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Which is ridiculous. You don't charge the American price around the world, you price to your market.

The UK minimum wage alone in 20% higher than the US, so by your logic, apple is pricing it accordingly. Remember in the UK, tax is included in the price of the product. Not so in the US. Almost every comparison of cost has failed to take this into account. Here in CA you have to add 9.5% to the price in tax alone. Don't like that your governments impose absurdly high consumption taxes\vat\sales tax? Bitch to them not Apple.

Tho in an aside, I hate the price increase. LOL. I feel like I'm paying more for less. If I was paying more for more, I'd feel better, or even paying the same for the same, okay, but to pay more for less. Blehh.
 
It's interesting to watch everyone doing their absolute nut. Why drink the poison?... as the Buddhists say.

The price rises is a major feature but it may be a sign of the times nor is it without historical precedent. "Apple tax" is not a new term but it now takes on a double meaning.

A Few thoughts

1) Apple have a big Tax settlement with Irish Gov, min 13 Billion (already set aside in escrow acc), potentially 19 Billion. Yea they have a ton of cash in the Bank but how will this effect business going forward in terms of cash and no longer being able to play by their own rules in a Tax haven such as Ireland. There is a long game going on here and they are carefully positioning operations.

2) XE rates have caused problems from small to giant global traders. I'm sure they might be trying to recoup losses from the swings which happened far in advance of this price reset. There is only so long you can hold those positions before prices reflect the XE reality.

Other observations.

Many posters admit they are considering holding on to their 5+ year old macs because they see no viable option with the recent line reset for various reasons.

I can not think of any other brand of computer that you would have that option because the hardware quality and contemporary OS makes it entirely possible consideration regardless if it pans out that way.

Looking at things from Apple's point of view. I think they reimagined their line relatively well and I think it stays well within their own clearly defined philosophical parameters and established operational norms.

Apple also want to create a machine that is reliable not simply for the user but as a company who has to support it's performance and durability in so many environments, less problems for them means more profit too and less iterations other than internal swaps is more profit... Ok so remember that 5+ year old mac you think you'll hold onto for another 5 years. Yea, that didn't happen by accident did it!

Are we getting it?

People buy $100 android phones and they're useless after a year of usage. You really do still get what you pay for with tech. It's still a very physical medium.

So to me it looks like as if they've established the base format for the next hal decade at least that is provisioned for the innovation ahead. I think they are set to mature quicker, so we can assume there will now be a lesser delay in the next updates.

The beauty is Apple have made a uni unibody revision so it will take time to reduce initial costs as ROI requires time. So I imagine initially it's always going to be expensive and early adopters always pay a higher price. Perhaps within two years you will see one or two internal changes with newer intel chipsets and price changes as they gauge the markets and XE changes if any. They had to start somewhere. This is it.

So with Less ports of varying standard, less to go wrong. Less physical ports. Less support. One cable/connector to rule them all. I can see it being the norm in 5 years time, when it will be 10 years ago machines had a umber of differing ports some of which will be virtually phased out by many other manufacturers.

GPU's that will not melt and perform under demanding all day use or destroy your battery. Not for gamers but for all round users. Apple are designing a machine to work for the maximum amount of users at the peak of performance as reliably and continently as can be, it's a broad niche. The battery is locked in like an iPhone so appear to be even more sensitive to this with their design. Maybe they'll have a swap or upgrade program in the future to satisfy demand or even a MBP trade in program like iPhone.... (which is not available to all markets!)

You don't buy a sports car with a huge gas guzzling engine to daily round commute to work right? You buy a car that will last .. maybe 5+ years and is optimum for reliability and durability?

So why isn't the new mac of today going to last you 5+ years the same way your mac of today has already? Yea the one you bought 5 years ago. Isn't that the deal, you get something that's going to last you and the price reflects it.

In 5 years times what's going to be the innovation that makes you consider trading up from your 2016 MBP? The point is the sooner Apple did this the sooner it's a USB C future.

Final thought. I've seen those who need high powered laptops for 3D rendering. They are cheaper yea by a mile. They come with higher grade GPU's, but they are ugly, heavy and noisey and so many other things, all the things I so loathed about my old window desktops with a billion spinning fans but more portable. Such machine will not sit well in corporate boardroom, office space and portable to meetings etc. etc.
 
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Had Apple subsidized the pricing like carriers dealing with installments, we would have far less complaints. I realize paying over $2G for a computer is no joke for most people. My family pays about $130 monthly on phone bills. They also pay about $100+ monthly for satellite. They barely watch any of the shows and instead stream stuff on YouTube. Out of hundreds of channels, most people might watch a dozen or so of them.

I know it doesn't seem moral to pirate content but they have been stealing from customers too. Hidden charges or stuff we don't really need or use. We live in the Internet where karma is on them. So much free content that we don't need to pay for cable or satellite TV anymore. Just use a torrent program/app and get a cheap external hard drive to connect to a Blu-ray player or console.

