Ironically, it was Motorola that introduced it first with its android Atrix phone in 2011.
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Ironically, it was Motorola that introduced it first with its android Atrix phone in 2011.
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Agreed. I'd especially like Siri to sound more human like Cortana does. LOL
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Thiiiiiis is what people appear to be overlooking. And that on a grand scale. Before iPhone in '07 nobody was really touching their phone to do anything but flip it open--certainly not to have the whole of the internet in their pocket.
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Not everybody. I'm actually bummed they made anything bigger than the 4--but that's personal preference. A big screen does not a better phone make. I think Apple gets it now that people wanted the Apple ecosystem but, for whatever reason, also wanted a larger phone, for which they sacrificed the greatness that is iOS. I feel like now Apple is saying "Oh? THAT's all you wanted. Ok. Here." Enter the 6 and 6+.
Then again, some of us just don't care. Samsung steals technology and uses the court system to wear down their competitor to settle. For cheap. I hope Apple kills them (phone market) and the new BlackBerries (yea right, but it's my dream) pick up the pieces.
Yes Android the OS does. The only Android handset maker that makes any money is Samsung, everyone else is struggling.
It's about stopping people from buying other devices for Christmas, it's allowing more developers to develope apps before release. Full app ecosystem.
They're throwing around cliches. I just ignore them, they don't know what they are talking about. Same thing with "IOS is boring."
I think the bottom line is, Apple is going to sell a sh** ton of the iphone 6+ models. That's all that matters. Multiple pages of replies here of who's right and who's wrong, who did what first...at the end of the day Apple is going to make bank roll on these phones, more than anyone else does with theirs, and the competition is all going to be left standing, scratching their heads, "WTF, how do they do it eveyr year no matter what?"
I, as an iPhone & iPad user believe in Apples product philosophy of making great quality products that work, have form, function, and has the end user in mind.
Yes, Apple has had some bad units that make it to the consumer which gives some users a bad experience, but if you look at the grand scale of the millions of units sold, the majority of Apples products are quality made and reliable.
Some people don't like Apple products because you can't customize things within the iOS how you want. People want the ability to have purple keyboards, different colored speech bubbles in their iMessages. That's what I call, "gimic" features that Apple consumers don't buy into. I want to be able to text, the color of the keyboard is irrelevant and not necessary. Samsung and Android have a lot of gimic features that at the end of the day, do nothing to add real value to the product or user experience other than you can lean over to your friend and say, "check out my cool purple keyboard, isn't is soooo cool?" Big freakin whoop, seriously! That's just one example obviously, but the kids sure do go ga-ga over all that pointless stuff and think they have a better product for it yet probably don't use most of it on a daily basis.
So while my iPhone my not have all the gimics, I'll take it over Samsung any day, because no one to date can beat Apples user experience with their products. And THAT is where the rubber meets the road and why Apple products are so successful and why people get in line 2 weeks before launch to buy one.
Something you haters and Samsung will never understand. It's more than just features on a tech list, yet that's all Samsung's cares about impressing the consumer with and why their 2nd rate, and their sales figures prove it.
I predict Apple will sale more 6+ models in one year than Samsung has ever sold in all the years they've had their large screen phones on the market. And Samsung knows it, but they'll never get a clue as to why. LOL
I, as an iPhone & iPad user believe in Apples product philosophy of making great quality products that work, have form, function, and has the end user in mind.
Yes, Apple has had some bad units that make it to the consumer which gives some users a bad experience, but if you look at the grand scale of the millions of units sold, the majority of Apples products are quality made and reliable.
Some people don't like Apple products because you can't customize things within the iOS how you want. People want the ability to have purple keyboards, different colored speech bubbles in their iMessages. That's what I call, "gimic" features that Apple consumers don't buy into. I want to be able to text, the color of the keyboard is irrelevant and not necessary. Samsung and Android have a lot of gimic features that at the end of the day, do nothing to add real value to the product or user experience other than you can lean over to your friend and say, "check out my cool purple keyboard, isn't is soooo cool?" Big freakin whoop, seriously! That's just one example obviously, but the kids sure do go ga-ga over all that pointless stuff and think they have a better product for it yet probably don't use most of it on a daily basis.
So while my iPhone my not have all the gimics, I'll take it over Samsung any day, because no one to date can beat Apples user experience with their products. And THAT is where the rubber meets the road and why Apple products are so successful and why people get in line 2 weeks before launch to buy one.
Something you haters and Samsung will never understand. It's more than just features on a tech list, yet that's all Samsung's cares about impressing the consumer with and why their 2nd rate, and their sales figures prove it.
