Like many of you I have been waiting for the new iMac since February. The only reason I see for the iMac to be refreshed along side Mountain Lion is that after Apple corrected the 'no iMac and Mac Pro until 2013' to being 'no Mac Pro until 2013' I, like many of you assumed that meant there would be an iMac sooner than 2013. This, coupled with the fact that the 'The New iPhone' is likely to be released in the fall, leads me to believe that if Apple is going to refresh the iMac and they don't want any of their products competing with the iPhone for attention, then they have to release the iMacs with Mountain Lion.
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Neither do I.
The iPad, at least for many users, is sensible precisely because there is a non-portable device at home. My tablet liberates the "must be mobile" uses from the "must be big" uses: email, browsing, remote desktop, here-and-now apps travel with me, while massive screen, massive storage, massive bandwidth hardware sits home; no more trying to compromise the two extremes into a barely-portable briefcase with barely-powerful capability. To give up the desktop would be to give up mobility.
As for unification of desktops into a single (with standard minor variations) box wired to your choice of screen: that undoes much of the point of the iMac's all-in-one design, adding one more box (a non-trivial one at that) and at least one more wire (power + video). The direction is reducing component count, not increasing it. Mac Mini doesn't seem like the desktop paradigm they'll pursue.
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Still think they'll have a tough time releasing OS X ML in close proximity to iMac 2012 without the latter also having "retina".
Any new non-retina products at this point will seem like a stumble, after introducing retina into iPhone/iPod -> iPad -> MacBook Pro. Maybe a "with or without" choice for a premium iMac, but don't see at least the option not being there.
Indeed, but the link you've posted isn't the same as the tweet from 9-5. It's a for a different Mac, which claims to be a new iMac 13,2.
The one you posted looks very legitimate and it has all of the appropriate information. It's the score I was referring to and we heard about it back in May.
The one below does not. Also the score for the i7 3770 is exactly what I would expect in 32-bit geek bench since last year's 3.4 i7-2600 got around 11,400. Considering that the i7-2600 and the i7-3770 have the same clock speed, the difference looks spot on to me.
This other benchmark does not look legitimate - the numbers look spoofed in comparison to the leaked 2012 MBP and the previous iMac benchmark from May.
Just look at the motherboard, never mind the fact that the machine appears to be running slower than expected.
Apple Inc. Mac-FC02E91DDD3FA6A4 iMac13,2 vs Apple Inc. Mac-FC02E91DDD3FA6A4 x.x
This is the geek bench score that the tweet refers to:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/862450
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We had lots of part leaks and news just before the MBP and the MBA were refreshed. There were also lots of parts leaks before the 2011 iMac was released. Oh, wait....
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That could be the exact reason why we're seeing the delay.
I don't buy that. Apple's best-selling Mac — the MacBook Air — has just been refreshed sans retina. And the retina display on the MacBook Pro has had a mixed reception at best. Your broader point is correct, Apple is moving toward retina displays across all products, but I think it will be a more gradual evolution than you suggest.
Having said all that, I can think of no other reason for delaying the new iMac. All other components necessary for refresh à la the Mac Book Air are in place. If they're not waiting on retina displays, what are they waiting on? The only answer to that, sadly, is that like the iPod Classic/MacBook Pro, the iMac is a product line that's being allowed to die a slow death.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15266316/
I'm reading this on an iPad as have not had much luck on macrumors forums on my iPhone. Can you see the whole post? If not, check it out at a desk top when you get back to work tomorrow.
apple is not going to kill the imac period thats a given even if dont release till 2013 if apple went out their way to say that the mac pro isnt dead then neither the imac i really really dont think apple is ready to kill it not now maybe 5 years from now but no i dont believe that
This is the link in the tweet - http://t.co/ZsKNKbyt
BTW, if using MacRumors on iPhone or iPad, Tapatalk is a must..
Thanks, both. I've already found it, because I am back home and addressed it above. It's a different geek bench result to the one I was referring to.
I can't use Tapatalk for some reason. There is nothing wrong with the application. It's me that has some issue with it. I don't even use the mobile version of the forums on my phone.
