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New WikiLeaks Series Details CIA's 'Specialized Unit' Dedicated to Creating iOS Exploits

yaxomoxay said:
I don't understand this reasoning. If I am a witness to a murder the cops don't ask me to prove that the victim also murdered someone. As long as the murder I am talking about is real, that's all it matters for the specific case.
We have no idea about any other leak they might have, we don't know if they have RNC material. That doesn't mean that the DNC leaks, or today's CIA leaks, are of any less gravity.
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Bad analogy. Wikileaks doesn't witness any crime. They just report what the witnesses claimed that happen.

My point is that Wikileaks withholds information. They are releasing certain information to make some people look more favorable than others.

Wikileaks can get CIA secrets but can't get something as simple as Trump's tax returns. lol!
 
glitch44 said:
Trump: “Grab them by the *****. You can do anything.”

This is sexual assault. You think it's worse to describe what he's doing than for him to actually do it?
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Again, this is libel.
First you say that Trump said something he never said.
Second you say it in present simple as if implying that it's still going on.
Then you add that "it is sexual assault" without the decision of a jury.
 
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Herdfan said:
Yes he was back when he did it. And he even stuffed a cigar in an intern's ***** when HE WAS THE PRESIDENT.
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Bill Clinton wasn't running for president in November of 2016. How is this difficult for you to understand. Why do you have a problem with what Bill did but not what Trump bragged about and the women accusing him of doing?
 
npmacuser5 said:
Yes and my statement stands, "Extreme National Security", applies. In the extreme abuse of NSL's after 911, approximately 25K were issued, or .008 percent of the US population. Since then new oversight implemented and the number of requests have dropped to around 14K. A necessary tool but far from what I would call the sky is falling on our rights. The same with the parallel constructionism as noted earlier. Effective tools that are used when need and as with the NSL's if they get abused as after 911, corrections are made. I for one will not loose any sleep over these numbers.
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....NSL's have been used as virtual general warrants. To suggest one NSL covers one person (1:1 ratio) is to ignore the reality of how they have been, and still are being used.
 
nia820 said:
Bad analogy. Wikileaks doesn't witness any crime. They just report what the witnesses claimed that happen.

My point is that Wikileaks withholds information. They are releasing certain information to make some people look more favorable than others.

Wikileaks can get CIA secrets but can't get something as simple as Trump's tax returns. lol!
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meh, just change witnessing to obtaining some document that proves who the murderer is.
 
glitch44 said:
Bill Clinton wasn't running for president in November of 2016. How is this difficult for you to understand. Why do you have a problem with what Bill did but not what Trump bragged about and the women accusing him of doing?
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maybe because Hillary went after Bill's accusers herself...........
anyways thread is not about it.
 
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yaxomoxay said:
Again, this is libel.
First you say that Trump said something he never said.
Second you say it in present simple as if implying that it's still going on.
Then you add that "it is sexual assault" without the decision of a jury.
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Didn't use quotation marks. Translated the crux of what he said, which is grabbing women by the ***** without their permission. If I grab your mother/wife/girlfriend/sister and do the same, would you say it's sexual assault? Would you try to punch me, or just be cool with it because that's just how guys are?

Do you know why Trump hasn't sued the women that made accusations about him?

A legal term called "discovery."
 
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glitch44 said:
Trump: “Grab them by the *****. You can do anything.”

This is sexual assault. You think it's worse to describe what he's doing than for him to actually do it?
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Oh for crying out loud. Sure, what he said was vile, but I've heard women say equally bad things. I love how moral relativists like you have no problem with Hillary's husband actually DOING those things and getting caught. That's not assault to the Clinton sycophants. But Trump just saying something is? Good lord, our country is doomed if the electorate is that stupid. Reality check. Trump is a pig and says gross things. Bill Clinton is a pig who DOES those things and his women's rights champion wife ignores it because her political career and narcissistic quest to be the first woman president was more important. And to think, beaten by Donald Trump of all people. Pathetic.
 
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glitch44 said:
Didn't use quotation marks. Translated the crux of what he said, which is grabbing women by the ***** without their permission. If I grab your mother/wife/girlfriend/sister and do the same, would you say it's sexual assault? Would you try to punch me, or just be cool with it because that's just how guys are?

Do you know why Trump hasn't sued the women that made accusations about him?

A legal term called "discovery."
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He actually said that they let him do it, so the "without their permission" is not really that close to reality. One one thing I will agree with you: they were despicable comments.

Now that you enjoyed OT-land, can we go back to the reason of this thread, you know... CIA spying on the world, adding and even paying for weaknesses, etc. ?
 