I predict Apple will sale more 6+ models in one year than Samsung has ever sold in all the years they've had their large screen phones on the market. And Samsung knows it, but they'll never get a clue as to why. LOL
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At the end of the day, who cares? A 110 page thread @ macrumors is not going to change anyone's mind. Buy what you like and stop trying to justify your purchase.
The real winners here are the companies who keep you brainwashed and financially drained when you blindly follow based on your perceived loyalty. They don't care about you. It's a one way relationship, and you're the one giving off more energy than you're receiving.
The real winners here are the companies who keep you brainwashed and financially drained when you blindly follow based on your perceived loyalty. They don't care about you. It's a one way relationship, and you're the one giving off more energy than you're receiving.
4.7" isn't a phablet, nor is it unwieldy. I loved the form factor of my Nexus 4. However the iPhone 6 plus at 5.5 inches officially makes it a phablet.
What are they behind in? With the iPhone 6 coming out this Friday. What is it now? Or are you talking about their computers?
Behind in what exactly? There are philosophical differences between apple and samsung where apple does not view certain capabilities as having a profound impact on the wider mobile using customer base especially not at the level of implementation that others have achieved. Multi-tasking is often touted, split screen multi-tasking is absent from Google's devices, android in general and the nexus family. Does this mean that google is behind Samsung? Or that google has lost its innovation mojo to samsung? I am sure apple will eventually introduce split screen multi-tasking to its larger screened products be it the phablets, or the tablets and I am willing to bet that the way they implement this would be more thorough and far more elegant than what samsung has done with the note. However, does this mean that apple is behind in these categories? Whats the market penetration of the SPLIT SCREEN offering galaxy tablets in the global enterprise-tablet market? There are many other things that contribute to the functionality, and enterprise driven demand of a mobile product. Everyone was using blackberry back in the day because it offered something that enterprise wanted. Everyone is using apple today..If samsung had rolled out a revolutionary new UI that was so much ahead of google or apple then they would have commanded a huge shift in enterprise mobile sales away from apple. This has not happened. Whats the percentage of Note sales among samsung galaxy sales in general? Whats the Galaxy Tab market share in the enterprise tablet market where apple enjoys an overwhelming market share?
I can talk about other technologies or capabilities where apple has been second, or third or 10th to market yet have implemented the thing differently in a manner that makes it much more competitive from a usability stand point. Samsung rushed to Synaptic following touch ID, went and worked with Pay-Pal and brought out Finger print swipe recognition that according to them introduce a new way to make payments through paypal. Whats the status on that? How many billions of dollars have been exchanged using the paypal-finger swipe system of Samsung? They won't talk about it at any keynote because their entire concept was largely a gimmick in order to get ahead of apple. It was not a well thought out, comprehensive investment into making something simpler such as apple pay using a combination of acquired technology (authentech), innovative software development, integration and collaboration with a widespread retail and credit card/banking sector. Sure apple could have rolled this out with touch ID last year with a loose arrangement with paypal and called it a day. Yet they didn't. They took a longer, harder route to introduce things like touch - ID, NFC and Mobile payments and genuinely went about solving a problem that is considered a nuisance by many people around the world. Samsung would never take this approach to developing a capability, be it in the services side or hardware side..Sure the Note 4 was a collaboration with Wacom, but where has this gone? How many have sold compared to the non stylus phones? Its not even the highest selling galaxy and its in its 4th iteration. There are some companies that are resource limited to do this broad level of integration between hardware, software and services. We will see this play out in a few years when Apple's plans with Beats become clearer. My guess would be that apple will look at quite a bit of things where it can grow using beats as a starting point. HTC was limited to what it could do with beats. Apple is not. Samsung can potentially do hardware, software and services but haven't shown any level of competence in software or services so despite of the cash they may not have what it takes as an organization to achieve high levels of success. Apple is also limited, particularly in enterprise service solutions where they have been traditionally weak (hence the collaboration with IBM that i expect to only grow with time) but apple has shown a far greater ability to acquire companies and capabilities and spin them into categories that go out and provide solutions that are comprehensive and that very few can replicate. Google can do it, but implementation and hardware/consumer electronics is not their strength as the entire Motorolla deal has shown.
