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Apple could cut costs by using their A10 ARM chips in laptops... why don't they do it ?
Actually we know for a fact that they just added A10 support to macOS
Maybe we'll get A10 mac book air in a few days !

I,m surprised no one here is talking about this possibility...

Because almost no one here wants arm based macs. It would result in massive compatability issues with current software, loss of windows support, a likely fleeing of developers and brings with it no guarantee of performance advancements in the future as good as or better than intel could do.
 
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but the unibody MBP before the retina was the same design for 2008-2012, and before that the original MBP was the same design as the aluminum PowerBook G4, which came out in 2003...so four year and five year cycles respectively.

It was sarcasm. Hence the two parts to the joke.
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They are rumored to roll out in January 2017. So we waited all year to get end of life CPU and a magical LED strip. Apple has really screwed over mac users.

See the link I posted, you'll be lucky if they are here by Feb/March (so thats 4-5 months away) and then there is a problem with what discrete graphics the H series would have for the 15" rMBP.

You're worrying far to much about the names on these chips, Kaby Lake will ofter little to no difference, USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 is the big upgrade. It's a very PC mentality to want the latest Intel chip name.
 
This opinion, while still an opinion, is less anecdotal than you might think. Lot's of turnover in the Apple Car team and record high update cycles on many of their products just to reference a few of the many articles posted on this site which would suggest Apple is, at the very least, distracted at the moment. Not sure if you've seen lately, but the macrumors buyer guide lists every mac but one as a "don't buy."

The Apple Car is one possible explanation as to why they are lagging in every other area of their business.
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I see how my wording could be confusing. I don't mean "their" as in the mac team, I mean "their" as in Apple. They are at the very least, distracted, no arguing that fact.

I'm aware MacRumors buying guide has had the MacBooks as 'Dont Buy' and it's been like that for quite some time. Reason being, is its been predicted for a refesh update for months. Naturally, a reasonable person would not purchase an outdated product, when a refresh is imminent.

As far as the Apple Car is concerned, it's all smoke and Mirrors. We, the general public, have no idea if the Apple Car even exists and Apple has never acknowledged anything about the Car project. As far as I'm concerned, the Apple car will never happen.
 
It's been raised a few times and, barring Apple shocking us all in a few days with an ARMbook, I think the really interesting question is "Why don't they do it yet?" and the answer (my answer at least) to that is, unless they've cooked (pun unintended) something up in the lab in total secrecy, the current A* chips aren't quite there yet. If and when they can release something with at least equivalent power and with other benefits (much lower power consumption for example) then I think they will begin a move to their own chips. Apple like total control over every moving piece. My bet is 2 or 3 years before we see these. This is, of course, just a guess.

You're assuming the typical method of a single processor as the main brain. It would be possible that the ARM proc's are more like ASIC's, in the sense that certain parts of the OS are handled by certain proc's. So if they were to include say 3, each one would be handling specific parts of the OS.

Edit: I'm not saying this would be a good method, but at least one that could offer a solution if they were to ship a MB with currently known Ax proc's.
 
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I would love for Apple to make these available in store on the 27th, since I'll be down in Delaware where's there's no sales tax. Doesn't seem likely though.
 
You're assuming the typical method of a single processor as the main brain. It would be possible that the ARM proc's are more like ASIC's, in the sense that certain parts of the OS are handled by certain proc's. So if they were to include say 3, each one would be handling specific parts of the OS.

Edit: I'm not saying this would be a good method, but at least one that could offer a solution if they were to ship a MB with currently known Ax proc's.

I am making the assumption that it's a drop-in/like for like (in the hardware sense, obviously not for the software) replacement, with no exotic hardware changes, yes. I say that mainly because the transition will have to be a smooth one for developers, little more than a fiddle and a recompile for existing software. Moving to more exotic architectures would probably require fundamental rework and rethinking of existing software.

Let's put it this way if Microsoft can't port Office (probably easier than ever for them right now. They really cleaned that codebase up to make it run everywhere) and Adobe can't port Creative Suite (as much of a cluster**** as it ever was) for day one then the idea is dead in the water in my opinion. I'm not sure binary translators will cut it in the interim this time around either but, who knows, there are a lot of smart cookies at Apple (or could be acquired by Apple)
 
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KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has released a new research report outlining his expectations for next Thursday's "Hello Again" event where Apple is expected to make a number of Mac-related announcements.

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In line with long-standing rumors, Kuo believes the highlight of the event will be a redesigned MacBook Pro in both 13-inch and 15-inch sizes, adopting an OLED touch bar and Touch ID sensor, USB-C, Thunderbolt 3, and the same butterfly keyboard design introduced on the MacBook in 2015. Kuo also adds several new tidbits to the rumor mix:Beyond the MacBook Pro, Kuo says Apple will also be introducing a "13-inch MacBook," a claim he has shared previously. Rather than being a slightly larger version of the current 12-inch MacBook, however, this is likely to be a MacBook Air, which would align with other rumors claiming that only the 13-inch MacBook Air will be seeing an update with new USB-C ports.

