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What preferential treatment do they seem to want?
Butt plugs on the tax payers dollar, double enders maybe?
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Time biggest agenda is gay watch faces? How can a watch face be gay?

Do you really need this to be explained further? Yikes..
 
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At the end of every empire, all that’s left are desperate spasms of ideology. All of Tim’s new stuff has been ‘in the pipeline’ for nearly a decade. Maybe if he repaints Steve’s toys one more time and releases more gay propaganda products, we will ignore Apple’s failings.

We can persuade ourselves that, despite 1 million Uighur in concentration camps in China - that gay pride is the most pressing issue in the world. And like IBM and the Nazis, Apple can pat itself on the back and persuade itself that it deserves halos.
 
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Do you really need this to be explained further? Yikes..
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You accuse him of being obtuse, Mr. Andy Dufresne, and now want to make him your pal?

I would like examples of what preferential treatment you think gays want.
 
If only a rainbow wallpaper were enough to emphasize diversity in the workplace (or anywhere, for that matter). Maybe in Tim’s rich white C-suite miniverse they do.

If anything, to me they point out Apple’s lack of imagination or effort when it comes to still and dynamic wallpapers for iPhones and watches (especially phones).

3 soap bubble close ups, 6 funeral flowers and 8 (!) flat rainbows don’t cut it when Apple’s iPhone wallpaper photography used to be so good it merited a reason enough to update the iOS .
 
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I don't mind these watch faces beign pride. I just wish Apple offered more watch faces in general or allow developers to do so. Pride are the only watch faces to be released second time outside of major watchOS update. Now imagine if there were watch faces for every other occasion: Valentine's day, Day of the Earth and so on.

It's just a token courtesy that says 'look how progressive we are'. I honestly don't understand how could we make it to watchOS 5 WITHOUT ability for developers to create custom watch faces. It's the prime merit of smart watch.
 
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I just wish the Vogons would hurry up. This planet is sick and needs to make way for a useless bypass at this point it’s all we deserve. Grab your paper sacks and have a pint.

I’d really much rather discuss why I cannot see the new face after the update. But since I’ve read this thread I gotta open my cake hole.

I just don’t get why people feel the need to continue to malign LGBTQ or any minority group. It makes no sense. If everything was fair and equal in pay, education, healthcare, hiring, etc we wouldn’t need to have watch faces to show our support to people who need our help or may be afraid to ask for help.

I don’t get why religion is even discussed in this post as if you can’t be LGBTQ and Christian. SURPRISE you can! LOL! If you think that someone can’t be religious and LGBTQ then you’re making the case on why a pride face is needed right there. Derp de derp derp derptastick espealaderp. Also I thought being a good Christian means loving and leaving the judging be up to someone at a way way way way way way way way way x infinity = (insert deity here) higher pay grade than you. Buuuuuutttt what do I know.

I don’t get why people think having a pride watch face is shoving something down your throat. If you constantly think things are being shoved down your throat no wonder you link pride and sex. Get help and some lozenges.

You don’t like the face, don’t use it. You don’t like that apple offers the face, do android and dump your Apple products and move on. I hear capitalism talk all the time in these discussions. Give it a try so we can discuss this new watch face.

Why is pride political? When LGBTQ folks can live their lives like the rest of us, hold hands and kiss in public, go to the bathroom of their choice, get hired, get paid, join and stay the military, adopt children etc without having to deal with ignorant drama then we won’t need this face.

In the end just a watch face folks. No one is forcing you to use it. Personally I’m offended by the kaleidoscope face. It’s hideous. I’m not going to Android over it. I just live my life The kaleidoscope is there and you know what it doesn’t impact me at all and my throat is clear. HasHtag SWEETLIFE.
 
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WAS... it was when Steve Jobs ran it. Tim’s biggest agenda is adding gay watch faces instead of more useful things like multitasking, more customization options for their phones, and open source on watch faces.
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That’s the beauty of all this, you have your freedom to be gay and speak your mind, and others have the freedom to not be gay, and speak their minds.. it’s a win-win, right? Lol

Why does the American definition of free speech always need to include hate speech? I’m glad in the UK we have free speech but that doesn’t mean you can decide that when you don’t agree with someone you can sit and spout hate towards them or decide that they shouldn’t be “allowed”.
 
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Why does the American definition of free speech always need to include hate speech? I’m glad in the UK we have free speech but that doesn’t mean you can decide that when you don’t agree with someone you can sit and spout hate towards them or decide that they shouldn’t be “allowed”.

Define hate speech.
 
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Ok sweet, message loud and clear, you support pride, awesome! Now can we have some more functional watch faces please? Or are 15-20% always going to be set aside for selective political virtue signalling? 2018, 2019, Im guessing a 2020 version will be in the works as well. Still, we don't have an analog watch face that is the shape of the watch itself (save hemes £1299 version). Apple need to open up a watch face store desperately. This is like the iOS back in the day taking years for customised ring tones.
 
It’s in poor taste for Apple to include gay pride watch faces, just like it would be in poor taste for Apple to include straight pride watch faces. Taking political sides is divisive because it excludes large groups of customers.

Apple should be apolitical. But an apolitical approach won’t happen due to Apple SJW CEO Tim Cook.

Equality for all shouldn’t be seen as political it should be seen as basic human decency.
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Define hate speech.

That’s easy: “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.”
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What right an LGBT+ individual doesn't have in 2019 America? Be specific please.

I can be fired or denied housing for being gay where as a straight person cannot.

And it wasn’t until 2015 when I could marry the person I love, something the right is trying desperately to take away (as outlined on page 11 of the official GOP party platform).
 
Equality for all shouldn’t be seen as political it should be seen as basic human decency.
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That’s easy: “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.”