I don't think apple is the company that will throw out technology into its products just to be the first to do so. They do not have a track record of it. They do however have a track record of taking their time and implementing an existing or upcoming technology in a way that is much ahead of what others are doing. Google wallet, beam and Samsung Finger swipe/Paypal can be put on one side and you can compare the impact of apple pay over the next 24-48 months. Same would go with touch ID. While many were claiming last year that Samsung would work with Syaptic to out-do apple by coming out with a finger print scanner that is built into the screen - such as the one demo'd by synaptic a few years ago..Yet the point that was lost was that the finger print scanner being present (a result of an expensive acquisition of authentech) is not the end but a means to a completely different end. That of device access and mobile payments. This is creating value from an acquisition the likes of which samsung is not capable of. They just do not think this way. Not to bash Samsung, they have many many things going for them and that is why they are such a profitable company but I would not really call them an innovative tech company like I would call a Google, Apple etc..
The problem that Samsung is going to run into shortly (and they already are to some extent) is that their "fast-follower" strategy is easier to replicate compared to the organizational culture of say an apple or google. We are already seeing the likes of Lenovo, Huawei and Xiaomi use this to battle them in the Android domain. Those companies will pose a far greater threat to Samsung then apple as there is really not much differentiating Samsung from other android devices below a certain price point (and that price point is fast approaching the bottom half of the flagship price-line). Apple was taking customers away from Samsung even before the large phones were announced but the upcoming Android OEM's are growing even faster with little differentiating them in terms of spec (Same snapdragon), software (Android) or other critical technologies (Wireless charging, NFC etc).
In a way I see these ads from Samsung as claiming " We have the right to be the biggest challenger to Apple" a position that would be challenged on many fronts in the coming years unless Samsung is able to distinguish itself from other Android OEM's that use the same processors, the same software and most of the same technologies.
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Why buy the iPhone (serious question, not trolling)
I have had Mac computers since 2008, but the iPhone 4s was the first iPhone that I owned. I do have questions about iPhone vs Samsung that I wish I could get an unbiased opinion about, but all I can find are sites that either A) Hates Apple or B) Loves anything to do with Apple.
I went to Verizon this weekend and asked about both phones. I think Verizon employees are on commission, and they don't get much of one if they sell an iPhone. Anything Samsung/Android did was already better than the new iPhones. Slightly bigger screens, screens have more dpi than Apple, more configurable (3rd party software for browsers, keyboards, texting, etc), a higher resolution camera and the ability to add SD cards for more memory. No matter how many times I asked about the iPhone they tried to steer me to Samsung.
Some of those wouldn't matter to me. Apple will have 3rd party keyboards, including Swipe, with IOS 8. The screen resolution difference is probably not noticeable. The camera? I don't know how big a difference this one is. The features that Apple are putting on the iPhone are impressive, but I don't take selfies and I seldom take videos, but I do use my iPhone for taking pictures of (other) people places and things. I keep getting told that I don't really need extra memory because I can store things to the iCloud but this eats data from my data plan, and I don't trust ANYONES cloud system as far as security goes. They all have been hacked or spied upon by someone recently.
I am interested in Apple Pay but I don't know if I trust that either, although it can't be as bad as handing your credit card to someone at a store or restaurant, and I was also one of the people affected by the Target hack, so even big business has security problems with the current system. The gaming advantages that Apple will have probably won't be a big deal with me, as I suck at games so I don't play them.
What are the reasons to buy this iPhone? What do you say to people who A) don't hate Apple but B) would like to know how much the things where Samsung claims to be better either are true, aren't really true, or are just a distortion?
I have had Mac computers since 2008, but the iPhone 4s was the first iPhone that I owned. I do have questions about iPhone vs Samsung that I wish I could get an unbiased opinion about, but all I can find are sites that either A) Hates Apple or B) Loves anything to do with Apple.
I went to Verizon this weekend and asked about both phones. I think Verizon employees are on commission, and they don't get much of one if they sell an iPhone. Anything Samsung/Android did was already better than the new iPhones. Slightly bigger screens, screens have more dpi than Apple, more configurable (3rd party software for browsers, keyboards, texting, etc), a higher resolution camera and the ability to add SD cards for more memory. No matter how many times I asked about the iPhone they tried to steer me to Samsung.
Some of those wouldn't matter to me. Apple will have 3rd party keyboards, including Swipe, with IOS 8. The screen resolution difference is probably not noticeable. The camera? I don't know how big a difference this one is. The features that Apple are putting on the iPhone are impressive, but I don't take selfies and I seldom take videos, but I do use my iPhone for taking pictures of (other) people places and things. I keep getting told that I don't really need extra memory because I can store things to the iCloud but this eats data from my data plan, and I don't trust ANYONES cloud system as far as security goes. They all have been hacked or spied upon by someone recently.
