

[aiqw9182]

Actually you haven't refuted anything. Aside from a few personal jabs here and there, all you've done is buried your head in the sand and refusing to listen to logically constructed attacks on your incredibly flimsy "argument." 95% of your posts in this thread are "Do you have proof (to back up your claim that [is obvious / I don't understand] ?"

You discount people who claim to have experience in the industry, which is fine. I don't put too much stake on people claiming they work at Harvard, they have a PhD in computer science, or whatever. The difference between you and I (and most of the other people in this thread) is that I'm capable of judging for myself what is a logical argument and what is not.

Oh, the reason we stopped responding to you is because your argument has been fully deflated at this point. Unlike you, none of us feel the need to keep running up our post counts for the sake of one uninformed 6502.

This is quite sad coming from the guys argument was to ignore me completely. What happened to that? Clearly I'm doing something right if you constantly respond.

Your so called industry experts that are on your side (considering the fact that you started this entire argument) didn't even know that the white MacBook weighs more than the 13" MacBook Pro. Your other expert complained about having to send aluminum back when Apple has clearly stated that they get the manufacturing process right every time.

 

[miles01110]

No way. How much human labor is involved in assembling a computer? Minutes? How about for iPods? Seconds?

Other companies of various sorts make stuff here, so it can be done.

I would love to see Apple open a US plant. Other companies would have to follow or look bad. Once again Apple would lead the way and Jobs would be a hero.

It's probably not really an issue of human labor; basically every manufacturer of electronic components has a major manufacturing presence in China. The Apple plant is probably right next to the ARM plant which is right next to the American Semiconductor plant which is right next to [etc].

That way they just end up paying for overseas shipping on the completed unit instead of for dozens of shipments from different manufacturers.

This is quite sad coming from the guys argument was to ignore me completely. What happened to that? Clearly I'm doing something right if constantly respond.

Trolls typically get lots of responses. Check the Wasteland. Don't worry, everyone likes to troll every once in a while, myself included.

Your so called industry experts that are on your side (considering the fact that you started this entire argument) didn't even know that the white MacBook weighs more than the 13" MacBook Pro. Your other expert complained about having to send aluminum back when Apple has clearly stated that they get the manufacturing process right every time.

Oh look, more frantic attempts to salvage some sort of credibility by lashing out at those who clearly have a better handle on reality. Could you please make your attempt to shift attention away from your poorly reasoned argument any more obvious? Thanks. Back to the ignore list you go.

 

[charlituna]

Vietnamese site Tinhte has managed to get their hands on an unreleased MacBook. This is the same site that published a video of the unreleased 4th generation iPhone.

you mean the iphone that was not shown in operation, that did nothing when the screen was tapped, swiped or flipped around. and they didn't actually show plugging it into a computer

and that laptop has the same Model number as the Fall 2009 white macbook.

Hmmmm.

 

[aiqw9182]

Trolls typically get lots of responses. Check the Wasteland. Don't worry, everyone likes to troll every once in a while, myself included.

HAHA! Troll? This is hilarious, I love when people pull strawmen arguments.

Oh look, more frantic attempts to salvage some sort of credibility by lashing out at those who clearly have a better handle on reality. Could you please make your attempt to shift attention away from your poorly reasoned argument any more obvious? Thanks.

Frantic attempts? More like you just ignoring my refutes for you to try and salvage yourself from embarrassment. I have nothing to lose here. You on the other hand have invested what seems to be months into these forums, and you are trying to not make yourself like a complete fool who constantly backpeddles on arguments.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

Is there any particular reason why you sad, sad people are bitching over aluminium and plastic? For gods sake its a notebook! I bet half of you aren't even interested in buying this new MacBook, you just fancy an argument.

 

[Yvan256]

Obligatory link

Is there any particular reason why you sad, sad people are bitching over aluminium and plastic? For gods sake its a notebook! I bet half of you aren't even interested in buying this new MacBook, you just fancy an argument.

Argument clinic

 

[MikhailT]

No way. How much human labor is involved in assembling a computer? Minutes? How about for iPods? Seconds?

Other companies of various sorts make stuff here, so it can be done.

I would love to see Apple open a US plant. Other companies would have to follow or look bad. Once again Apple would lead the way and Jobs would be a hero.

The taxes, regulations and cost of human labor are all very high in USA compared to other countries, not to mention the unions.

Also not all parts can be assembled robotically.

Apple opening a US plant would have little to nothing impact on their competitors or anybody else for that matter. The only major impact is the local economy next to the plant, it'll revive a ghost town.

Given the fact that there are millions of unemployed people in the country, even I would be glad to work at a factory just to survive.

If we bought back all the manufacturing jobs that we have lost over the past few decades, US would be in much better state than it would be here as long as there are tax breaks, less regulations and other incentives for the companies to hire americans more than the illegals. In fact, I'm willing to bet that we'll be able to wipe out the current debt within years instead of decades.

 

[kny3twalker]

This is quite sad coming from the guys argument was to ignore me completely. What happened to that? Clearly I'm doing something right if you constantly respond.

Your so called industry experts that are on your side (considering the fact that you started this entire argument) didn't even know that the white MacBook weighs more than the 13" MacBook Pro. Your other expert complained about having to send aluminum back when Apple has clearly stated that they get the manufacturing process right every time.

To start off, you made my ignore list too (I do not know why I decided to view your post, maybe I hoped you could open your eyes and mind). I am just guessing you have made quite a few people's.

Then if you really think there are NEVER flaws in the manufacturing process, you need to look into probabilities, because these machines like anything else are susceptible to failure and other issues which require maintenance (besides the problems caused by human error). Nonetheless, I am sure Apple has a very high return rate in producing these machines, enough where they would feel comfortable boosting such statistics.

More over, I believe Apple meant that they get the same results from machining every single time, versus assembly from multiple parts would require greater tolerance and sometimes fitment may not be as good as expected.

You really seem incapable of understanding people's intentions by the comments being made, much less, you seem to be incapable of understanding basic concepts being outlined to you.

I still await any sort of evidence to proof your hypothesis that milled aluminum is as cost effective as plastics. Or it this just your uninformed opinion?

 

[marksandvig]

LOL. I "think" I got that joke, but still a 2nd guess. I like it though.

How many returns can Apple afford now with those that just bought the MBP 13" with the EXACT same spec's save for the 4GB RAM, 3hr improvement of battery life, Metal FW800, SD slot, and finally backlit keyboard? Some customers may just return it under their 30days and get a full refund, claw back $200 - which reduces Apple's revenue significantly in the 1000's if it happens - and use it to purchase another item in stock (shell, sleeve, AppleCare).

This leads me to believe that the 13" MBP will soon (3-4mths tops) get a significant cpu bump to the Core i3/i5 ULV cpu's Intel is about to ship next month and get a slightly better Video Card or the same?!

Apple is REALLY reducing the production costs across the lineup with this. I just hope the Mac Mini with these new specs: base 2.4Ghz C2D 8600 & the 2.83(?) get the 320M. I will definately buy one ~ and give out current one to my daughter. This way my wife & son have the newer Mac Mini, I have the Al_uMB, and daughter has the 2Ghz Mac Mini. the Mac home will finally be complete.

15% Restocking fee.