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Not impressed; certainly give the other networks room to gain ground. I have been with O2 since the first iPhone now on the rolling contact but thinking of moving now. Maybe Voda or Three.

Don’t like how roaming text are no longer part of your bundle (all be it 4 standard msgs).

i know it is a normative statement but i have felt the level of service both in terms of Customer service and network quality recently; shame as the O2 priority tickets was very helpful and the Home internet.
 
Lifetime is just since you last restarted the phone.

My current 'lifetime' is 3 Days 22 Hours, in which I've already received 587MB, and I haven't been using Wifi as my router is faulty. This reflects my average usage, I can't be doing with a 500MB monthly cap... :(

isnt Lifetime come under Call Time? meaning your total lifetime call time is 3 days 22 hours
 
"Existing customers and those that sign up before the 24th June will continue to receive unlimited data if they stay on the same tariff with the same handset. However existing customers that upgrade to a new handset or deal after 24th June will be moved onto a capped plan from 1st October."

from the which article..

So would requesting a Micro Sim be seen as "upgrading" the handset?
 
like all free phones, its not really "Free" you'll pay for the phone over the life of the contract.. Still you dont pay upfront for the phone.. I'm a older iphone 3g pay monthly customer & knew when the 3gs came out it wasnt really worth it.
So i get the iphone4 as a free upgrade

im afraid you're severely misinformed!
no-one gets it free. if its an upgrade and start of a new contract you will get the phone at a subsidised cost but you will still have to pay approx. £150-£200 for the 16GB version.
 
This isn't good.

I am on the older Simplicity deal;

1200 X-net mins, 2400 texts (incl video, MMS and international texts), unlimited data and wi-fi (truely unlimited) with VM and ITS all for £30.

I want to take this tariff to the iPhone 4 - will I lose my unlimited internet and old deal as they will make me switch to a micro-sim (new tariff) or will the tariff just transfer to a micro-sim?

I also have my eye on a £15 Tesco sim - they include MMS and video calling in their unlimited allowances but the internet is capped at 500MB.

Thanks,

Shawn
 
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isnt Lifetime come under Call Time? meaning your total lifetime call time is 3 days 22 hours

Oh. I don't know.

But I just checked, it says at the bottom that it was last reset: 06/04/2010

You could be right though. As my reset was only just recent. I do use my iPhone much more for data, as I have a work phone I use heavily for voice calls.
 
This isn't good.

I am on the older Simplicity deal;

1200 X-net mins, 2400 texts (incl video, MMS and international texts), unlimited data and wi-fi (truely unlimited) with VM and ITS all for £30.

I want to take this tariff to the iPhone 4 - will I lose my unlimited internet and old deal as they will make me switch to a micro-sim (new tariff) or will the tariff just transfer to a micro-sim?

I also have my eye on a £15 Tesco sim - they include MMS and video calling in their unlimited allowances but the internet is capped at 500MB.

Thanks,

Shawn

I'm in the same position as you and I'm hopeful because they've said that people will be able to transfer their number and tarrif to a micro sim. BUT they've also said if you upgrade your phone then you will be moved to the new tarrifs. So it depends if they class asking for a Micro Sim as upgrading your handset which in my opinion they should not. But I guess they could argue that you're requesting a new sim because you've got a new phone.
 
I'm in the same position as you and I'm hopeful because they've said that people will be able to transfer their number and tarrif to a micro sim. BUT they've also said if you upgrade your phone then you will be moved to the new tarrifs. So it depends if they class asking for a Micro Sim as upgrading your handset which in my opinion they should not.

Are you on the same tariff as me £30? If yes, do you feel you're paying quite a lot when you can halve that on other deals? I do like the fact that almost everything is included in this deal.

I am sure they will just transfer your details over to a new micro-sim, just the same as if you were requesting a new sim as you've lost yours.

These new tariffs are also an indication that iPhone 4 on PAYG is going to be VERY expensive. I wonder if the competition commission will get involved as I can envision some price fixing going on in the UK. How can they justify 'special' hiked up tariffs for iPhones only - this is not in the interest of the consumer!!!
 
I'm in the same position as you and I'm hopeful because they've said that people will be able to transfer their number and tarrif to a micro sim. BUT they've also said if you upgrade your phone then you will be moved to the new tarrifs. So it depends if they class asking for a Micro Sim as upgrading your handset which in my opinion they should not. But I guess they could argue that you're requesting a new sim because you've got a new phone.

or get a micro sim cutter off ebay and make a micro sim yourself! there is no difference between the two aside from size.
 
These new tariffs are f**king ridiculous for the customer, especially given that smartphones (and the iPhone in particular) are going to be using more and more data over the next few years.

I probably use about 400mb a month on average (mostly browsing and email), but it is the principle of thing.

Also, I hate to say it, but I think that all of the other operators here will follow and offer similar caps - simply because they can get away with it now and it's more skrilla in the bank for less of a burden on the networks.

This is the Financial Times article on the tariffs (posting it here because it seems to be asking people to register when they click on the link):

"O2 heralded a major change to the UK mobile phone market on Thursday by announcing that its bandwidth-hungry smartphone customers would pay more if they surf the web a lot.

O2, the second largest UK mobile operator which is owned by Spain’s Telefónica, is scrapping so-called “all-you-can-eat” data plans under which smartphone customers could do as much web browsing as they wanted for a fixed monthly fee. Instead, customers will now pay according to how much data they consume each month.

Analysts said they expected other mobile operators to follow suit, and welcomed O2’s move as a sign that telecoms companies can generate more revenue from the explosion of smartphone usage led by Apple’s iPhone.

From June 24, when O2 starts selling the fourth version of the iPhone, the mobile operator is introducing monthly charges for smartphone customers under which their data usage will be capped. The charges will apply to new customers as well as existing ones who upgrade to a new smartphone.

