New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet

[tech4all]

Where the hell is the Mac Pro?

I'm glad they're releasing yet another Macbook/Macbook Pro and another iMac but these have been getting relatively steady updates through the years. I'm genuinely getting concerned that the Mac Pro is a dead product now.

Sh*t.

http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/



I'd like to say I'm joking, but I think they're may be some truth to that.

They'll bring back the old Mac Pro tower with updated internals. They'll call it the Mac Pro Pro and it will start at 20 grand.

And come with a 5400 RPM hard drive.

But in all seriousness, I'd wish they bring back to old form factor with internal storage and expansion slots.

 

[citysnaps]

Are not KL equipped laptops due in Q1 2017? Given its going to be November 2016, we are getting old tech, which probably will not get refreshed for 12 months. So that means KL MacBooks end of 2017...

I'd prefer apple jsut delay the launch to Q1 and give us KL. heck we waited this long, what a few more months.

Apple could delay, but the holiday season is coming up, more sales if they launch now.

I suspect they'll refresh with KL in 6 months with just a simple announcement rather than having a press event. The performance improvements will be modest, as they always are in sequential generations, despite some people thinking otherwise just because the CPU has a new "name" to get frothed up about.

 

[dannys1]

no iMacs or new display is ridiculous

Not really, the iMac isn't even 12 months old now - no Macs are being updated in less than 12 months anymore. It'll come next year when it makes the move to all USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 once the MacBook Pro's have made the transition - the 5k monitor prices have come down (because the 27" iMac really is a bargain, especially at the lower end) and AMD's discrete graphics are available.

 

[Cougarcat]

I don't think Kaby Lake has anything available in the mobile performance category the MacBook Pros are in yet (though it's been a while since I looked into it, so that may have changed). That is, there is no mobile i7 or high performance i5 Kaby Lake. That being said, I totally expect a quiet update to the new pros in spring or summer when they become available.

Yes, they are supposed to come out early next year.

I think Apple is more likely to skip KL altogether, especially because it doesn't have the integrated GPU option Apple uses for the 15".

Not really, the iMac isn't even 12 months old now - no Macs are being updated in less than 12 months anymore.

What about the 21.5? It was never updated to Skylake.

 

[rp2011]

Actually, Walt does his work on a 13 inch MacBook Air.

You may be right. But I've listened to him rhapsodize about his use of the iPad for work. But in any case, honestly, now after you can have your words slam down, or see balloons fall beautifully across the screen, or see your heartbeat, I doubt Walt or Anybody can go back to those old relics of the past.

And there's that microphone button. I dictate all my reports on the drive to work and only add the full screen laser effect when I get to the office and am ready to submit it.

 

[BreadofWonder]

5 years since Thunderbolt display received an update, and it's still not ready. What is happening to this company.

Probably the fact that those $1000 displays make up something like .0000001% of their revenue (totally made up number btw, but you get my point). The only people who really care about this caliber of display are video/photo professionals who, unfortunately, have become an afterthought in Apple's business plans.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

I feel sad reading these comments... Some people keeps going on and on about Skylake vs Kaby Lake in the MacBook Pro. Do you guys even know what SKU's are? Intel's CPU line-up exists of several tiers and SKU's. Just because Intel has deliver a few Kaby Lake CPU's on the market is not the same thing as Kaby Lake being available in all tiers and SKU's.

The SKU's that Apple uses, especially in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models does not exists in Kaby Lake form as of today. They won't be available until Q1 2017. How do you expect Apple to ship the new MacBook Pro with CPU's that does not exist? Would you rather prefer that Apple goes one step down on their SKU tier and provide lower core-count, lower IPC and and clock rates with inferior integrated graphic chips just so they can ship them with Kaby Lake instead of Skylake?


As of today, the only Kaby Lake SKU's being widely available are the Intel Core M aka "ULV" equivalent CPU's suited for the fan-less MacBook 12-inch and the low performing LV models like i3-7100U, i5-7200U and i7-7500U. None of these are SKU's on the level that Apple normally uses in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models.


Apple is awaiting the Intel i7-7770HQ, but it's not available until Q1 2017 at the earliest. How can you be so stupid that you expect Apple to deliver CPU's that does not even exist as of this date?

I don't expect any CPU updates. There are plenty of options in current gen. Design change, SSD as standard, bump up RAM, bump up GPU. Plenty of options. All of this could have been done 6-7 months ago.

 

[iTeachMath]

I just need to see pricing to decide which way I will lean.

I'm with you. But, if the MB and MBP have the same keyboard, both are retina, MBP loses the SD card slot, and the magic toolbar and touch id are two ways they are going to distinguish Pro vs. MB, then I'll be inclined to go for the cheaper MB no matter the price difference.

 

[MH01]

I suspect they'll refresh with KL in 6 months with just a simple announcement rather than having a press event. The performance improvements will be modest, as they always are in sequential generations, despite some people thinking otherwise just because the CPU has a new "name" to get frothed up about.

