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I am curious if Apple will even mention the Mac Pro / Mac Mini. Or will they not update them and then just remove them from the store due to lack of demand in another 2 or 3 years.
 
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blame Intel not Apple. They seem to be having real issues getting product out the door in recent years. They are late again. Kaby Lake is still not generally available except in some very low power and clock rate versions. Can you go out today and buy a KabyLake i7 in Macbook packaging today?
We could be seeing the final straw in thr Apple/Intel CPU relationship. There are probably people in Apple Engineering that must be banging their heads on the walls in frustration with Intel.
This might be the tipping point and in two years time Intel MacBooks will be a thing of the past.
OTOH, the differences esp the performance differences between the two CPU's are fairly minimal.
I'd fully expect that the hardware will be able to take both CPU's with the minimum of engineering or process changes.
Lets hope that the Chipset can take 32Gb of RAM. For me that is the most crucial thing.
I hope you realize that it's not Intel's fault that technology has run up against a physics wall. You don't actually think Intel engineers are sitting on their thumbs just partying and killing time. That would dumb to even consider. I'd wager they're experimenting and doing their best to come up with the next big step. It's just not as easy as some of you think.
 
I get the impression a lot of Mac users like buying new stuff for the sake of buying new stuff. You rarely see explanations why people desperately need that massive 12% boost in CPU performance when they already have a relatively modern Mac. I shouldn't moan. I want Apple to continue making as much money as possible so..... ;)

12% boost is a lie. It's always way more than that for Mac Pros with every refresh... But the current Mac Pro has garbage for a GPU, worse yet there's no upgrade for the current GPUs either thanks to the bone headed decision to make it a proprietary PCIe slot. Sigh.
 
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Oh gosh no. I'm relying on a new iMac next week (current iMac's display is failing after a good 6 years!). Hi ho, hi ho, it's back to the PC side I go :(
 
Every generation improvement is modest , between 10-15% hence I've had no reason to upgrade my 2012 rMBP.

I guess some people want that 10-15% when they buy premium.

Id be honestly suprised, gimmicks aside, If these machines actually give a substantial performance boast. It's really going to depend if apple is going for performance or really thin...the 2015 machines might still be the better machine for power users.

I like your comment - about 'gimmicks'...I'm not very knowledgable in the tech field but like the reliability I've had with Apple. I have a 2013 11" 8gb Air that works fine for my needs I also switched my wife and I over to IPhones. I've had 3-4 Dell Laptops and a few Pcs...all had troubles and I went with Apple and have been pleased. I bought my daughter (this past Christmas) an IPhone 6s and a 2015 MBP retina with I7 and 16GB and my wife a 27" Imac with fusion drive and a Time Capsule and also an Apple Watch. I need 2 more laptops for my younger kids and am wondering if I should duplicate my daughters 2015 model and hopefully save a few bucks or go for the new MBP coming out? I want them to have nice products that will be trouble free, but wonder if the new ones will just be 'gimmicks' or possess needed power upgrades (needed for young teens)? I welcome any helpful comments/advice.
 
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Literally nothing. Apple doesn't respect its consumers. No Idea why so many of you are shocked.

I was thinking the same thing. It's beyond me why I continue to stay with apple. Apple isn't the only computer around. If only Jobs were still alive. He was the master. If he were around, the new Macs would be so revolutionary that we'd pay anything to have one. But it's his own fault. He refused appropriate treatment of his pancreatic cancer when it was early and possibly curable. By the time did the right thing, it was too late. I will never forgive him for that. RIP, Steve.
 
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Oh, you don't know what's different? I will tell you then. Their former CEO passed away and they hired a guy who has no clue about the meaning of the word innovation when it comes to computers. But he is a social justice hero and a visionary when it comes to watch bands.
Now THAT is funny. Yay for social justice warriors! Is social injustice even a thing? These people need to move on with their lives.
 
12% boost is a lie. It's always way more than that for Mac Pros with every refresh... But the current Mac Pro has garbage for a GPU, worse yet there's no upgrade for the current GPUs either thanks to the bone headed decision to make it a proprietary PCIe slot. Sigh.

Yeah but I'm talking about the MacBook Pro.

I have a high-end Dell Skylake i7 laptop sitting next to my late 2013 MacBook Pro and the benchmark numbers are insanely close. I wouldn't waste 2+ grand updating based on this.

The Mac Pro I think is going in a bigger version of its current shell - a giant trash can forever. You'll most likely find the Mac Mini tossed in there too.
 
Yea I don't buy this either. An entire event to say here are new MBPs, slightly thinner but looks more or less the same, usbc, and a touch strip? Few demos of the strip with certain apps. Then a MacBook that's 1" bigger with an extra port. Would be very underwhelming after such a long wait.

