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Funny because most people on here think the MacBook Pros SHOULD be refreshed very 2-3 months so that you always get the latest technology when you buy them, and yet you see it as being "screwed" because it's "outdated" in 4 months. I believe Apple have taken your stance to go for 15 months between updates to make it both substantial and so people stopped complaining that Apple update everything every few months (which they never did anyway but) and now you have people moaning they don't update enough, whatever they do, people will complain so.
I'd hope for something in the middle like 9 months. That wouldn't be asking too much from the richest company on the planet. :)
 
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Apple would have had access to pre-production versions of the latest chips lke everyone else if they gave a poo about the computer side of the business.


Apple for sure has access to preproduction samples. That, however, does not mean bug-free KL chips suitable for MacBook Pro and other computers are ready and available in the huge production volumes Apple requires.
 
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Like the "better display quality" and bigger SSD is a nice touch - don't like they appear to be putting that crappy keyboard from the MBR into the MBP. That keyboard is horrible. The new OLED touchbar reads like a useless gimmick along with the fingerprint reader. I'd guess given it's been over 500 days since an update, they needed something and someone on the design team suggested the OLED thing and the touchID thing. I've been in meetings like this, and when you're stumbling around for ideas crap is better than having nothing "new".
 
I hope so too. Please give us a Quad Core option (not psuedo quad core), preferably an i7 one - Skylake would be fine. Been using Mac's forever, but I feel like we're being gradually driven off to other vendors due to poor choices and neglect on Apple Management's part.

On the other end of the spectrum, if they chose to leave the pathetic 1.4ghz Mac min model, maybe they can knock off $50-100.
 
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whatever they roll out, i'll be buying something next thursday, whether it's the 13" pro, 13" macbook, or even the 12" macbook. i've been waiting 10 mos. for an announcement and need something...anything...
 
Man, the Mac Pro and Mac Mini neglect is just disgusting. The sad part is, if these updates aren't great, what other great company is there? Seems like there aren't any that match apple in terms of vision and attention to detail. Anxious to see how the Macbook Pro turns out. Ive been waiting for over a year, so ready to get rid of my desktop. My monitors will stay for dual screen laptop use though.
 
4k content won't be widely available for years.

I know. Read my comment again. You missed the point.

Yeah, seriously. They want to future proof this thing so bad that they're giving us only USB-C ports but they're not giving us a screen to watch 4k content on natively?

If you buy this laptop, Apple expects you will have it for years. So long in fact that Apple thinks USB-C will be the standard by then. You know what else will be the standard by then? 4k.

There are more benefits to a higher resolution display than only being able watch higher resolution content natively anyways. Not to mention there is a plethora of 4k content you can watch now if you so choose. If it's that hard to find then you haven't been looking.

I used to own a 3200x1800 windows laptop and the scaling is atrocious, and most of them don't have the optimisation to properly run a disply of that resolution.

What are you talking about here? Yes, windows scaling is atrocious. I'm talking about Macs. You want good scaling? Go get a mac.
 
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So a magsafe to USB-C adapter is what they are going with? Seriously?

I doubt it. The wording is odd. "Third party supplier"? what? It'll be either just like the MacBook––no MagSafe--or they'll make a magnetic USB C port.
 
Someone please tell me why Apple going with Skylake is better than jumping directly to Kaby Lake. I assume they will use a more powerful version than what's out for the Kaby Lake CPUs at the moment.
Because the only Kaby Lake processors available are the 4.5W Core m and 15W varieties. The 13" MacBook Pros have historically used the 28W processors (25W is the equivalent for Kaby Lake). The 15" MacBook Pros have used the Iris Pro graphics. Those aren't expected until mid-2017.
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I like how they mention Skylake CPUs instead of the just-around-the-corner Kaby Lake CPUs.
So you'd rather Apple wait until Q2-2017 to release the MacBook Pros?
 
Give me a 13" Air with a retina matte finish screen, ThinkPad keyboard, and in a black finish like the new iPhone 7 and you can take my money.
In your dreams. But hey, we'll give you a pink, uh sorry "rose gold", 13" MacBook with glossy screen and while we're at it we'll get rid of the glowing Apple logo at the back of the display.
 
Someone please tell me why Apple going with Skylake is better than jumping directly to Kaby Lake. I assume they will use a more powerful version than what's out for the Kaby Lake CPUs at the moment.

Intel releases new generations of chips with a ROLLING launch.

  1. Ultra Low voltage chips are released first
  2. Then low voltage dual core
  3. Then normal dual core and quad core mobile chips.
  4. THEN higher powered dual core and quad core chips
  5. Finally, desktop chips are released
  6. And last, server chips (xeons) arrive.
This roll out can take SEVERAL YEARS, and rolls INTO the next generation launch.

RIGHT NOW, only steps 1 and 2 have occurred for Kaby Lake, and Skylake Xeons JUST came out July 2016. So, if you want Kaby Lake MacBook Pros, they'll be here summer 2017. Right now ONLY the sky lake chips are out.

Therefore:

* For the retina MacBook, we'll get Kaby Lake
* For the MacBook air (IF it's updated) we will get Kaby Lake
* For the MacBook Pro, we'll get Skylake, and we'll get a small refresh in the spring/summer 2017 for Kaby Lake, or they might wait until fall 2017 to do the whole spec bump
* For the iMac, Skylake, with a Fall 2017 Kaby Lake bump
* And if apple releases a Mac Pro, it'll have a Skylake Xeon chip.
 
they lost me at 'keyboard will have same butterfly design as on the macbook.'

SHAME!

I know it gets lot of bad reviews, but I fly when using the newer keyboard on the 12" MacBook in fact that is the only reason I'm using one of those temporarily until the new MB Pro comes out. It takes a short time of getting used to, but I find the larger keys and shorter distance they need to be pressed creates at least a 15% to 20% speed and accuracy increase for me compared to the current MacBook pro keyboard.
 
Yes? Kaby Lake was only announced 2 months ago and you expect them to ship?

LOL.

What happened to the apple that used to work with intel directly to get these things shipped out before any other notebook manufacturer? I believe there's some laptops already shipping or about to ship with Kaby Lake.
 
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Kaby lake for MacBook Pros not out till 1st quarter next year and then there's an issue with on board graphics for top end models to be worked out too.
Except Asus and several other OEM's are already shipping laptops which use the same Kaby Lake parts an updated MacBook Pro would use, so ya know, there's that inconvenient little fact. It's the Desktop level Kaby Lake processors that won't be out until early next year, which is why iMac refreshes are doubtful.
 
I guess the imac and display are waiting on AMD and Intel appropriate parts, which Intel and maybe even AMD seem to be taking their sweet time on. Moore's law seems to be going backwards lately. Oh well...
 
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