I am interested in Apple Pay but I don't know if I trust that either, although it can't be as bad as handing your credit card to someone at a store or restaurant, and I was also one of the people affected by the Target hack, so even big business has security problems with the current system. The gaming advantages that Apple will have probably won't be a big deal with me, as I suck at games so I don't play them.
What are the reasons to buy this iPhone? What do you say to people who A) don't hate Apple but B) would like to know how much the things where Samsung claims to be better either are true, aren't really true, or are just a distortion?
There are some things that are a natural progression. Making a phone with a larger screen size does not seem like an innovative idea anyway you present it. It's not like it takes a high paid think tank to say - hmm we have a screen, what can we do to innovate? I mean, short of making some transparent holographic minority report screen, what can you actual do with the technology currently available in the present?
Make a larger screen option seems like a pretty predictable idea. A natural progression.
To say Apple copied is pretty disingenuous and a really weak argument.
Make a larger screen option seems like a pretty predictable idea. A natural progression.
To say Apple copied is pretty disingenuous and a really weak argument.
There are many ways to develop products. Innovation and staying ahead of the curve is one of them. Listening to the consumers and design-by-conensus is another. Incremental changes to an established product are usually a mix of the two. It just so happened that Android OEM's were willing to fill in the larger screen demand much earlier to apple that only went form 3.5 inches to 4. However to equate that as an innovation and apple's lack of bigger phones as them not innovating is a stretch. While its much easier to take snap polls and be fast responders to consumer demand (which Samsung has historically been GREAT at - across its lines of business be it electronics or shipping) its much tougher to come up with products that have little or no reference point to begin with. "How do you develop something that provides an experience to a customer that the customer does not yet know, he/she wants"? We can see the initial attempts by Samsung on wearables where they had little to go with as a perfect example. Glass like devices would be another area where they are likely to be shaky. Sure, google has done quite a bit with google glass, but no one has yet cracked a way of setting up hardware- and services to make such a device into a commercial success. If rumors are right Samsung is going to take a crack at VR devices - Lets see how they come up. This is one area where Apple has been very strong at..i.e. taking product categories where others have failed, and developing new products that succeed where others have failed.
Vomhorizon, you bring up some interesting points. However let's not forget that Samsung is trying to distance itself from Android and go the route of Tizen. Let's see what they do with this fledgling OS that they have personally backed and helped develop.
Samsung is going to try to control the hardware and OS of it's mobile devices. Gee sounds familiar, like some other company...hmmm...
Samsung is going to try to control the hardware and OS of it's mobile devices. Gee sounds familiar, like some other company...hmmm...
Simply put, Apple isn't innovating on the base technologies that they use for their products. Apple innovates on "human technologies" to make their devices more user friendly and accessible to wider groups of people. Most tech today is based on tech from over a decade ago. Apple just tends to make their products for people instead of other companies making stuff for a "market segment".
The use of "koolaid" as a putdown generally means the person speaking should be disregarded... That's a bad start to the argument.
BTW, I got 6 different Unix flavors at home, half BSD and half Linux, plus I run several version of mac software on VMware on Windows 8.1. Even got laptops running Linux. Got 20+ years of computer engineering behind me. So, not exactly a neophyte in technology.
My only Apple machine is a 3GS bought 5 years ago. If anything, you drink more of the "kool" stuff than me. Now, looking to upgrade my phone.
The fact is that the number of trolls/button pushers is 1000 times higher in Apple forums than they ever are in Android forums, their levels of stridency is also off the chart.
Are you telling that all those trolls actually own Apple hardware... I doubt it very much. They're mostly there to push buttons like all good trolls anywhere.
Yeah, so boss none cared until Apple did it. So, the point stand. Crap implementation until Apple does it good. Samsung's implementation is widely derided as terrible BTW.
There are no oscars for implementing finger print scanners on a phone. Awards for such things are earned through customer satisfaction, widespread adoption of the technology by the customer base and the eventual money earned by selling a product. We are dealing with consumer electronics here and not some cold war battle on who did what in missile defense or advanced aerospace. Good for Motorola and others that incorporated a finger print scanner on a cellular device first. Yet, neither did anything with it other than just putting it there.
Anything made in 2006 could be tagged as "crap implementation" these days. What Apple had in 2006? iPods (the non-touch ones)?