I am pessimistic about the refresh as well, but you can dismiss your concern on this particular point. With most refreshes, only a small number of base config units are available in store right away, well within Apple's shipping capabilities. ALL CTOs and most general availability is by shipping starting after the fact. I have bought multiple Macs upon refresh and this has consistently been the case. For notebooks, they tend to drop ship straight from Shenzhen to the buyer; for desktops, it varies by CTO option but can come from Shenzhen or from within the United States. There is also a slight delay even for the initial rush of purchases; if we knew for a fact, for example, that the 2012 iMac was due 7/25, a buyer who wanted a CTO should not expect to have it in hand before ~8/3 or thereabouts.
The refresh may still not occur until 2013 -- or never! -- but we won't be able to deduce anything from any lack of shipping prior to the refresh date. Obviously the converse is another story; if an Apple store gets a gigantic pallet of boxes, even if they keep them wrapped up, whichever employees are allowed in that part of the stockroom (and are under soul-crushing NDAs no doubt) will easily figure out what they are. Of course, the public may or may not learn the truth before the rollout.
As of today, I handicap the iMac outcomes approximately:
1:1 - Refresh in 2013 or later
3:1 - No future updates; product end-of-lifed
7:1 - Update 7/25
7:1 - Update 9/19 (the day after back-to-school offer ends)
9999:1 - Update another date between 7/26 and 12/31/2012
Total 50%+25%+12.5%+12.5%+0.00001%=~100%
These figures rectally sourced but based on a careful assessment of the scant existing public information and Apple's past and present tendencies.
Not even rumors. I only see people complain and upset of waiting, asking "what if" or "what you're gonna do". Pretty sad
Yea I remember around March last year there was a hint that the new 2011 iMac then would be released some time between April and May. Turned out to be spot on. So if the new 2012 iMac is a go, there got to be a hint indicating rough timeline for the release.
I hope one of the analysts on the earnings call next week asks a few pointed questions about Apple's commitment to desktop Macs. Although Apple typically doesn't comment about unreleased products, they've already opened the door by saying something, however vague, about plans for the Mac Pro.
This seems to be the most logical arguement in this thread. That is that iMac is dying -or indeed dead. It has become a professional's machine. Maybe it will drag on and get a retina screen on its way out. But in that case the 27" seems to me to be vunerable. I notice Apple are suggesting using retina-MBP with an Apple Display.
You people are hilarious. If your son is late for curfew, do you assume he's dead? Or, maybe, that he got tied up in something or lost track of time or needed to wait for AAA to come give him a jump start?
I think everyone who thinks the iMac is going to be "end of life" is absolutely insane.
Look at the state of the Mac Mini prior to it's unibody refresh - everyone was saying "Mac Mini is dead! It's gone! Apple is not going to refresh it!". Wah.
Just because the computer isn't coming out when you want it to, doesn't mean its dead. If you don't like it, throw your money at some other brand instead.
Me? I'll wait and see what there is. If it fits what I need, I'll buy it. If not, I'll buy something else.
Look at the state of the Mac Mini prior to it's unibody refresh - everyone was saying "Mac Mini is dead! It's gone! Apple is not going to refresh it!". Wah.
Just because the computer isn't coming out when you want it to, doesn't mean its dead. If you don't like it, throw your money at some other brand instead.
Me? I'll wait and see what there is. If it fits what I need, I'll buy it. If not, I'll buy something else.
If my son doesn't CALL or somehow let us know why he's late, then yes, I assume something potentially terrible has happened to him. By analogy, if Apple would just let us know what's going on, maybe we wouldn't have to assume the worst, but they won't, and they are breaking their own precedents left and right, so we must. It doesn't help that Apple has a laser focus on mobile Macs and iToys these days and has provided love for those user groups in abundance while leaving the desktops to languish. To continue the late son analogy, it's like when he's still not home, and you see a report of a huge pile-up on the freeway, and you get a knock on the door, and the cop says they're not sure it was him, but they're using his name.