Just go on Pirate Bay or YIFY torrents. Download all the shows you need. I just got the entire series of LOST, 24, and fairly up-to-date with my Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead since I lacked the last two seasons for each. I also have about 800+ movies. Thanks, Transmission and my Android's FLUD and TubeMate apps. Anytime I turn on Showtime for a movie I might be interested in watching, I generally have that movie downloaded already.

Internet is the greatest thing ever invented. Second are smartphones. Third are laptops. I can live without a phone and laptop for a week but harder with Internet. Eventually, these laptops pay for themselves in the longer with countless amounts of media consumptions we can view or listen to online that surpasses our TV consumption. And the viewing or gaming content on laptops are much better on them than mobile devices.

Stop complaining. They jack from us with these terrible contracts, hidden charges, price gouging, and billing. We can jack media content from them via online. Just pay up for these prices for minimum half decade of usage with your new MacBook Pro.
 
I was right - they did it to reduce weight. And I agree with that decision. Jason Snell confirmed it today:

The display is an energy saver. According to Apple, the retina display on these models is brighter—rated at 500 nits—and incorporates the same larger pixel aperture and variable refresh rate as the MacBook’s display. Despite all that, the display uses 30 percent less energy than the previous model. That’s one of the ways Apple was able to shave weight off of these laptops—by reducing battery due to the decreased power consumption of the screen.

I thought about it a bit more.

Although this may mean that the battery life may be decent where the main source of battery expenditure is display, if you are doing CPU/GPU intensive work rather than display-based activities such as browsing/streaming etc, the user will be at a noticeable disadvantage.
 
Which is ridiculous. You don't charge the American price around the world, you price to your market.

It is a global market with apple products.

If they didn't change the costs for currency (like the 25% drop on the Sterling), then most people would just buy it form the cheapest country and ship it to themselves. (This isn't Apples fault)

If the UK market still had old prices, it would made sense for everyone in the US to buy online from the UK and save $$$$

I do feel the UK pain, here In Australia, I've seen our dollar at 50 cents to the greenback, up to being worth more than the Greenback. pricing can be all over the place, but I'm use to it, most people in the UK haven't experienced this effect before.

Its a world economy, if you rely on imports and are your currency is unstable, be prepared to pay for a premium product.

Hopefully the UK dollar rises, but I'm expecting more falls before it gets better, prices hopefully in the UK will be better come KabyLake.
 
Additionally, in the US the prices don't include customer protection. In other countries there is a 2-3 year warranty without Apple Care - in the US its just 1 year included. It's fair for Apple to include those additional customer protections into the price which explains why it isn't quite parity converting USD into local currency. I cannot comment to whether this applies in the UK.
 
Since I was a kid, I always wanted a mac. I've gone through a couple over the last few years and have always been content with the quality and longevity of the product. Unfortunately, the cost of the new macbook pro in Canada is beyond reasonable given the similarity to other competitors in the market. For that, I am going to try the Dell XPS as a few others have suggested on here. Hopefully it will serve me well until Apple's pricing comes in line with what I see as reasonable. With that being said, Apple's work remains apart of my daily life - no need to call me a traitor.

I wonder if have had success in creating a bootcamp style set-up for macOS on their XPS.
 
Nope, was born here. I just assumed most of the state was 8%. Just looked it up and saw the exceptions. Glad I pay 8% in Orange County :)

LA county is getting ridiculous; it's practically 10%. Thankfully I live in Rialto in San Bernardino County.
 
Personally, I wouldn't of been as shocked if the base mbp 15 came with a 512gb ssd instead of the 256gb one... Its just kind of an outrage at that price point to sell a $2400 laptop with that kind of storage capacity... Also, that the more expensive preconfigured model... Why does it come with a Radeon Pro 455 instead of the 460... I mean seriously... Now it must be BTO to get the 460... WTH apple...
 
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The UK minimum wage alone in 20% higher than the US, so by your logic, apple is pricing it accordingly. Remember in the UK, tax is included in the price of the product. Not so in the US. Almost every comparison of cost has failed to take this into account. Here in CA you have to add 9.5% to the price in tax alone. Don't like that your governments impose absurdly high consumption taxes\vat\sales tax? Bitch to them not Apple.
Technically, you can order from BH and not pay the tax. You're still asked to report the sales tax.
 
Personally, I wouldn't of been as shocked if the base mbp 15 came with a 512gb ssd instead of the 256gb one... Its just kind of an outrage at that price point to sell a $2400 laptop with that kind of storage capacity... Also, that the more expensive preconfigured model... Why does it come with a Radeon Pro 455 instead of the 460... I mean seriously... Now it must be BTO to get the 460... WTH apple...

Agree. The whole Macbook Pro range is over-priced by at least $300 to $500 IMO. At this price point, 512GB should be standard.
 
Unless its different in San Diego, tax in Orange County and other parts of the state is 8%.