Tizen comes with its own set of troubles. Android, at least has google backing it, and google as a company has been fairly good at innovating and rolling out services that are competitive. Samsung has absolutely no prior track record of ever doing any service "right" let along actually promote a vision for an OS that can even remotely compete with Windows let alone Android and iOS. There is only so much space for a third OS given the current spread of OEM's (thanks to apple that has a monopoly on iOS
) and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that whatever space is left (and the space both in market share and market growth) will be taken up my Microsoft. Microsoft seems to have decided to do software, hardware and services much like apple and as far as this is concerned if they can get a hold on Nokia and do it right, they inspire much more confidence as an overall device integrator than Samsung. Like I opined earlier, there is little Samsung can do to distinguish itself from other Android OEM's. Its UI sucks, Touchwiz is not considered to be great by any regard. Its track record in services is horrible..Yet, Google and Android are the only reasons Samsung can compete with Apple, so its a funny double edged sword for them.One area where Samsung seems to be making an investment is at acquiring services like MILK..yet the penetration of these services in its high growth/developing markets is not significant. A 100 dollar rebate on a subscription service might help it garner sales over HTC in the States but what about India where this has ZERO penetration?
Samsung claiming innovation. Man, worst commercial ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ
Yeah Steve says it best "No one wants a stylus". Nuff said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ
Yeah Steve says it best "No one wants a stylus". Nuff said.
So whats the point of implanting it? If in 2013 Touch ID was a useless technology, that rarely worked and that required many many years to be brought up to a state where it was functional, could be used as a launching pad for making other services much simpler, would anyone say that apple was "smart" for introducing it at that time on the 5s? Whats the point in bringing a feature that is years away from a state where it is useful to an extent that allows it to be implemented in a way that ensures widespread adoption?
Touch ID changed the way biometrics are used on electronic devices. It worked more times than it did not, it was smooth and implemented in a way that was user-friendly. Its scope has been expanded with ios8 and with the new phones there is NFC and mobile payments using a much more secure system compared to physical credit or debit cards. I had a finger print scanner way back on my HP laptop yet rarely used to login. I'm fairly certain apple will try to bring touch ID on the mac at some-point to aid e-commerce and to extend apple pay for internet purchases..It would be a much better capability then what was on my HP even though PC makers can claim to be first to market with a particular capability.
The same has been true in many cases. If you look at the aerospace industry, a few years ago the Collier trophy was awarded to lockheed martin for the Propulsion system of the Joint Strike Fighter. The propulsion system was based on a Pratt and Whitney patented three bearing swivel nozzle developed, patented and static tested for the Convair 2000 program back in the 50's and 60's, applied on the Soviet Yakovlev 141 in the 80's (a largely failed attempt) and later successfully implemented on the F-35 propulsion system by Lockheed in the 2000's. Who gets credit for a working propulsion system based on a 3BSD? United technologies? YaK? or Lockheed that successfully implanted this on a product that actually works and solves the issues associated with STOVL flight? There is no real/objective way to answer this..but looking at the order book gives you a fairly good idea. There is only one production line making a product using the 3BSD and its at Fort Worth and not Moscow.
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The people who said the note series was too big aren't necessarily the ones buying the 6+ more than likely it's everyone who likes the bigger screen size and has just been waiting for Apple to release one!
For those of you wondering how the iPhone 6 pre-order numbers compare to Samsung's Galaxy S line:
http://iphone-inventory.blogspot.com/2014/09/iphone-launch-number-comparisons.html
http://iphone-inventory.blogspot.com/2014/09/iphone-launch-number-comparisons.html
Why are people not buying the Note 4 in large numbers then and instead buying the iPhone 6+? How does Samsung answer that question? Why can't they sell millions of Note4's on launch day if its just size that the customers want? There are a lot of things that influence consumer decisions. The Note has existed in a market that was challenged with a lot of products that lacked the size and presence of Samsung. Now the category has apple in the mix. What do you think the consumers will prefer? Wacom supported Stylus running over Touch Whiz with its nuances or IOS8 running 6+with continuity, an established, well known UI (based on a large iPhone installed base) and services that make integration between devices so much smoother? The Note family is in big trouble as the 6+ will most likely re-define the phablet market before this christmas. I have always disliked phablets and personally would never use a phone larger then 5 inches, but for almost a year now I have been claiming that when apple does dicide to do a phablet (5.2-5.5 inches) it will essentially define the size and scope of the market for such devices. We can compare all of the Note 3 sales between September 2013 and September 2014 to what the 6+ Sells in just one quarter following launch. The market will be seriously re-defined
and you do not do this by "not innovating" and by not knowing what succeeds in consumer electronics - a point often made by apple critics.
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