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New Apple Cinema Displays Finally at MWSF 2009?
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What we need is infrared.
Why is nobody crying for a built-in infrared sensor? Does nobody out there want to use the Apple Remote with his Mac Pro and Front Row AND a 30" inch Display?
For my part I'm missing the Remote very much since I've switched to a Pro from a 24" white iMac, that was just not up to heavy-duty work.
I'd also like to see a built-in iSight. Maybe it's possible to offer two versions of any display: With and without iSight, so that the no-second-camera-needed-whiners can get their iSight free display too.
In case they release a 30" inch LED display at a prohobitive price, I'm the first one to buy a used 30" inch and will hopefully be happy with it.
After all, let's be honest: Apple doesn't care about the displays because the big money is made elsewhere, namely the portables, the iPods and the iPhone.
They just need some for their own use, so that they don't have to look at an other manufacturer's logo in their headquarter and therefore don't bother with the price. I bet they will release some stunning, innovative pieces of art at unaffordable prices for most of us.
And by the way: Everybody who's denying the sheer beauty of the current ACDs is either blind or a complete moron.
Thanks for reading.
Why is nobody crying for a built-in infrared sensor? Does nobody out there want to use the Apple Remote with his Mac Pro and Front Row AND a 30" inch Display?
For my part I'm missing the Remote very much since I've switched to a Pro from a 24" white iMac, that was just not up to heavy-duty work.
I'd also like to see a built-in iSight. Maybe it's possible to offer two versions of any display: With and without iSight, so that the no-second-camera-needed-whiners can get their iSight free display too.
In case they release a 30" inch LED display at a prohobitive price, I'm the first one to buy a used 30" inch and will hopefully be happy with it.
After all, let's be honest: Apple doesn't care about the displays because the big money is made elsewhere, namely the portables, the iPods and the iPhone.
They just need some for their own use, so that they don't have to look at an other manufacturer's logo in their headquarter and therefore don't bother with the price. I bet they will release some stunning, innovative pieces of art at unaffordable prices for most of us.
And by the way: Everybody who's denying the sheer beauty of the current ACDs is either blind or a complete moron.
Thanks for reading.
Yeh, it's gross. Why would anyone ever use an iPhone? You have to touch it and stuff. Then it gets fingerprints. And door handles are totally useless as well. Who would use one? Flush with your feet, right?
I dig it
Thats cool. I always thought Apple's displays were about $400 too expensive. I just hope I was paying for quality when I bought the medium one for $900.
Thats cool. I always thought Apple's displays were about $400 too expensive. I just hope I was paying for quality when I bought the medium one for $900.
You'd be surprised how many Macs are connected to Dell or Samsung displays in professional shops. This happened over the past 6 years because Apple's displays were too expensive and too problematic, plus, at the time, Apple wouldn't cover their displays with an extended warranty unless it was purchased WITH a Mac computer. So, if you bought a Mac one month and the display the next month, your display wouldn't be covered by AppleCare if your computer was.
So, lots of people got fed up and now have big shiny Dell or Samsung logos all over their desktops instead of the beautiful Mac displays. Quite a few times visitors to our office ask us if we're running a new version of Windows because they think we have PCs.
No it is not hard.
But it is not about difficulty or cost.
It is probably all about Steve Jobs being convinced the ACD needs an iSight.
How long exactly did Apple only sell a one-button mouse? Correct.
Talk about stuborn.
What is wrong with a one button mouse ? I still use mine right now and still like it.
I hope for some update on the displays. LED backlight, iSight build-in, DVI and HDMI ports, thinner design would be all real great.
so you want an HDMI port to connect your computer's display with the device apple released to allow you to watch the content of your computer whilst not sat at your computer!? I don't even know where to start with that comment!
so I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the need for HDMI? (HDCP can be done over DVI).
Our experience here in our design studio -- which is considerable -- suggests exactly the opposite, especially in terms of color management and accuracy for SWOP work.
Bottom line is this: ACD's use more highly refined LUT's than most Dells. ACD's are SWOP certified out of the box (important for Legal Certification with high end clients and lawsuit potential risk), Dell's are not and finally, Dell's are far too prone to hardware error adjustment from the front panel controls. ACD's take calibration much more precisely as do panels from NEC, Eizo, and HP. But Dells, they are generally regarded as lower grade.
INDEPENDENT evaluations from Aris Technica, Barefeats, etc, consistently bear this out. As do reviews in forums like DP Review, etc.
Over the past few years we replaced two Dell 30 inch panels with HP LP3065's -- a far superior panel and LUT combination than the Dell's. We still have a Dell 24, that we test video and websites on, but for the real development we go with the NEC and ACD 23's in this monitor size.
Our experience is opposite yours.
This is why I would like Apple to continue with using high-grade panels in the upcoming ACDs, and not use a lower quality panel to save price. If lower prices is what Apple wants, release a separate line with lower quality panels for those who want cheaper monitors.
Amen!
I agree 100% with you.