For example, a smartphone customer paying £35 each month on a two-year contract will be allowed to consume up to 500 megabytes of data. After that, they will pay £5 for every additional 500 megabytes of data that they they consume.

Under typical data usage, 500 megabytes amounts to watching 60 YouTube videos. It also amounts to downloading 50 music tracks or looking at 5,000 web pages.

Ronan Dunne, head of O2, said the move to cap data usage was prompted by the need for the mobile operator to continue to make large investments in faster networks.

He denied suggestions there could be a customer backlash against the new charges. “If this provides the model for continued investment in infrastructure... it has to be a great thing for customers,” he said.

O2 expects only 3 per cent of its 21.4m customers will have to pay additional charges because they breach the data usage caps. Many of the customers facing extra charges will be iPhone owners.

Mobile operators in many countries introduced all-you-can-eat data plans for the iPhone because they saw it as a key way to persuade customers to buy the smartphone.

Some consumers were concerned at the risk they could run up large charges on their smartphones while surfing the web.

Mobile operators are now starting to scrap the unlimited data plans because bandwidth-hungry smartphones are threatening to overwhelm their networks.

AT&T in the US (and O2 in the UK) suffered network failures in large cities that were blamed on iPhone users, although both companies have taken steps to fix the problems.

AT&T last week announced it was scrapping its unlimited data plans for smartphone customers, and Morten Singleton, analyst at Collins Stewart, said: “At least we are starting to see industry players shifting towards an attempt at charging appropriate prices for data products.”

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To summarise:

O2: "“If this provides the model for continued investment in infrastructure... it has to be a great thing for customers"

business analysts: "they expected other mobile operators to follow suit, and welcomed O2’s move as a sign that telecoms companies can generate more revenue from the explosion of smartphone usage led by Apple’s iPhone."

hmmm, I wonder which of those two things was O2's foremost concern...
 
Are you on the same tariff as me £30? If yes, do you feel you're paying quite a lot when you can halve that on other deals? I do like the fact that almost everything is included in this deal.

I am sure they will just transfer your details over to a new micro-sim, just the same as if you were requesting a new sim as you've lost yours.

These new tariffs are also an indication that iPhone 4 on PAYG is going to be VERY expensive. I wonder if the competition commission will get involved as I can envision some price fixing going on in the UK. How can they justify 'special' hiked up tariffs for iPhones only - this is not in the interest of the consumer!!!

I'm on the £20 deal and I'm very happy with it. I never go over my minutes, text or data so as long as I'm on this tarrif I'm happy. As you say o2 shouldn't class changing to a micro sim as an upgrade so I should remain on this tarrif until I decide otherwise. I do feel sorry for people getting the new deal though. They will have to constantly watch their data usage and send any pictures via email to save on MMS charges.
 
I'm on the £20 deal and I'm very happy with it. I never go over my minutes, text or data so as long as I'm on this tarrif I'm happy. As you say o2 shouldn't class changing to a micro sim as an upgrade so I should remain on this tarrif until I decide otherwise. I do feel sorry for people getting the new deal though. They will have to constantly watch their data usage and send any pictures via email to save on MMS charges.

I wish I was on the 'older' £20 deal :-(

How does MMS over email work? I don't understand, will it go other phones as an MMS or email?

I guess £30 isn't bad though. I wonder if I can a micro-sim today from o2.

Shawn
 
don't discount that they have probably been forced to cap data, just in case Apple enable "facetime" over 3g. If they do that then the network would fold the moment they enable it (but then be fine after people have tried it once..)

If they cap data, then they also have no reason at all to stop iPlayer or slingplayer over 3g, or to even compress the living daylights out of jpegs and youtube over 3g. If we're paying for our data now, I want the services and the quality.
 
I wish I was on the 'older' £20 deal :-(

How does MMS over email work? I don't understand, will it go other phones as an MMS or email?

I guess £30 isn't bad though. I wonder if I can a micro-sim today from o2.

Shawn

I just meant sending pictures via email instead of MMS. As I guess everyone did before MMS came to the iPhone. 20p per picture just won't be acceptable for a lot of people.

I'm going to speak to o2 tonight. If they don't play ball I will probably take the route suggested by dog299 and get a cutter from eBay. The cheapest appears to be £15, delivered from China.
 
I maybe wrong but I'm sure it's always been set at 500mb due to the fair usage policy.


I undesrstand it's not 500MB it is 1GB for iphone :

"All our smartphone tariffs for iPhone include Visual Voicemail, up to 1GB of UK data and unlimited Wi-Fi."

Correct me if i'm wrong
 
I dont mind so much the Cap on data its more that they have not reduced the price of the tarifs in line; infact increased them? seem to be paying more for less.

And still no handset pricing!
 
I just meant sending pictures via email instead of MMS. As I guess everyone did before MMS came to the iPhone. 20p per picture just won't be acceptable for a lot of people.

I'm going to speak to o2 tonight. If they don't play ball I will probably take the route suggested by dog299 and get a cutter from eBay. The cheapest appears to be £15, delivered from China.

So you cannot just cut a sim yourself? Well I do try to justify paying £30 considering I don't use any of my 1200 mins 2400 texts but it's nice to have a rare tariff now I guess. I am 99% sure that they will be handing out micro-sims and just transfer your details and but an adapter to have full sim size again.

Shawn
 
I just meant sending pictures via email instead of MMS. As I guess everyone did before MMS came to the iPhone. 20p per picture just won't be acceptable for a lot of people.

I'm going to speak to o2 tonight. If they don't play ball I will probably take the route suggested by dog299 and get a cutter from eBay. The cheapest appears to be £15, delivered from China.

though note these cutters are not released until July :(
 
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