Every generation improvement is modest , between 10-15% hence I've had no reason to upgrade my 2012 rMBP.

I guess some people want that 10-15% when they buy premium.

Id be honestly suprised, gimmicks aside, If these machines actually give a substantial performance boast. It's really going to depend if apple is going for performance or really thin...the 2015 machines might still be the better machine for power users.

 

[asiga]

People were expecting that "hello again" implied some revolutionary news, or at least a new Mac that would wow everbody.

However, if Kuo predictions are right, the users reaction will be "hello?". And maybe they made a typo and they really meant "hello? again".

 

[Feenician]

I don't expect any CPU updates. There are plenty of options in current gen. Design change, SSD as standard, bump up RAM, bump up GPU. Plenty of options. All of this could have been done 6-7 months ago.

rMBP will definitely get Skylake and immediate release or pre-announced for Kaby Lake in Q1 2017. No way they're going to release another Haswell rMBP.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

I feel sad reading these comments... Some people keeps going on and on about Skylake vs Kaby Lake in the MacBook Pro. Do you guys even know what SKU's are? Intel's CPU line-up exists of several tiers and SKU's. Just because Intel has deliver a few Kaby Lake CPU's on the market is not the same thing as Kaby Lake being available in all tiers and SKU's.

The SKU's that Apple uses, especially in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models does not exists in Kaby Lake form as of today. They won't be available until Q1 2017. How do you expect Apple to ship the new MacBook Pro with CPU's that does not exist? Would you rather prefer that Apple goes one step down on their SKU tier and provide lower core-count, lower IPC and and clock rates with inferior integrated graphic chips just so they can ship them with Kaby Lake instead of Skylake?


As of today, the only Kaby Lake SKU's being widely available are the Intel Core M aka "ULV" equivalent CPU's suited for the fan-less MacBook 12-inch and the low performing LV models like i3-7100U, i5-7200U and i7-7500U. None of these are SKU's on the level that Apple normally uses in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models.


Apple is awaiting the Intel i7-7770HQ, but it's not available until Q1 2017 at the earliest. How can you be so stupid that you expect Apple to deliver CPU's that does not even exist as of this date?

Wise and educated post! I'm with you, I need to not read the gibberish in this thread either as it just brings me down too. Apple cannot release something that doesn't exist, yet there are tons of non-educated comments in this thread.

About the only thing I am rightfully concerned about is whether or not Apple will offer 32 GB of RAM in the new MBP. If they don't offer it, it would be ridiculous and then I would definitely be out. I can't justify a new $3K+ laptop that cannot keep up with the demands of my workflow for the next 3 years.

 

[Sasparilla]

Have to say with all this waiting that only doing a Macbook Air / Pro release blows. Better than nothing, but Apple Management is really neglecting the Mac line. We need updated Mini's (one with a Quad Core option), iMac (and a nVidia GTX-1070 option not 2nd rate AMD anymore), a Pro (preferably a rethought design that is upgradable like the prior one so it will sell) and the display should have happened at a lower resolution years ago with the 5k ready now.

And Skylake CPU now's? PC's (high end gaming laptop PC's in fact) got them for last Christmas for crying out loud. Get Intel to get you some updated CPU's for your 3k laptop Apple - like they used to. Apple is going to be looked on as having 2nd class/looser hardware for their PC class computers - and with good reason. People are waiting with money in hand - that's the crazy thing about this.

Oh, well. I guess spring will just give me more time to save up for an iMac. (Since there is nothing at all about a Mac Pro...)

I would guess there's a good chance Apple will just let the Mac Pro whither (which they've been doing) and die. Have to guess sales were not very good - then its all an expensive custom design that is probably expensive to do over for new CPU / GPU's. Wishing they'd update it too (or really give us an old style Mac Pro back), but the way Apple is working these days regarding Macs...have to say the odds are on the first guess.

 

[jdillings]

Please let him be wrong about the Mac Mini

 

[Hanzu Lao]

rMBP will definitely get Skylake and immediate release or pre-announced for Kaby Lake in Q1 2017. No way they're going to release another Haswell rMBP.

Probably, but it would work for iMac.

 

[iMcLovin]

Hahaha I'm laughing so hard at this, and I'm once again so happy I made the switch back to pc for my workstation.

If they haven't been able to update the iMac with a new gpu or made an updated Mac Pro for the event it has NOTHING to do with lack of time, then it's clearly lack of care!!!!

 

[Cougarcat]

I would guess there's a good chance Apple will just let the Mac Pro whither (which they've been doing) and die. Have to guess sales were not very good - then its all an expensive custom design that is probably expensive to do over for new CPU / GPU's. Wishing they'd update it too (or really give us an old style Mac Pro back), but the way Apple is working these days regarding Macs...