With respect, that is a rubbish analogy. Your son, presumably as an emotional obligation to inform you of his whereabouts. Apple has none. It's a corporation that manufactures consumer electronics. If you need one of their products then buy one. If your current needs are not met by their current portfolio, then buy something else or wait for them to develop the product that may satisfy your needs. I know people get emotionally attached to their inanimate objects but surely to liken Apple to your son is stretching it
I think the 'suspected dead' comments are based on the incredulity regarding Apple's continued selling of one and a half year old technology (at the one and a half year old price), in a market where latest and greatest hardware is a primary selling point, and updates more frequently than per annum.
In other words:
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It is easy to assume that if they had future plans for this product, they would not be treating it so poorly. If consumers are to rely on this desktop solution, they need to have confidence in the support and update cycles concerning it.
This is more significantly vital for those using the machine professionally. Hardware requirements for professional software packages become more demanding over time. As a consumer I would have legitimate concerns about selecting a platform that may no longer be updated, or that may be updated in longer cycles that would rob me of my performance (and hence productivity) advantages, whilst users (and possibly competitors) on other platforms gain their advantages sooner.
Having said that, I still believe that the iMac will be updated at least once more. Mobile solutions for desktop needs via thunderbolt displays feels more like a "jerry-rigged" contraption of compromise, as the form factors cripple expected hardware options. This is one area where size does, and will continue to matter.
In other words:
target=self;
object=foot;
action=shoot;
It is easy to assume that if they had future plans for this product, they would not be treating it so poorly. If consumers are to rely on this desktop solution, they need to have confidence in the support and update cycles concerning it.
This is more significantly vital for those using the machine professionally. Hardware requirements for professional software packages become more demanding over time. As a consumer I would have legitimate concerns about selecting a platform that may no longer be updated, or that may be updated in longer cycles that would rob me of my performance (and hence productivity) advantages, whilst users (and possibly competitors) on other platforms gain their advantages sooner.
Having said that, I still believe that the iMac will be updated at least once more. Mobile solutions for desktop needs via thunderbolt displays feels more like a "jerry-rigged" contraption of compromise, as the form factors cripple expected hardware options. This is one area where size does, and will continue to matter.
iMac is not going away. Desktop sales may not be a big slice of Apple's revenue pie anymore, but it's big business at over 1M units per quarter and it's growing. There's a nice graph halfway down this linked page showing laptops outpacing desktops yet a clear upward trend for desktop sales for Apple over the past few years.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1164973/apple_reports_record_revenue_profit_for_fiscal_first_quarter.html
http://www.macworld.com/article/1164973/apple_reports_record_revenue_profit_for_fiscal_first_quarter.html
whats all the fuzz with the imac being dead? can we stop it already? i think its obvious apple isnt going to kill the imac period. If cook went out his way to say that the mac pro isnt dead then the imac most definately isnt ok so cut the crap with imac being dead its stupid to think so.. i need of one really bad and i know apple is taking longer than usual but the imac isnt dead.. if you say that apple has left their desktops a the black sheep then they are but it doesnt mean that they going to kill it so STOP IT!! lol
whats all the fuzz with the imac being dead? can we stop it already? i think its obvious apple isnt going to kill the imac period. If cook went out his way to say that the mac pro isnt dead then the imac most definately isnt ok so cut the crap with imac being dead its stupid to think so.. i need of one really bad and i know apple is taking longer than usual but the imac isnt dead.. if you say that apple has left their desktops a the black sheep then they are but it doesnt mean that they going to kill it so STOP IT!! lol
agreed with caveat. Insert "yet". a couple more bumps and then I suspect it is more than a possibility, the way things are going.
I'll start considering the possibility that the iMac is dead if we make it to the 2013 WWDC without an update. Really, I think it's highly likely it just comes out next week and the delay was primarily the 680M. If it doesn't, then maybe Digitimes wasn't bending over and speaking with their rear after all.. though I still have trouble reconciling an iMac release in iOS shine time.
Not dead, just stuck in the basement of guest house. (hey, the Mac pro is in the garden shed, so . . . . )
Not dead, just stuck in the basement of guest house. (hey, the Mac pro is in the garden shed, so . . . . )
Lol