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Since I was a kid, I always wanted a mac. I've gone through a couple over the last few years and have always been content with the quality and longevity of the product. Unfortunately, the cost of the new macbook pro in Canada is beyond reasonable given the similarity to other competitors in the market. For that, I am going to try the Dell XPS as a few others have suggested on here. Hopefully it will serve me well until Apple's pricing comes in line with what I see as reasonable. With that being said, Apple's work remains apart of my daily life - no need to call me a traitor.

I wonder if have had success in creating a bootcamp style set-up for macOS on their XPS.

I don't really understand this logic. You're going to buy two laptops instead of one because Apple prices are too high at present. If they come down you'll buy an Apple laptop but only after spending money on another brand to plug the gap as you wait. Have I got that right?

It's seems you are determined to spend more than you need, unnecessarily, to spite Apple?

Unless of course you think the combined cost of a PC laptop + Apple laptop over a period of time will work out cheaper than buying a Apple laptop only.
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End of the day we will likely see an uptick in sales near term with the following quarters dropping to levels even lower than before. Both the build and the pricing makes me feel like Apple is getting what they can out of this area and focusing elsewhere.

I was thinking something similar but Apple can negate this by dong two things, price drops and/or kaby lake/spec bumps.

The whole point is Apple was never going to update a discontinued unibody model, now they have there 3rd generation unibody (which I think is marvellous) which allows a path for more regular updates to the silicon inside.
 
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I don't really understand this logic. You're going to buy two laptops instead of one because Apple prices are too high at present. If they come down you'll buy an Apple laptop but only after spending money on another brand to plug the gap as you wait. Have I got that right?

It's seems you are determined to spend more than you need, unnecessarily, to spite Apple?

Unless of course you think the combined cost of a PC laptop + Apple laptop over a period of time will work out cheaper than buying a Apple laptop only.

I was referring to my iPhone by means of Apple being in my daily life. You'd be right in suggesting that two devices would be a bit excessive.
 
Back when I was examining what laptop to get, I was struggling to justify buying a laptop for 2,000. Apple's new pricing basically prices me out of their laptop.

I have no issue with pricing if the value exists, as the machine will pay for itself in a relatively short period of time. That said for my current needs the new MBP does not represent such value due to Apple`s asinine obsession with "thinner".

Looking coldly at the 2016 MBP it is just another mechanism for Apple to increase it`s margins over time at the expense of it`s customers. The difference this time is the near compulsory in house upgrades designed to gouge the customer combined with the depreciation of ports that are going to be relevent for years to come. As another member stated; the PC market is diminishing so Apple is intent on milking it for all it worth while the going is good. As for purchasing the 2016 MBP, right now I really have no Idea for multiple reasons...


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That said for my current needs the new MBP does not represent such value due to Apple`s asinine obsession with "thinner".

So you don't think reduction of weight and volume is important to a mobile product?

If this is "obsession", I hope Apple stays obsessed.
 
So you don't think reduction of weight and volume is important to a mobile product?

If this is "obsession", I hope Apple stays obsessed.

After a certain point it become an exercise in diminishing returns; retaining the profile of the previous rMBP would have allowed Apple to keep a larger battery (capacity now reduced by 25%), potentially an option for 32Gb RAM and more thermal headroom for a better dGPU. Apple opted for "thinner" and shaving a few grams of weight, seems to me to be a poor trade off on what Apple classifies as it`s "Pro" notebook.

I dont remember too many stating that the Retina MacBook Pro was ever too bulky or too heavy, equally many do want to see a better class of dGPU and the option for 32GB RAM, which will not happen now until Intel and or AMD can get the power budget down to meet Apple`s criteria.

Apple is smart and always plays with "loaded dice" couple of years down the line 32Gb and improved dGPU`s will magically appear to keep the interest and the $$$$ flowing. Same applies to the 100% implementation of USB C, it works more in Apple`s favour than for many of it`s customers, after all a 2 x USB A & 2 x USB C solution would be far too practical it would seem...

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So you don't think reduction of weight and volume is important to a mobile product?

If this is "obsession", I hope Apple stays obsessed.


But for this model the balance between light/thin/portable and performance should be tilted a little more towards performer than their other mobel products (iPad/MacBook).

Gimping the computer at 16GB to save a fraction of a KWh was absurd. That is placing to much emphasis on thin for what we thought was computer to get real work done on.
 
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I looked at some Dell XPS laptop systems since they are often mentioned here. I didn't see anything higher than 512GB on the top model for €1900. The options for increasing HD & Ram seemed to be non existent. Maybe I liked the wrong links but I couldn't see a 32GB upgrade even though it stated it was possible. I cn see Apple have a 2TB option on the top 15" Mbp.

I maxed everything on the Apple store in euroland and we're hitting just over €5000... sales tax inclusive @ 23%

Meanwhile 2006 was a similar year and over at everyman.com here is what $2499 MacBook Pro looked like , 15" (non unibody), core 2 duo, max 4GB ram, no retina back then and maybe 5 hours...http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-2-duo-2.33-15-specs.html

If anything it's interesting to look back for perspective. That was a lot of $$$ even for back then and it's still a lot of $$$'s now.
 
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