I hope, but do not believe, that it flopped and they realized people just wanted a tower, so they went back to the drawing board. It's the only good excuse for the lack of updates.

 

[asiga]

If Apple cannot produce Macs powerful (and flexible) enough for serious professional use, then the Mac has its days numbered. It's just a matter of a few years that non-professional Macs will be fully displaced by iOS gadgets.

Only Macs targeted at professional users can make the Mac survive, because you'll never be able to plug four graphics cards in an iPad, but you should be able in a Mac (if Apple was doing their homework).

 

[MH01]

I feel sad reading these comments... Some people keeps going on and on about Skylake vs Kaby Lake in the MacBook Pro. Do you guys even know what SKU's are? Intel's CPU line-up exists of several tiers and SKU's. Just because Intel has deliver a few Kaby Lake CPU's on the market is not the same thing as Kaby Lake being available in all tiers and SKU's.

The SKU's that Apple uses, especially in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models does not exists in Kaby Lake form as of today. They won't be available until Q1 2017. How do you expect Apple to ship the new MacBook Pro with CPU's that does not exist? Would you rather prefer that Apple goes one step down on their SKU tier and provide lower core-count, lower IPC and and clock rates with inferior integrated graphic chips just so they can ship them with Kaby Lake instead of Skylake?


As of today, the only Kaby Lake SKU's being widely available are the Intel Core M aka "ULV" equivalent CPU's suited for the fan-less MacBook 12-inch and the low performing LV models like i3-7100U, i5-7200U and i7-7500U. None of these are SKU's on the level that Apple normally uses in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models.


Apple is awaiting the Intel i7-7770HQ, but it's not available until Q1 2017 at the earliest. How can you be so stupid that you expect Apple to deliver CPU's that does not even exist as of this date?

It's not stupid. Apple does not have to launch some models in November , they can announce new MacBooks with KL and launch in Q1 2017.

See the Mac Pro launch.

I guess your assumption is that you believe these will be available just after launch, from my experience with apple launches recentlay, very few will get them early , many will have to wait till end of 2016 or early Q1. This is from a 12 MacBook owner..... a refresh is easy to get a new apple product has awful supply see iPhone pre-order, jumped to late October / November within minutes.

 

[Feenician]

Probably, but it would work for iMac.

I must admit I don't follow the iMac line very closely (though if I had money to burn I'd certainly like to have one at home) so I have less idea of what's happening there. The 5k imac is already skylake, isn't it? Nothing to upgrade in the cpu sense there. Perhaps the smaller one will get Skylake in advance of the high end getting Kaby when it's finally released.

 

[69650]

With the introduction of the 12" MB, I was really hoping the MBP's would move up to 14" & 16".

 

[canadianreader]

No word on the Mac mini let's hope there will be one, can't wait to update mine.

 

[gim]

I feel sad reading these comments... Some people keeps going on and on about Skylake vs Kaby Lake in the MacBook Pro. Do you guys even know what SKU's are? Intel's CPU line-up exists of several tiers and SKU's. Just because Intel has deliver a few Kaby Lake CPU's on the market is not the same thing as Kaby Lake being available in all tiers and SKU's.

The SKU's that Apple uses, especially in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models does not exists in Kaby Lake form as of today. They won't be available until Q1 2017. How do you expect Apple to ship the new MacBook Pro with CPU's that does not exist? Would you rather prefer that Apple goes one step down on their SKU tier and provide lower core-count, lower IPC and and clock rates with inferior integrated graphic chips just so they can ship them with Kaby Lake instead of Skylake?


As of today, the only Kaby Lake SKU's being widely available are the Intel Core M aka "ULV" equivalent CPU's suited for the fan-less MacBook 12-inch and the low performing LV models like i3-7100U, i5-7200U and i7-7500U. None of these are SKU's on the level that Apple normally uses in their MacBook Pro 15-inch models.


Apple is awaiting the Intel i7-7770HQ, but it's not available until Q1 2017 at the earliest. How can you be so stupid that you expect Apple to deliver CPU's that does not even exist as of this date?

I feel sad because you seemingly didn't understand some of these comments here.
Most people don't expect Apple to ship Kaby Lake right now. But releasing Skylake models in Q4/2016 when KL is around the corner does not make any sense.
Most people expected this Skylake upgrade a lot earlier. Because no matter how you turn it, Skylake is 2015 tech.

 

[spiffers]

I like how they mention Skylake CPUs instead of the just-around-the-corner Kaby Lake CPUs.

The problem is all the "just-around-the-corner" processors are always "just-around-the-corner". If Intel started to deliver the processors when they promised them, the situation would be different.

 

[Sasparilla]

No word on the Mac mini let's hope there will be one, can't wait to update mine.

I hope so too. Please give us a Quad Core option (not psuedo quad core), preferably an i7 one - Skylake would be fine. Been using Mac's forever, but I feel like we're being gradually driven off to other vendors due to poor choices and neglect on Apple Management's part.