Then make the message about basic human decency, don’t single out a few groups based on their sexual orientation or skin color.

About your definition of hate speech - it perfectly contradicts the definition of free speech.
You can’t have freedom of speech without „hate speech“.

how would you define „abusive speech“ anyway? who determines if something is a prejudice or legitimate criticism? The governments? By what standard? How would you talk critically of a religion (fundamentalistic islam) or sexual orientations (pedophiles) without committing the crime of „hate speech“? You can’t, and that is why free speech is so important.
 
I just don’t get why people feel the need to continue to malign LGBTQ

OH, I think you get it. I just think (like me) that you're disgusting at the reasoning.

This thread is evidence alone for the very reason Pride still exists.


People have used several arguments as thinly veiled bigotry for 10+ pages now. People saying things like Supporting gay rights is just playing politics (Last I checked equality for all isn't playing politics, unless you don't consier gay people human, which you imply by such argument)

Or a "culture war". there's no culture war. Just people asking for equal treatment under the law an by their fellow neighbours. If you think asking for equal treatment is a "culture war", than you may find yourself on the side of bigotry "Anyone in a culture i don't like is causing war!".

basically, it boils down to homophobia, divisive politics convincing people that supporting rights of other groups is somehow an attack on them as an individual, and vile hatred.

I really hope MR mods use this thread to do some pruning of who should be allowed posting here.
 
“Expressing prejudice against a particular group”.

I can give you more but I feel that sums up the hate speech that’s directed to the LGBT+ community and seems to be rampant on this thread.
Please tone down on your hate speech, you just showed prejudice against a particular group by accusing macrumors community of hate speech.
See how that works?
 
Then make the message about basic human decency, don’t single out a few groups based on their sexual orientation or skin color.

About your definition of hate speech - it perfectly contradicts the definition of free speech.
You can’t have freedom of speech without „hate speech“.

how would you define „abusive speech“ anyway? who determines if something is a prejudice or legitimate criticism? The governments? By what standard? How would you talk critically of a religion (fundamentalistic islam) or sexual orientations (pedophiles) without committing the crime of „hate speech“? You can’t, and that is why free speech is so important.

We manage just fine with our version of free speech in the UK. It seems that people like to say hateful things and then say “oh free speech”... you know fine well where the lines are - assuming you’re an adult. You don’t need to be told that saying hateful things about a group of people shouldn’t be allowed and trying to see that as an attack on your ability to speak freely is just pathetic.
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Please tone down on your hate speech, you just showed prejudice against a particular group by accusing macrumors community of hate speech.
See how that works?

Sure. Sure.
 
Maybe I'm wrong

glad you can at least admit it. Yes you're wrong

In many nations around the world, homosexuals are killed for just being who they are, and live their lives in fear and hiding.

even in nations like ours where they are not murdered millions of gay people still have to hide their sexuality in fear of reprocussions from their neighbours, employers or even law enforcement.

and even if you don't believe it. jUst read this thread. that should be enough evidence of why equality isn't here and pride is still meaningful.
 
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We manage just fine with our version of free speech in the UK. It seems that people like to say hateful things and then say “oh free speech”... you know fine well where the lines are - assuming you’re an adult. You don’t need to be told that saying hateful things about a group of people shouldn’t be allowed and trying to see that as an attack on your ability to speak freely is just pathetic.
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Sure. Sure.

Just be aware that current hate speech laws are not executed evenly across all political spectrum. Governments will use their hate speech laws against left ideology like Antifa and anyone else soon enough. And then it will be an Orwellian nightmare for everyone because you can shut down almost all speech and debate with it.
 
That’s not true. Persecution comes in many forms. Living in NY, I see more and more hostility toward religions and religious people. Heck, even Chris Pratt said it was hard talking openly about his beliefs.

I think we can all stand to be more tolerant and understanding.

I completely agree. Persecution, hatred and bigotry should have no place.

If someone wants to practice their religion, and not hurt those around them than we should be supportive of them. Same with sexual orientation, and peoples own cultural practices.

the point is, Supporting gay pride doesn't mean that a christian is being persecuted. Too many people are playing these things like professional sports and some zero sum game where if someone else gets a "win", than they assume that they must be getting a "loss" and it's all about, Winning or Losing. So, if Apple releases a gay pride flag, than it's somehow persecuting them and they take it personal...

instead of you know. Just not using the watch face.
 
Then make the message about basic human decency, don’t single out a few groups based on their sexual orientation or skin color.

About your definition of hate speech - it perfectly contradicts the definition of free speech.
You can’t have freedom of speech without „hate speech“.

how would you define „abusive speech“ anyway? who determines if something is a prejudice or legitimate criticism? The governments? By what standard? How would you talk critically of a religion (fundamentalistic islam) or sexual orientations (pedophiles) without committing the crime of „hate speech“? You can’t, and that is why free speech is so important.

Ah yes, the typical “let’s run circles around the subject” response. No sense arguing with someone like you.

Hate speech is easily defined. It’s against the law in some areas to spout it and for very important reasons. Free speech is not the same as hate speech (in the US), free speech means you can’t be arrested for speaking against the government.
 
No thanks. I learned a long time ago when to just stop debating with people that have no intention of seeing things from another’s point of view. I get that feeling here.
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Maybe you should refine your definition.. or maybe we can spare us the bs and just have debated and exchange of opinions without restrictions?
 
So, can we see both old and new pride faces or just the new?

I had the old one on when I heard there was a new one. I installed the new watch OS update and it took a while but it changed the old pride face to the new one.

Also I can’t see the round one.

Anyone else having issues getting this face to show?

Fixed typo
 
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