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New Apple Cinema Displays Finally at MWSF 2009?

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If Apple refreshes them to all LED backlit displays, I am a bit concerned about the price. The current 30" displays are extremely nice so I don't think that they would want to completely get rid of it since there is a market for it. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
 
milo said:
Why bother updating these?

Apple hasn't been competitive in monitors for years, only suckers buy apple monitors. Does anyone think they'll actually ship a monitor that is either top-quality, or a decent deal compared with other options?

They might as well just get out of the monitor business, they can't compete and I doubt they sell enough to make it worth the trouble. Their monitors wouldn't be missed, does anyone really wish they still made things like printers?
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Think of the monitors as BMW's vs. Hyundai.

My $20k Hyundai new is now worth $1k, I learned my lesson and bought:
My used $28k BMW is still worth nearly $28k!

My $369 Sceptre 20 inch widecreen is worth about $80 today, I learned my lesson and bought:
My $899/new 23 inch ACD I got used for $575 still still worth $575 today!


Is that being a sucker?
 
iMacmatician said:
That's the earliest Blu-ray will appear, assuming the new ACDs do have HDMI. If not... then I'm not sure if Apple will ever support Blu-ray.
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I think I can wait only a little longer on Apple, DVDSP, and Blu-ray. Adobe announced (I don't know when) there is a Mac version of Encore now. I've never used it. I may order the trial version and take it for a drive.
 
no longer sure

I've been waiting for updated displays for a while. In terms of hardware, my flat panels ( 15 ADC, and now 20 cinema ) have brought me the most enjoyment.

Now, I think that like a lot of people, I lean towards no longer having a "desk top" system and will only have a laptop. I started using my old 12 in. powermac a lot because of a job change. I have accustomed to it and long for an updated system.
 
trolling?

milo said:
Why bother updating these?

Apple hasn't been competitive in monitors for years, only suckers buy apple monitors. Does anyone think they'll actually ship a monitor that is either top-quality, or a decent deal compared with other options?

They might as well just get out of the monitor business, they can't compete and I doubt they sell enough to make it worth the trouble. Their monitors wouldn't be missed, does anyone really wish they still made things like printers?
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milo, you are so totally wrong here and completely out of touch with the facts it's kind of laughable.

Perhaps you don't need an ACD, it sure seems like you don't know anything about them. Others know better. ;)
 
Well its about time. I also hope the redesign the MacPro to compliment the new displays.
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
milo, you are so totally wrong here and completely out of touch with the facts it's kind of laughable.

Perhaps you don't need an ACD, it sure seems like you don't know anything about them. Others know better. ;)
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haha i agree 100%. What a ridiculous ignorant comment. Regardless of their displays being over-priced, they are the most aesthetically pleasing displays to date, even despite their 4 year old design.
 
Please add an iSight. Every built in display Mac has an iSight and I don't see why it would be so hard to add it to a cinema display. Couldn't cost more than $20 in parts to add it. As a prosumer I would like a display that has enough res for Final Cut, Aperture, etc but also be able to iChat with friends when I'm not working and I don't want to buy an external camera.

Also, whoever said to get rid of the 30" all-together has obviously never used one. I use one for all my One-to-One appointments at my local apple store, and am actually here gonna learn some Shake in about 30 minutes and the 30" is a godsend. I think if the price is too much to add LED to the 30", add it to the 20" and 23", keep the 30" without LED until the price goes down.
 
Have LED ACD's as an option

If LED's are going to boost the the ACD prices way up, perhaps treat them as an purchase option. Then phase out the LCD displays when LED prices drop to acceptable levels.
 
Max E Verde said:
Please add an iSight. Every built in display Mac has an iSight and I don't see why it would be so hard to add it to a cinema display.
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No it is not hard.
But it is not about difficulty or cost.

It is probably all about Steve Jobs being convinced the ACD needs an iSight.

How long exactly did Apple only sell a one-button mouse? Correct.

Talk about stuborn. :rolleyes:
 
resolution independence?

Maybe finally Apple will get resolution independence to work, maybe with Snow Leopard. Then they will be able to offer 300 DPI LCD monitors. Apple has been talking about "resolution independence" but it makes no sense until they have the hi-res hardware out.
 
macnvrbck said:
Think of the monitors as BMW's vs. Hyundai.

My $20k Hyundai new is now worth $1k, I learned my lesson and bought:
My used $28k BMW is still worth nearly $28k!

My $369 Sceptre 20 inch widecreen is worth about $80 today, I learned my lesson and bought:
My $899/new 23 inch ACD I got used for $575 still still worth $575 today!


Is that being a sucker?
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yes it is. the after market price is only relatively high because of the imagined value these have among mac geeks. But their quality is low compared to others in that range (Spectre is not there), not to mention price: ACDs are priced 3x they should be.
 
Do you guys honestly expect apple to put HDMI or displayport on their new ACDs? If none of their computers even supports HDMI/displayport, they wont even think about putting it on. Its also pretty absurd to think that Apple would expect users to use a DVI-HDMI adapter if they were to put HDMI on them (not that its complicated, but its against Apples unwritten principles).

