There are plenty of Kaby Lake machines hitting the shelves already though. Based on this rumor did Apple not get early enough, or is there a Skylake that gives them better bang?
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Ming-Chi Kuo is not in China but Taiwan where NDA are indeed enforced. Please do not confuse Taiwan with China.
You really have some great points. And long-standing experience to back it up too. I converted to Macs in 2006 and fell in love with them, of course for the ease of use, but also for the principles and way in which things were designed. Now its gone in an entirely different direction and not one that supports the user.
I switched careers about 5 years ago and am now a working creative professional. I rely on heavy processing and I travel, alot. It will become increasingly more difficult to remember which dongles I need for what. I'm all for advancing technology forward, but not at my own expense, especially when these are some of the tools that puts bread on my table.
There are many, many things I love about Apple...but I feel like they are slowly driving me away.
Hmm maybe. According to Macworld.co.uk stated they had a source who work closely with Apple and said it would be launch by October/November.
It's all in the thread. There are different classes and power bands in Intel chips. They haven't released anything more powerful than the weak 15w ones yet. Yes even has well or broadwell (never mind skylake) outperform these variations in their 28/25 watt forms
I would love to see a pie chart from Apple showing the breakdown Mac sales so that we could see just how popular each of the models is in comparison to each other. I for one am a big Mini fan and hope to see it continue in the line up especially given what some companies are now doing with mini pcs like the latest Nuc.
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Did you forget when Tim Cook asked, "Why would you want a PC anymore?"
After all, Tim Cook thinks you just need an iPad.
Did you also forget that Apple released a commercial saying that the iPad "Pro" is a PC?
To all you guys arguing that Apple is not behind and is using current tech everywhere. That there is no need to do anything with current designs because there is nowhere to go, until someone else finishes their own R&D. I am sorry, but that is not something I expect from innovative company. I agree that laptops are basically up to date, but the issue here is somewhere else.
It lies with the PRO lineup. And by PRO, I mean people who really need raw computational power. If Apple decided that it is wise to redesign Mac Pro to current formfactor and in the same time is not willing to provide frequent updates, than it is not feasible pro machine. iMac is the same story. Yes, I know that there is the issue with availability of newer processors, but look at the GPUs they are using. Maybe the team, that is currently waiting for Intel to do their homework, should spend their time playing with up to date GPUs and ways how to integrate desktop class chips inside that body. They could call it iMac Pro and charge some extra. I don't care. (although I would prefer something more flexible and upgradeable...)
I understand that we are very small group of users. That there is not much to be earned from this kind of products. But with all that is happening around VR presentations, augmented reality applications and many other situations where you rely on on-site computational power... Apple might soon realize, that there is no one left creating those kind of applications for their consumer grade devices. I want to show real-time rendered walkthrough of newly designed house to my clients on Apple machine, but it seems that this could be done much easier using different platform. I feel like the machines are limiting the way I can deliver my creative ideas. That isn't something I would expect from Apple few years ago...
It lies with the PRO lineup. And by PRO, I mean people who really need raw computational power. If Apple decided that it is wise to redesign Mac Pro to current formfactor and in the same time is not willing to provide frequent updates, than it is not feasible pro machine. iMac is the same story. Yes, I know that there is the issue with availability of newer processors, but look at the GPUs they are using. Maybe the team, that is currently waiting for Intel to do their homework, should spend their time playing with up to date GPUs and ways how to integrate desktop class chips inside that body. They could call it iMac Pro and charge some extra. I don't care. (although I would prefer something more flexible and upgradeable...)
I understand that we are very small group of users. That there is not much to be earned from this kind of products. But with all that is happening around VR presentations, augmented reality applications and many other situations where you rely on on-site computational power... Apple might soon realize, that there is no one left creating those kind of applications for their consumer grade devices. I want to show real-time rendered walkthrough of newly designed house to my clients on Apple machine, but it seems that this could be done much easier using different platform. I feel like the machines are limiting the way I can deliver my creative ideas. That isn't something I would expect from Apple few years ago...
And people that are frustrated b/c Skylake is "old" tech haven't followed those releases either. While the family is old, the CPUs appropriate for most Apple devices are not.
So for CPU's even you concede I think that there wasn't much to be done in most of Apple's lineup. For GPU's, well, there's nothing new there. Macs have never had the fastest, newest GPU's, they're just not a priority. They're driven by gaming on the PC side and that isn't really on the radar for Apple. Again, nothing new.
As for the Mac Pro specifically, yes, if I'd bought one of these I might be wondering if they're a dead end right now and thinking about alternatives. No idea what Apple was thinking there.
GPU updates were even more depressing than CPU updates during the slow stretch. There wasn't much to refresh with.
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Bug-free being a really important part that people overlook. I had an early Skylake notebook and it was a major disaster that I returned in my first month. It was really, really problematic.
I think that many professional may have already jumped ship.
$2,000 Custom PC vs $4,000 Mac Pro
Given so much of the Mac Pro's market is professionals, the professional thing for Apple to do is either update it or be honest is their loyal users that the Mac Pro is dead and announce that it will be discontinued on some date. The Mac Pro isn't like that iPhone, Apple don't need to be so secretive about it. When Apple transitioned form OS9 to OSX, they were open with people about the time line, they allowed professionals to keep running OS9 for sometime if they needed to.
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You're referring to the Macbook? That laptop is garbage. Can't believe Cook has the balls to put a price that high on something completely underpowered.
But that is what I was trying to say. It seems that classical CPU architecture is hitting its limits. I understand that and accept that. I also understand that GPUs used to be neglected, because their primary use was in fields, that Apple (and its consumers) never focused on. But my point is, that times are changing and GPUs can now be used for so many other things (which would be very useful for traditional Mac user). So why is Apple still neglecting this area, since it could be easy to gain new capabilities. Isn't it better than just waiting?
All I know about these computers based on current trends is they will be shipping with yesterdays Fisher Price graphics cards. Disgraceful.
Sure, I'd like see that too. There was a lot of hype of this a few years ago and I guess AMD bet the farm on the APU concept (and look at where they are) but it seems like it never amounted to much in mainstream computing. If you're saying it'd have been great if Apple were the ones that made that fly then you'll find me in total agreement with that notion.
Side note: this stupid cartoon meme thing always makes me laugh with respect to Intel and AMD's respective strategies
In many cases, people are wanting Apple to upgrade to a new CPU line for the sake of being new, despite the fact that the new parts available would be slower than the old parts in use.. particularly on the iGPU side. That's what all these threads have shown for years.
I think after the "DON'T BUY" status has been displayed for a certain amount of time, it should read "JUST GET A PC".
Agreed. Tim seems to be more of a figurehead than anything else. I don't feel his heart is quite into it.