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No New iPhone this year

Apple knows if they throw in a faster iPhone, just for the hell of it, they'll still get large sales just from people upgrading from their iPhone 4.

Personally, I don't think Apple will release a new iOS without the release of a new iPhone. And I just don't think Apple can push 4.0 until 2012.
 
.Shine said:
LOL. Okay.
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Translation: "I'm going to pretend I know more than anyway else, so much much that I can laugh. Even though, like everyone else, I'm just speculating." :)

2. scaredpoet, you have to realize that Apple is still a company in a competitive market.
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And you have to realize what Apple management has been saying, conference call after conference call: they are not looking at Nielsen data, or at what Android is doing. They are looking at how many devices they are selling, whether it's an upward or downward trend, and whether they are making a sizable profit out of that.

In any case, I agree with you that there's probably going to be a new iPhone this year. But I guess you had to dazzle us with your insight so badly that you didn't bother to read that far.
 
There's always the iPod argument. Until recently, what made an iPod any better than the countless much cheaper mp3 players? Nothin. Nothin at all. Unlike the AppleTV, which is the only device that can play iTunes videos, iTunes can work with any mp3 player, sync it and what not, even sync your purchase material.

No FM, poorer battery life than some, less storage than some twice as much if not more.

But it sold like friggin' crazy, so much so that it became a household name. People don't call mp3 players mp3 players, they call them iPods, all of them. I'm not saying it was junk, it was a great device, but did it have a real technical reason to be the top product? Not at all IMHO, but it still sold.

There is always that argument, that the iPhone doesn't have to out perform Android devices to outsell them.

That said, sometimes Apple doesn't even wait a full 12 months to refresh hardware, they will do it. A new iPhone in SOME capacity will come out in June. People will be disappointed, since it'll just be a mild hardware refresh (maybe a dual core CPU, maybe more RAM, who knows, but not as much of a jump as 3GS to iPhone 4, like people are expecting), but it'll happen.
 
Apple can simply tweak the settings of the current iP4 hardware to gain a performance increase. (Clock speeds) If they did that, and redesigned iOS to more modern standards (social networking integration for starters) it would please everyone involved. Also, keep in mind that its absolutely no secret that Apple releases new phones in the summer. If someone purchases an iP4 on Verizon in February , and a refresh comes out in July, that's more than standard in todays mobile cycle. After that, its absolutely no different than someone buying the 3gs on Att 45 days before the iP5 comes out.

The new iPad will tell us the processor and configurations to watch for this summer in the iPhone refresh. (And yes, I do know there is a ram difference between the two currently)

Stop over thinking it. Most of you don't remember the Old Apple that gave a rats ass about their customers. Those days are sadly gone because of their success gained by iOS and iPhone. Most of us OSX users are not happy about this direction and the breaks we have seen with OSX development.

There will be a refresh this summer. Apples greed makes it a mortal lock.

IMO, iOS is starting to stink up the place. Its high time for a facelift.
 
Maven1975 said:
Apple can simply tweak the settings of the current iP4 hardware to gain a performance increase. (Clock speeds) If they did that, and redesigned iOS to more modern standards (social networking integration for starters) it would please everyone involved. Also, keep in mind that its absolutely no secret that Apple releases new phones in the summer. If someone purchases an iP4 on Verizon in February , and a refresh comes out in July, that's more than standard in todays mobile cycle. After that, its absolutely no different than someone buying the 3gs on Att 45 days before the iP5 comes out.

The new iPad will tell us the processor and configurations to watch for this summer in the iPhone refresh. (And yes, I do know there is a ram difference between the two currently)

Stop over thinking it. Most of you don't remember the Old Apple that gave a rats ass about their customers. Those days are sadly gone because of their success gained by iOS and iPhone. Most of us OSX users are not happy about this direction and the breaks we have seen with OSX development.

There will be a refresh this summer. Apples greed makes it a mortal lock.

IMO, iOS is starting to stink up the place. Its high time for a facelift.
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I agree with everything said here.
Hopefully Apple starts to love the Mac again. iPhones are cool, but the Mac is the best device vie ever used.
 