The only way apple would even consider this is if they offer a video card with HDMI out, which probably wont happen.

Displayport is not even worth thinking about. It will never happen.
 
macnvrbck said:
Think of the monitors as BMW's vs. Hyundai.

My $20k Hyundai new is now worth $1k, I learned my lesson and bought:
My used $28k BMW is still worth nearly $28k!

My $369 Sceptre 20 inch widecreen is worth about $80 today, I learned my lesson and bought:
My $899/new 23 inch ACD I got used for $575 still still worth $575 today!


Is that being a sucker?
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Milo is absolutely correct and your analogy is flawed.

You can only compare an Apple monitor to a BMW if you remove the iDrive, the trunk space, the passenger seats and just have four wheels and engine.

Apple displays have been piss poor value for a long time even for pro's. The only thing you get by paying an Apple price premium is the matching bezel. They don't have better display quality than the competitors and the feature set is laughable.

I'm sat in front of a three year old Samsung 24 inch with component, DVI, RGB, S-Vid, height adjustable stand with rotation and picture in picture functions that was $1K back then.

What do you get on an Apple display? One input and it's fixed.

When you buy a Mac there are other benefits besides the case style that make the premium worth paying. With Apple monitors there's absolutely nothing they offer that other manufacturers do not. Not even the panel quality is up to date. They may retain value but that just means you're buying a used Apple display at the same price you could be buying a brand new display with better features and quality.
 
Finally

Oooo! Now I just have to wait for the Mini update, and I can get a new mini with a new 30 inch apple display.:D
 
ArcaneDevice said:
Milo is absolutely correct and your analogy is flawed.

You can only compare an Apple monitor to a BMW if you remove the iDrive, the trunk space, the passenger seats and just have four wheels and engine.

Apple displays have been piss poor value for a long time even for pro's. The only thing you get by paying an Apple price premium is the matching bezel. They don't have better display quality than the competitors and the feature set is laughable.

I'm sat in front of a three year old Samsung 24 inch with component, DVI, RGB, S-Vid, height adjustable stand with rotation and picture in picture functions that was $1K back then.

What do you get on an Apple display? One input and it's fixed.

When you buy a Mac there are other benefits besides the case style that make the premium worth paying. With Apple monitors there's absolutely nothing they offer that other manufacturers do not. Not even the panel quality is up to date. They may retain value but that just means you're buying a used Apple display at the same price you could be buying a brand new display with better features and quality.
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Valid points. Thanks for the input. I'm glad I said what I said because I think it's opened up a fact based discussion about value vs. quality vs. features. That discussion is much more helpful vs. just bashing Apple for simply having overpriced monitors.

I also want to add I LOVE my ACD. Most people jaw's hit the floor when they see it next my 12 inch powerbook. A stunning monitor.
 
Good things about Apple displays:

1) Single Cable for Video, Firewire, Audio
2) Decent design
3) Good panels

Good things about other displays:

1) Multiple inputs - standard DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort growing now. VGA even but I don't see Apple supporting that. Some even have component and svideo, again Apple would never support that. Next Apple display should have the single cable for DVI input + USB and Firewire, and two HDMI inputs.

2) Lower prices - significantly lower prices. Apple need to drop their prices, although not so much they have to use a lower quality display.

3) Some have decent design as well. This isn't an Apple-only feature.

4) Lower prices, sometimes 1/3rd of the price of the Apple display.
 
Hattig said:
Good things about Apple displays:

1) Single Cable for Video, Firewire, Audio
2) Decent design
3) Good panels

Good things about other displays:

1) Multiple inputs - standard DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort growing now. VGA even but I don't see Apple supporting that. Some even have component and svideo, again Apple would never support that. Next Apple display should have the single cable for DVI input + USB and Firewire, and two HDMI inputs.

2) Lower prices - significantly lower prices. Apple need to drop their prices, although not so much they have to use a lower quality display.

3) Some have decent design as well. This isn't an Apple-only feature.

4) Lower prices, sometimes 1/3rd of the price of the Apple display.
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You forgot to mention lower prices.
 
Hattig said:
Good things about Apple displays:

1) Single Cable for Video, Firewire, Audio
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That's not a good thing. In fact I would say that's never a good thing for any equipment. Consumers might like the ease of use but when you permanently fix a cable to a device you are locking yourself in.

If the cable gets damaged you take the monitor with it. If it's not long enough you have to buy an extender but with the single cable arrangement you can't do that easily. If it was just a socket on the display you could buy a longer cable. Maybe you want to plug some other jack in to the monitor? You have to buy a cable converter that sits in the middle of the cable rather than just buy a single neat cable with a different adapter at both ends. The list goes on ...
 
Apple Display

Rumours are they'll be half the price, twice the quality and have a three year warranty... oh wait, no maybe that's Samsung...

Apple's will be the same price, better quality and have a one year warranty ( as long as your 28 dead pixels are less than 1 inch apart)
 
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