Apple should not try to compete with Dell, etc.
They will lose the professional market.
I have shared similar thoughts to yours, regarding forked display lines, in the past here on MacRumors.
I believe that on some of the monitors, dell and apple used the same exact phillips panels, apple just charged more.
Well, you had better luck than we did! I don't know how the Apple monitors can be "SWOP certified" when the color is so inaccurate from one side of the screen to the other. There's no way I'd trust what I see on those monitors in regards to color. Calibration doesn't fix that, either.
BTW, Dell was/is using the same panels that Apple was using in their ACD displays at the time.
A good monitor is not defined by its panel alone.
Equally import are the following 1) Software Drivers, 2) Color Lookup Tables (LUT's), 3) Monitor Driver Hardware, (circuit board/chipset inside of monitor) 4) Integration of aforementioned with the operating system and its color management software (ie., Colorsync.)
These is plenty of information on the internet for one to learn about the importance of these aspects of a monitor.
Here a few starters:
http://www.outbackphoto.com/tforum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=1700
**Karl Lang is a pioneer in monitor color science.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2950&p=9
**** I have sent you to the "calibrated results" page -- as you can see, monitors with the same panel often perform very differently based on above aspects I have mentioned. Just as the same motherboard in a PC will perform differently based on the associated video cards, ram, drives surrounding it.
http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00OpbC
There is so much more on this: Hope this helps one on one's journey towards monitor knowledge.
See previous post on meaninglessness of "Same Panels" being used.
Also, you many have had the older acd 23's (about 3 years ago, and back) regarding the inconsistent brightness? New ones do not exhibit this problem, in general.
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Let's hope they come down! They're outdated, under-equipped and overpriced!
Better late than never I guess
twoodcc said:
Let's hope they come down! They're outdated, under-equipped and overpriced!
Better late than never I guess
you're assuming they already have the professional market for panels. They don't. The majority of people who buy the <30 ACDs are those who shop at the Apple Store and like the matching style.
I've been in many different environments and it's a mix of CRT (still) and other brand LCD panels. The only times I see a 30 inch ACD being used are at video desks because at the time the Apple screen was the biggest and company purchasers just make their lives easier by going to an Apple sales rep for all their equipment.
Any decent hardware with good grayscale and uniformity can be calibrated effectively using pro devices. Comparing recent displays to the 4 year old ACDs is pointless unless you have actually used a competitors brand in the past year or two. The Karl Lang link you refer to is completely pointless. Sony aren't even in the monitor business now, that's how old that article is.
As anyone with a Macbook Pro can state, Apple do not bend over backwards to ensure the pro market get the best displays. When you advertise a panel at millions of colors you shouldn't be getting a dithered thousand color display or something with the uniformity of the sky during a rain shower.
Well said. I completely agree that the only reason Apple will still make displays is because they would go crazy if they used a Dell display at MacWorld. I wrote up some possible configurations on my blog (below).
I disagree with you on this point: Apple certainly has a fair share of the pro LCD market in the 23" and 30" segments.
How wrong you are on the calibration point. Way off, my friend, there is so much more to it than you understand -- I am happy you don't any color critical work for us!
You are correct that the Lang article is old -- and also incorrect if you inferred that I was using it to support ACD's -- I wasn't -- I was using it to make the case for the internals of a monitor -- like the LUT's and the data path between them, the monitor, the hardware video cards (internal and CPU) and both the OS and color management/calibration profiles. Like I said, these are knowledge starting points. It is up to you do your own work to learn.
But to dismiss the article completely betrays your attempt to portend knowledge. The hottest topics today in Monitors, Operating Systems and Color Management are 6, 8, 10, 12bit LUTs which the article clearly addresses. These topics directly relate to "Delta E" the deviation between colors which grows increasing important, and relevant by todays standards when using high gamut displays. Not less.
I recently purchased a new Acer 22" LCD - got tired of waiting for Apple to release updated models.
We'll see if this rumor is true.
We'll see if this rumor is true.
Does anyone know if there is anything bigger than the dell or apple 30" lcd?
Not plasma etc for TV - but bigger than 2560 x 1600 pixels in a true computer LCD format?
Not plasma etc for TV - but bigger than 2560 x 1600 pixels in a true computer LCD format?
Well in that case I must I bow to your superior knowledge. Even though it's based on the assumption that you think you are the most experienced person on this forum without actually knowing the profession or the experience of those you are talking to.
If you think Apple make the only color accurate monitors on the market then you need to go to more prepress departments and look at the units they use. The "pro" market is not defined as those who only want color accuracy for branding, product representation and color reference charts either. The pro market encompasses a huge range of computer users where color accuracy is not the most important factor.
I can tell you for a fact that the global company I work for which has specific video, photography, advertising, design, printing and marketing departments use a wide range of displays. I don't see anyone in the media or the board of directors complaining because their current promos don't match the spots. ADCs make up about 20% of those in use here I would estimate and that goes for other companies I've been in.