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Razer has released a gaming laptop that contains Kabylake CPU good enough for the 13" Macbook pro - or better.

http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth

Not needing to make the same point as others about the CPU, but on another note: I really wish Apple did _exactly_ that. Ie a TB3-powered external GPU case so that you can dock your laptop for some heavy work and/or gaming, while still having a good portable laptop for travel and such. Been waiting for that since TB1 was introduced.
 
I tried to explain to that some dolt in PRSI a few weeks ago and was told that many people loved Windows 10. I've yet to see a post or article that wasn't paid off or astroturfed by Microsoft to praise their wretched OS.
I find Windows 10 lovely and would love it if my work PC (running Windows 7) would be upgraded to it.

I still prefer OS X, mostly out of habit and ecosystem lock-in, but if Apple won't deliver the hardware I want my next laptop could very well be a Windows PC. The OS won't stop me.
 
Not needing to make the same point as others about the CPU, but on another note: I really wish Apple did _exactly_ that. Ie a TB3-powered external GPU case so that you can dock your laptop for some heavy work and/or gaming, while still having a good portalble laptop for travel and such. Been waiting for that since TB1 was introduced.

Yep, I hope to see this as a possibility too. That really would greatly increase the flexibility of these machines.
 
I understand the timelines.. Is razer just announcing or actually shipping this machine now?

Engadget has actually reviewed this machine... Could be just a review machine with engineering samples... Seems a bit nearly though for reviewable machine.

What is it about this that people are not understanding? The fastest Kaby chip that can possibly have is the 15w one. If Apple put a 15w Kabylake in the 13" rMBP it will be slower in general computation than the Haswell part they have now. There is no argument here and nothing you Google or nothing anyone else builds with ULV Kaby will change that. The appropriate chips will not be released until next year
 
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Yep, I hope to see this as a possibility too. That really would greatly increase the flexibility of these machines.

Per previous rumors, Apple is working on something similar with the only difference being that the GPU will be integrated into the monitor as opposed to being a separate box.
 
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watch people (get screwed) buy MacBook pros with skylake over the next few weeks to only be silently refreshed with Kaby Lake in 2-3 months with 3 to 5 hours of more battery life...... smh
I got screwed with the original iPad Air only for them to release a far better, more complete model a year later with more RAM and an in-cell display.

I'm never buying a first gen Apple product again.
 
Per previous rumors, Apple is working on something similar with the only difference being that the GPU will be integrated into the monitor as opposed to being a separate box.

IF they introduced a display with a standard pci-e port where you could fit basically any modern GPU (assuming there are drivers for them), I'd be happy. If they go this route, I bet they would use custom apple-branded gpus that are half the speed and ten times the price of normal gpu's :(
 
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Which would make the package more expensive and limit graphic card options... Assuming apple wont allow user replaceable GPU

Per previous rumors, Apple is working on something similar with the only difference being that the GPU will be integrated into the monitor as opposed to being a separate box.
 
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I understand the timelines.. Is razer just announcing or actually shipping this machine now?

Engadget has actually reviewed this machine...

I have no idea. They could be working with a pre-prod 45w Kaby or they might just be using 15w. I suspect the GPU is much more important in gaming (though I know some games do end up CPU bound too)
 
Public beta started in October 2014 and still they haven't managed to move most of the settings into the new/modern/metro/whateveritscalledthesedays Control Panel. Which control panel is the setting you're looking for in? Who knows! Wheeeeee! That kind of basic disregard for usuability is reflected in every millimeter of the OS. It's truly horrible.
There is some usability issues with a fresh W7 install, but they're quickly amended. I have no idea why they continued 10 with how 8 was. Windows 10 isn't inherently bad, it's just poorly conceived. There's a fine line between what customers want and what a company thinks customers want. One of the things I didn't like about W7 was the Superbar. Which is heavily OSX inspired since Microsoft and Apple share ideas often as a result of their past court dealings. It works for some, but it's not terribly useful for me. A lot of issues result with the upgrade process, but I've had issues on a drive I'll sometimes turn on and boot from to see what's new with W10. A clean install will fix or address a lot of issues, but due to the OS getting near complete updates and refreshes, it puts a lot of work into component manufacturers and OEMs to constantly develop new drivers because Micrisoft just fudged their drivers that are now incompatible because a dev in Redmond decided to move a few zeros over to improve performance by a fifth of a percent.
 
Per previous rumors, Apple is working on something similar with the only difference being that the GPU will be integrated into the monitor as opposed to being a separate box.

Ah. Thanks. Have to agree with others that that's probably not ideal. Very Apple-y though so I can buy that it's true.
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There is some usability issues with a fresh W7 install, but they're quickly amended. I have no idea why they continued 10 with how 8 was. Windows 10 isn't inherently bad, it's just poorly conceived. There's a fine line between what customers want and what a company thinks customers want. One of the things I didn't like about W7 was the Superbar. Which is heavily OSX inspired since Microsoft and Apple share ideas often as a result of their past court dealings. It works for some, but it's not terribly useful for me. A lot of issues result with the upgrade process, but I've had issues on a drive I'll sometimes turn on and boot from to see what's new with W10. A clean install will fix or address a lot of issues, but due to the OS getting near complete updates and refreshes, it puts a lot of work into component manufacturers and OEMs to constantly develop new drivers because Micrisoft just fudged their drivers that are now incompatible because a dev in Redmond decided to move a few zeros over to improve performance by a fifth of a percent.