On the desktop side, rumors have indicated that Apple is working on updated iMac models with discrete AMD graphics options, as well as a new standalone external 5K display, but Kuo says those products will not be ready until the first half of next year. It is still possible, however, that Apple could announce them at next week's event.Apple's event is being held at the company's Cupertino campus and kicks off at 10:00 AM Pacific Time on Thursday. MacRumors will have full coverage both here on the site and on our @MacRumorsLive Twitter account, and Apple will be offering a live video stream of the event.

Article Link: New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet


It's been so long I dont even care anymore.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that Apple migrating to an AIO pro machine would be a good thing? Or has the sarcasm dial looped right round?

AIO iMacs are useful in that you can sell a single simplified package to consumers rather than just a portion of their purchase, with most compromises being fairly acceptable for the purpose.
But a pro machine?
Let's start at the beginning and point out that the integrated display is probably not the desired one for such users, so a big expensive component is either not a selling point, or a negative (in that it'll have to be hidden away somewhere, and there's a cost).
But desk space is a premium, so this great bulky object with an undesirable screen would have to be located out of the way somewhere. The size and shape (and orientation) won't help with this.
Then there's the practicality of this: Higher power units require more cooling, so even if it was to be used as an on-desk unit, there would have to be some serious fan/vent/radiator innovation.
Then the upgradablity: this is not a benefit of the AIO design. Just because the nMP doesn't offer a lot in this area doesn't mean that an there's nothing left to lose.
What else? Oh. More ports? Other than being a chipset design decision; probably unreachable round the back. Better processors? Yes please (subject to availability). Also probably harder to integrate into the restrictions of an AIO form.


Yeah, you were right at the start. It was very tongue in cheek ;)
 
The one's we will probably end up seeing in the updated MBA...

Yep, if the new rumored 13" inch is an mba it'll end up in there. I suppose there's also a possibility it will be a high end MacBook but I'm not sure how the thermals would play out with one of those being fanless
 
Because almost no one here wants arm based macs. It would result in massive compatability issues with current software, loss of windows support, a likely fleeing of developers and brings with it no guarantee of performance advancements in the future as good as or better than intel could do.

You may be correct about people here not wanting ARM-based Macs. But MacRumors members represent a minority of Mac users, who care much more about what the processor and other hardware deliver than the technical details. Boot Camp and virtualization software like Parallels would go away, but what percentage of Mac users require them?

If—and I realize that this is a big if—Apple can produce Macs that run current software quickly and tools that let developers create new apps without a lot of extra work, ARM could be a way for Apple to get out from under Intel's increasingly uncertain schedule. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'd be shocked if Apple didn't have a serious program to investigate it. Personally, I'm keeping an open mind.
 
You may be correct about people here not wanting ARM-based Macs. But MacRumors members represent a minority of Mac users, who care much more about what the processor and other hardware deliver than the technical details. Boot Camp and virtualization software like Parallels would go away, but what percentage of Mac users require them?

If—and I realize that this is a big if—Apple can produce Macs that run current software quickly and tools that let developers create new apps without a lot of extra work, ARM could be a way for Apple to get out from under Intel's increasingly uncertain schedule. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'd be shocked if Apple didn't have a serious program to investigate it. Personally, I'm keeping an open mind.

I'd like to see zero fan with rMBP i5 in Parallels 11 W7
and zero fan when watching amazon Prime video with the 'thing' thats known as 'Silverlight'. what are amazon thinking.

Netflix and html5 cool as a cucumber - 40 degrees.
 
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Because almost no one here wants arm based macs. It would result in massive compatability issues with current software, loss of windows support, a likely fleeing of developers and brings with it no guarantee of performance advancements in the future as good as or better than intel could do.
Yes, but in case you hadn't noticed, Apple doesn't care what we want, we're getting why they want (or going elsewhere).
 
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I'd like to see zero fan with rMBP i5 in Parallels 11 W7
and zero fan when watching amazon Prime video with the 'thing' thats known as 'Silverlight'. what are amazon thinking.

Netflix and html5 cool as a cucumber - 40 degrees.

I'm traveling for work at the moment and my gf texted me to ask, "I'm trying to watch Amazon video. How do I get Silverlight?" and I was like, "You don't. Watch it on the iPad and airplay it to the TV". Silverlight. Not even once.
 
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Again: think... the product engineers are in their old familiar building, working on products, while a number of miles down the road dedicated people are working on the new building.
I thought that had all their stuff packed for the last 18 months, and when they come to work they just sit around for eight hours every day to wait for the removal van?
 
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I'm traveling for work at the moment and my gf texted me to ask, "I'm trying to watch Amazon video. How do I get Silverlight?" and I was like, "You don't. Watch it on the iPad and airplay it to the TV". Silverlight. Not even once.
Agreed. It's terrible under Windows as well. I just wish Netflix would improve their volume. When using headphones, I have to tweak with my sound board to get some amplification without distorting the audio. If it's going to TV or without headphones, it works fine. But when you have kids, you can't exactly blast machine gun noise at night or watch a normal (see:boring) movie with your wife at a loud volume.
 
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