It's not the hardware that would make "jumping ship" so onerous, it would be getting used to the awful OS that is Windows. Many video editors have left after the FCP fiasco, but they went to Premiere for Mac. And many of them are cutting on 5K iMacs. I'm talking about professionals in broadcast shops using iMacs. That's still not something I want to do, as I like server grade hardware and my 2012 Mac Pro Tower is still chugging along. I'm hoping they update the trash can Mac Pro, but it may be on a 3 or 4 year cycle now. EVERYTHING else in this long thread is speculation and you can basically take many of the posts and insert a few different names and they're exactly like posts that were put up 10 years ago. Let's just see what happens on the 27th and skip all the bloviation and drama until then.
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It's not the hardware that would make "jumping ship" so onerous, it would be getting used to the awful OS that is Windows. Many video editors have left after the FCP fiasco, but they went to Premiere for Mac. And many of them are cutting on 5K iMacs. I'm talking about professionals in broadcast shops using iMacs. That's still not something I want to do, as I like server grade hardware and my 2012 Mac Pro Tower is still chugging along. I'm hoping they update the trash can Mac Pro, but it may be on a 3 or 4 year cycle now. EVERYTHING else in this long thread is speculation and you can basically take many of the posts and insert a few different names and they're exactly like posts that were put up 10 years ago. Let's just see what happens on the 27th and skip all the bloviation and drama until then.
Yup. And it's a total misuse of the phrase "hello again" to market it ...
I have the 2011 MBP, which had a different keyboard ("taller" keys) vs. the rMBPs introduced in 2012. How does the three keyboard designs stack up? cMBP (2012 and earlier); rMBP (2012-2015), and rMB (2015-2016)?
I'm tending to agree.
It really is sad that the Mac has been this neglected.
Apple has long promised the ecosystem solution, the idevices have become the gateways, and for most consumer (emphasis on consume) the idevices can replace a PC, for content creators and designers we still need something competitive-imagine if an iPhone went 1000+ days without an update or a price drop.
Someone fell aslee at the wheel.
Wait...only MBPs and MBAs with usb-c but no retina? And yet the event is scheduled for TWO hours? What is going on?
Well, you know... teaching rap to a room full of developers/journalists and making sure the keynote is ethnically diverse takes a lot of time.
God that keynote was a train wreck, surely this one can't be much worse.
/optimism
That's partly the way Apple bundles things. They push for high minimum sales. Sometimes you get more than others. The offset applied to refurbished units is also significant. I would probably purchase a similar configuration if I needed to buy an imac today.
The 13" MacBook Pro uses 28W U-class processors. 15W U-class processors like the i7-7500U are used in the MacBook Air. 28W Kaby Lake chips are still months away.
Thank you. I got my classes mixed up there. Still U but a higher wattage variant in MBP 13" then
It's also noticeable that all the consoles use AMD. They must give good deals to volume purchasers.
I wonder if either one (AMD or nVidia) has plans to support Apple's new graphics lovechild Metal.
I don't think it requires support as such? It's an API built atop low level hardware calls. I mean I guess they could accelerate specifically but I don't think it breaks any new ground in the low level functions it requires.
I'm still using my late 2012 27" iMac
Even if I had the cash not sure if I'd upgrade yet?If they are going to have a 15" & 13" MacBook Pro, and a 12" macbook....wouldn't it make more sense to keep the 11" MacBook Air and discontinue the 13" MacBook Air instead of the other way round? Why Keep a 13" MacBook Air when it'll be so close in size to the 12" MacBook and the new thinner 13" MacBook pro? If they're gonna keep the Air name, why not just keep the 11" MacBook Air? That makes more sense to me since it'll be the smallest & "Airy-est" of all Apple's laptops. Just sayin.
I'm still using my late 2012 27" iMac
I had a late 2007 iMac which I only got rid of in early 2015 because I was moving from the UK to the US. It went from 10.4 Tiger to 10.10 Yosemite like a champ. It would only just have been only not able (without workarounds) to run the latest OS this september, a full 9 years after purchase. That in itself would not have made it any less useful or pleasant for the things I used it for (though I will grant you I had less strenuous uses for my home PC than my work one)
Great to hear how others are using their macs! I think your usage could very well be considered "pro"; after all, you earn your money with it.
I think part of the complaints are really unnecessary, the machines nowadays are just very powerful and upgrades (although welcome) only marginally add speed.
I have the feeling that lots of people are nostalgic and pine for the days where upgrades would really make a big difference. Intel would give you a new CPU and you'd either get hours of battery life or 25% higher speeds. That doesn't happen anymore, bit of a shame really
I think part of the trouble nowadays is that outside of Apple, who often wait too long to update their systems, so there's often a decent jump in performance between device releases.
Outside of the Apple ecosystem, where components are released every few months, there's not always a huge jump in component performance levels. At least not in the ones Apple would use. We need the next big discovery to really push the performance of parts, it's just not here yet.
I'm afraid I'm one of those who would welcome a shift by Apple to their own silicone. I mean just look at how powerful the A10 is in an iPhone. It can best some of Intels chips and it's a phone for goodness sake.