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robbyx said:
Oh for crying out loud. Sure, what he said was vile, but I've heard women say equally bad things. I love how moral relativists like you have no problem with Hillary's husband actually DOING those things and getting caught./QUOTE]
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You might want to sit down.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-the-women-accusing-trump-of-rape-sexual-assault.html

Amazing. Hillary Clinton is the only one in this equation who hasn't allegedly sexually assaulted someone, but she's getting blamed for it.
 
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jkcerda said:
maybe because Hillary went after Bill's accusers herself...........
anyways thread is not about it.
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And maybe because it reveals the utter lack of character on her part to stay married to a serial abuser while selling herself as some champion of women's rights.
 
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glitch44 said:
Didn't use quotation marks. Translated the crux of what he said, which is grabbing women by the ***** without their permission. If I grab your mother/wife/girlfriend/sister and do the same, would you say it's sexual assault? Would you try to punch me, or just be cool with it because that's just how guys are?

Do you know why Trump hasn't sued the women that made accusations about him?

A legal term called "discovery."
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you are making things up.. he said "when you are a star, they let you" blah blah blah.
 
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robbyx said:
I'd say the complete idiots are the ones who want to shoot the messenger. All this talk of Russian interference in our election is nonsense designed to distract the public from the truth. Thank goodness we have organizations like Wikileaks that stand up to the shameless and hypocritical behavior of governments and elected officials. Did Russia hack our voting machines? No. Did Russia manufacture fake news to manipulate the electorate? No.
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Really? Just from today's news:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d37856-0352-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html

"Fake news" in this context is just another word for propaganda, and Russia is without any doubt running a massive propaganda effort to undermine western democracies.
Do we have any real evidence of them influencing our election? No.
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Really? The strategically timed drip-drip of leaked emails from just one side was just a conincidence?
What I find most disturbing is how many Americans would rather look the other way and sanction government deceit and unlawful behavior than face reality. I'd rather know the truth about how despicable these fake politicians are than continue to live in some delusional fantasy land Murica.
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So what "deceit and unlawful behavior" was disclosed by those email leaks? Actually none of them rose above "embarrassing".
The only reason these politicians are banging the Russia drum is to deflect from their own actions and words. It's disgraceful.
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What is disgraceful is how some people suddenly start creating false equivalencies and downplaying the actions of a thuggish dictator because it helps their political side.
 
NT1440 said:
....And use what instead? Regular mail is intercepted all the time. Emails are scanned on masse. You don't have carrier pigeons do you?
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That's kind of my point. What are you(rhetorical) going to do about it? Who do we turn to fix it? Legitimately asking because I have no idea. I think you mentioned that the person that were put in charge of these agencies, have lied every step of the way up to including lying to Congress.
This is one of those circumstances where you and I agree despite our political differences. This goes beyond party politics.
 
glitch44 said:
If I grab your mother/wife/girlfriend/sister and do the same, would you say it's sexual assault?
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It's Love, Brother Love, say
Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show
Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies
And ev'ryone goes, 'cause everyone knows
Brother Love's show

(Neil Diamond, Brother's love)​
 
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glitch44 said:
Bill Clinton wasn't running for president in November of 2016. How is this difficult for you to understand. Why do you have a problem with what Bill did but not what Trump bragged about and the women accusing him of doing?
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My point is the left didn't have any more problem with what Bill did than the right does with what Trump has done. So if you don't care what Bill did, then you are a hypocrite if you care what Trump did.
 
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nia820 said:
I find Wikileaks timing of this all too convenient. They've released this to take the heat off of the Russian investigations.

Its just a another diversion for Trump.
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Umbridge was designed to leave behind digital fingerprints of other agencies.

So on the one hand, we continue to hear about Russia with zero evidence (and actual evidence to the contrary) while on the other we have actual evidence that the CIA is able to replicate digital 'fingerprints' of other intelligence agencies.
 
glitch44 said:
You've got it backwards. He was lying about being wiretapped by Obama for political purposes, who doesn't have the power to direct law enforcement surveillance of citizens. (No President does.) If there was surveillance of someone on Trump's organization (Flynn, Manafort) it would be because the Justice Dept. and FBI directed it through a FISA court. Trump's lying about it to muddy the water about his many Russian connections. (And more we likely don't know about because he refuses to release his taxes.)
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Because no President hasn't ever done anything they shouldn't. Get real! :rolleyes:
 
nwcs said:
And you can bet every other nation on earth with technology has the same, is developing the same, or is doing more.
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Well, considering these tools were leaked form the CIA, I am sure every other nation on earth as well as non-state actors have these tools.
 
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