Honestly, I genuinely hate it. The underlying technologies (NT Kernel, NTFS) are arguably superior to their equivalent on OS X but it's everything on top of those that I dislike at this point. When you look at the simple elegance of Windows 2000 and compare it the OS Of Many Control Panels you really have to ask what went wrong (the answer is trying to chase Apple into tablets and mobile trying to drag along compatibility with 20+ years of software in no way designed for touch)
 
I really don't see the point in keeping the Macbook Airs anymore. The 12" MacBooks are as small and light, and the upcoming MacBook pros will be thinner and lighter too. The term "Air" used to mean something. Now it doesn't. So really, what's the point. Doesn't make any sense. They also are the only macs -or devices- without retina displays. Which also doesn't make sense. Get rid of the MacBook airs completely, and simplify the laptop line up.
 
Which would make the package more expensive and limit graphic card options... Assuming apple wont allow user replaceable GPU

Agreed. Which is why (knock on wood) I hope they dig deep into their engineering prowess and find a way to make the GPU upgradable. But we'll see.
 
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I find Windows 10 lovely and would love it if my work PC (running Windows 7) would be upgraded to it.

I still prefer OS X, mostly out of habit and ecosystem lock-in, but if Apple won't deliver the hardware I want my next laptop could very well be a Windows PC. The OS won't stop me.
I think Windows 10 is great. The big difference is it seems like the applications are better built and more stable day-to-day on a mac. I'm not knocking Windows 10 at all, it's fantastic. Microsoft just doesn't control the hardware (minus the surface line)
 
It's a gaming laptop so has to be more powerful than anything than goes into Macbook... So not the kaby lake CPUs shipping today.


It's not shipping yet.
I have no idea. They could be working with a pre-prod 45w Kaby or they might just be using 15w. I suspect the GPU is much more important in gaming (though I know some games do end up CPU bound too)
 
I really don't see the point in keeping the Macbook Airs anymore. The 12" MacBooks are as small and light, and the upcoming MacBook pros will be thinner and lighter too. The term "Air" used to mean something. Now it doesn't. So really, what's the point. Doesn't make any sense. They also are the only macs -or devices- without retina displays. Which also doesn't make sense. Get rid of the MacBook airs completely, and simplify the laptop line up.

I would only be let down if the new pros are not thinner and lighter. I'm not even worried about thin, just a slightly smaller foot print would be perfect. Sky lake vs Kaby, most people will not even notice - including myself.
 
Honestly, I genuinely hate it. The underlying technologies (NT Kernel, NTFS) are arguably superior to their equivalent on OS X but it's everything on top of those that I dislike at this point. When you look at the simple elegance of Windows 2000 and compare it the OS Of Many Control Panels you really have to ask what went wrong (the answer is trying to chase Apple into tablets and mobile trying to drag along compatibility with 20+ years of software in no way designed for touch)
Windows 2000 was fantastic. I loved it. Simple, fast, usable.

I'm often wondering when ReFS will be improved for consumer use. But Microsoft may have held out to see Apple complete their APFS and use their customers as guinea pigs. But seeing as these two are more aligned than customers think they are. Microsoft may pay for use of the APFS and port it to Windows. Being backwards compatible with NTFS will be critical.
 
Ah. Thanks. Have to agree with others that that's probably not ideal. Very Apple-y though so I can buy that it's true.
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Honestly, I genuinely hate it. The underlying technologies (NT Kernel, NTFS) are arguably superior to their equivalent on OS X but it's everything on top of those that I dislike at this point. When you look at the simple elegance of Windows 2000 and compare it the OS Of Many Control Panels you really have to ask what went wrong (the answer is trying to chase Apple into tablets and mobile trying to drag along compatibility with 20+ years of software in no way designed for touch)

https://9to5mac.com/2016/06/24/apple-display-integrated-gpu-discontinued-thunderbolt-display/
 
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I think that's where things are headed, unfortunately. I could see Apple just dropping the Mac Pro completely (using the relatively poor reviews of the new "trash can" design as an excuse) and just telling power users to consider a high-end iMac 27" instead.

The type of customer who really makes use of the Xeon CPU instead of a Pentium 4 class processor tends to be someone doing heavy virtualization these days, and I'm not sure Apple has much interest in catering to that need? Programs like Parallels or VMWare Fusion are fine for iMacs and other Macs where you just need a way to run a Windows 10 session inside OS X. But that's not what I'm referring to here.

If they can get really good graphics processors in the new iMacs, it will cover the demand for a "3D gaming capable" Mac, which is a much bigger market than people wanting a Pro "workstation class" Mac at thousands of dollars extra.


Oh, well. I guess spring will just give me more time to save up for an iMac. (Since there is nothing at all about a Mac Pro...)
 
It has a search function, you know...

I'm very well aware. It's quite literally the only way to be sure of going to the correct Control Panel the first time, especially as they keep rejigging things on a constant basis (who the hell thought that model of constant change would sit well with Corporates?). At least they did a half decent job of the indexing and keywords for the search.
 
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