Leave "thin" to iOS devices, not Mac's. Aside from the barebones MacBook, thin doesn't benefit Mac's, especially iMac's. We're not far from iPad's becoming paper thin, something Steven Spielberg prophetically demonstrated in 2002's "Minority Report". Also recall moving images on identification cards that are light activated; when held up to light the persons head would rotate. Technology can benefit from "thin" in those concepts, not computer systems. God I miss the exceptional 20"/23"/30" CCFL LCD's, not repurposed then current one size iMac LED panels.


Apple seems to be reverting to the 90's Sculley era of product fragmentation - watches, cars, 3 variants of each product line, profits over focus/quality. In the late 90's Jobs' infamous "Four Quadrant Product Grid" eliminated fragmentation as starting point for bringing Apple back to life. He saw the bigger picture and aspects many missed in a rapidly evolving technological world. He was difficult, a perfectionist, yet he didn't mince words and pushed people to their limits. It's been 5 years since his passing and it's clear Apple has lost that direction. Jobs was the visionary, Ive and his team brought his idea's to life, and Cook handled the finances. Now Cook is throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks and Ive seems bored and uninspired without Jobs. The three made Apple successful.

Believe it or not, Angela Ahrendts is very much like Jobs - she has great ideas that were brought to life while CEO of Burberry and she's been working with Ive on improving systems and design. Now that two years of behind the scenes retail restructuring is complete, we're hopeful she'll bring back some of the creativity that was lost with Jobs. There's rumor that she'll be involved or more involved in Keynote presentations as she has better experience and presence on stage. She's no Jobs, but she makes Cook and Cue seem even more out of touch.
 
Oh gosh no. I'm relying on a new iMac next week (current iMac's display is failing after a good 6 years!). Hi ho, hi ho, it's back to the PC side I go :(

Not that it matters to me what you buy but, out of interest, what's the problem with the current 27" 5k imac? They have the most recent chip (Skylake) available to them and are within a stones throw of the cost of a 5k monitor with no computer at all. If you were expecting a Kaby imac this month then it just was not physically possible.
 
There clearly is a difference of opinion when it comes to the MB keyboard.

I initially hated it, but after trying it a bit more at the Apple store, I didn't mind it as much and could see getting used to it.

I'm curious to know those who vehemently hate it, do you type using all ten fingers or do you hunt and peck with a few fingers. I'm guessing those who love it are very fast at typing.
 
This sounds confusing. 9to5mac reports it referring to a 13" MacBook and nothing else.

I can't see Apple redesigning the chassis of the MacBook Air to accommodate the USB-C ports, then leaving the rest exactly as it has been for the last 6 years. It would not make sense to push the MacBook Air as the future of laptops with new I/O and still keeping a non-retina display. Especially not when everything in the OS is optimized for retina.

I see two options.

1. If it has a USB-C port, it will be a brand new 13" MacBook with Retina Display. 11" Air gone, 13" Air kept as the budget option.

2. If not, it will be a spec update for the good old MacBook Air. Skylake/Kaby Lake. No new ports, no new design, just internal updates. No USB-C.

What do you guys think? Good thing is we'll probably find out thursday! :)

Agreed. My money is on #1
 
Not that it matters to me what you buy but, out of interest, what's the problem with the current 27" 5k imac? They have the most recent chip (Skylake) available to them and are within a stones throw of the cost of a 5k monitor with no computer at all. If you were expecting a Kaby imac this month then it just was not physically possible.
I don't want to waste my money if the better one is out in, well, god knows how many weeks or months later. I tend to buy the high-end, maxed out model and generally those see the biggest improvements plus I'm expecting an improved display. It's not just about the CPU. I get them to last as long as possible so yeah. Not planning on wasting money.
 
Probably the fact that those $1000 displays make up something like .0000001% of their revenue (totally made up number btw, but you get my point). The only people who really care about this caliber of display are video/photo professionals who, unfortunately, have become an afterthought in Apple's business plans.
Not to mention, there have always been cheaper (not prettier necessarily) options.
 
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I don't want to waste my money if the better one is out in, well, god knows how many weeks or months later. I tend to buy the high-end, maxed out model and generally those see the biggest improvements plus I'm expecting an improved display. It's not just about the CPU. I get them to last as long as possible so yeah. Not planning on wasting money.


Something better will always be in the pipeline, that's the nature of the beast. There simply could not be a Kaby Lake imac today, at least not one that wouldn't be slower than the one you already have. When the Kaby imac does arrive it'll be practically indistinguishable from the skylake one.

If not wasting money was my priority I certainly would not buy (or even build) a Windows 10 PC. But, hey, YMMV.
 
Yeah! USB-C!!!

Now, that's what I call innovation!

Not like these other companies, which sell boring, boring stuff for half the price! Like this one:

yoga-book-2.jpg


http://bgr.com/2016/10/17/lenovo-yoga-book-review-release-date/
That's pretty slick looking.
 
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