Now take that chip and scale it up to the other hardware, utilising the higher available power of a laptop or desktop system. Add a heat sink and fan if necessary. Then make it 4 or 6 core, up the clock frequency by at least 50% and you have one seriously powerful processor.
I firmly believe it's going to happen one day, I'm sure Apple already have a version of macOS running on it in one of their labs. It's just a matter of when, not if.
It will release Apple from the dependency of other companies roadmaps and allow them the complete control over their own schedules. It won't be an easy switch, but they've managed it before.
The big players will know well in advance, so they will have their software ready and waiting for the new architecture. Just as they did before.
There will be people up in arms over the loss of native Windows compatibility no doubt. But companies such as Parallels and VMWare will be ready and waiting with solutions to take advantage of the situation. And even Microsoft themselves are paving the way for compatibility with such a move by Apple with the Universal Windows Plarform, which has been created specifically to allow developers to create their apps in a single code base which can run on a variety of devices from Arm chips right up to traditional X86 hardware.
I could be wrong, after all I've been awake for 42 hours so my poor wee brain isn't at it's best
But I do think that's the way forward for Apple in the future. And though I'll be in a small minority I'm actually rather looking forward to it happening.
What specs on the MacBook Pros would make you really happy? I'm not in the market for a new one, but it would be interesting to see what people want in their new machines.
Hit the nail on the head. Great response.
I think part of the trouble nowadays is that outside of Apple, who often wait too long to update their systems, so there's often a decent jump in performance between device releases.
Outside of the Apple ecosystem, where components are released every few months, there's not always a huge jump in component performance levels. At least not in the ones Apple would use. We need the next big discovery to really push the performance of parts, it's just not here yet.
I'm afraid I'm one of those who would welcome a shift by Apple to their own silicone. I mean just look at how powerful the A10 is in an iPhone. It can best some of Intels chips and it's a phone for goodness sake.
Now take that chip and scale it up to the other hardware, utilising the higher available power of a laptop or desktop system. Add a heat sink and fan if necessary. Then make it 4 or 6 core, up the clock frequency by at least 50% and you have one seriously powerful processor.
I firmly believe it's going to happen one day, I'm sure Apple already have a version of macOS running on it in one of their labs. It's just a matter of when, not if.
It will release Apple from the dependency of other companies roadmaps and allow them the complete control over their own schedules. It won't be an easy switch, but they've managed it before.
The big players will know well in advance, so they will have their software ready and waiting for the new architecture. Just as they did before.
There will be people up in arms over the loss of native Windows compatibility no doubt. But companies such as Parallels and VMWare will be ready and waiting with solutions to take advantage of the situation. And even Microsoft themselves are paving the way for compatibility with such a move by Apple with the Universal Windows Plarform, which has been created specifically to allow developers to create their apps in a single code base which can run on a variety of devices from Arm chips right up to traditional X86 hardware.
I could be wrong, after all I've been awake for 42 hours so my poor wee brain isn't at it's best
Despite your "uptime"
I think it's a comprehensive and correct post. Apple will at some point put their future back in their own hands by switching to their own CPUs. My guess is 2018 or 2019.I said it earlier in the thread but 80% or so of my work Mac use is indeed virtualising x86 OS' with VMWare. Should that day come and my x86 Mac is no longer fitting my requirements I'll probably just build a VMWare server at home or use the office infrastructure and do what I always do. 99% of the time I'm SSH'ing, and the other 1% doing X Forwarding or RDP. I can't remember the last client site I needed to use a VM where I either didn't have guest WIFI or was able to use my mobile hotspot. You could argue that a server, rather than a laptop, is a more appropriate place to run VM's anyway.
I'm still using my late 2012 27" iMac
Right now, I'm typing this reply on my late-2012 iMac (21.5"), still working like a champ, no issues. By next year, I might want that brand new iMac out of the box smell. So if Apple releases new iMacs in early 2017, that works for me!
"Except Asus and several other OEM's are already shipping laptops which use the same Kaby Lake parts an updated MacBook Pro would use"
Wrong. The only laptops shipping with Kaby Lake processors are ones that utilize the 15W low-power Kaby Lake processors. There's no one using MBP-grade Kaby Lake chips. If they are, they are Skylake processors. I'll bet you.
For the love of God either educate yourself externally or read the thread. Seriously.
Kaby Lake HQ processors won't be released till 2017. The Skylake HQ processors were out since summer.
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Yeah no kidding.
Grr. Sorry, tired. You're correct of course and I meant to say Kaby HQ.
Edit: yep, just when back and checked and I was responding to someone saying Kaby was shipping on other laptops but I had a brain fart and typed Skylake
Excellent...
It's really sad this will likely whoosh over most peoples' heads here. Or, if understood, be quickly forgotten. People get so hung up on CPU project names (like Haswell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, etc.), thinking if they don't have a laptop with a CPU bearing the latest project name, Apple is slagging or being greedy pushing last year's tech.