Just like the 3g to the 3gs, we will have a similar update this year. My prediction, it will be an iPhone with a 4 inch screen and it will be called.....iPhone 4".
 
Apple is not about to miss a chance to grab more of our money. It's getting crazy. Apple headlines daily, and we're gonna pay. It's only money.
 
I can see this happening. Apple has never been about making this into an arms race. I predict a minimal upgrade similar to the iPod 5.5G in 2006. Perhaps a GB boost and other minor things refined. Apple can even slash prices to penetrate the mass market even more.

Dual-core is great and all, but it is like the megapixel count. Bigger MP doesn't mean it will take better photos. Android is not even truly optimized for dual-core yet. Apple has always been about making things just work. Android can have 2GHz phones and the screen may not be as responsive and the UI may still not be as buttery smooth like an iPhone 4. RIM is already having a challenge optimizing PlayBook's battery life to a minimum of 8 hours. I say Apple won't have any formal new announcement in June/July, but will quietly upgrade them especially with Steve Jobs taking his leave of absence. It still takes time to optimize to newer tech and it takes time to optimize battery life for this faster performance. Again, it never has been an arms race for them. Apple is all about looking at their bottom line. Look at Nintendo and their outdated tech. While Sony and Microsoft went into an arms race of raw power, Nintendo focused on gameplay and sold millions of Wiis and DSes with inferior hardware.
 
I'm hoping for a tweak to the iPhone 4 and then a major overhaul next year just in time for my upgrade. :D
 
scaredpoet said:
Translation: "I'm going to pretend I know more than anyway else, so much much that I can laugh. Even though, like everyone else, I'm just speculating." :)



And you have to realize what Apple management has been saying, conference call after conference call: they are not looking at Nielsen data, or at what Android is doing. They are looking at how many devices they are selling, whether it's an upward or downward trend, and whether they are making a sizable profit out of that.

In any case, I agree with you that there's probably going to be a new iPhone this year. But I guess you had to dazzle us with your insight so badly that you didn't bother to read that far.
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Wrong translation.
I was laughing at the troll, hence my 1st point was right after that comment.
Don't take offence to that, it was not directed to you.

As much Apple management say that over conference call, i'm pretty sure they're keeping a close eye on their competition regardless. Every company does that, they need to.

I was mentioning that the next iPhone upgrade won't be a subtle one such as the 3G to 3GS. Dazzle, what dazzle? I think that was contrasting your over exaggeration and the iPhone comparison to the Mac.
Regardless, i guess we are talking about the same thing, in different ways.
 
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....I'm gonna buck the trend here and say, IMO there won't be a new re-designed iPhone this summer.

Yea - sure - Apple is known for bringing out a new iPhone every year, BUT, the 'new iPhone' THIS year, will be (and willing to bet money on this!) the white version of the iPone 4...........

When the iPhone 3G was released to the masses, it was such a major overhaul from the original iPhone. That lasted a year until the 3GS was released, which, while the form factor was exactly the same, did have some improvements.

Again, that lasted a year until another total overhaul was made and Apple released the iPhone 4 to the masses. Come this summer - there is no way that they will overhaul the design yet again. They will make slight internal improvements and yes, IMO, that will be the white iPhone 4.......:D
 
tigress666 said:
Pretty much. It would be very foolish for Apple to rely on the iPhone 4 as if they are still selling a dated phone when all these new ones are out (and it being a year old + will make it dated in the smartphone world) will get people considering other phones.

Which means they get into the Android/Windows 7 ecosystem, get used to that, and stay there rather than change. It's much harder to gain ground in the technology market when you start getting a reputation for a dated product and being "so last year". You want to keep momentum when you have it, not rest on your laurels and let it slip away. Once you get a "dated" reputation, people forget about you, focus on the new in thing that took over, and all the sudden you have an uphill battle.
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Don't agree with above. The 'novelty' of the device is absolutely not the only factor relevant to the decision of the consumer. Of course it might be, if the consumer is still in the age when he or she feels the need to enter the pissing competition right left and center. But many people make the decision to buy the phone for other reasons, such as functionality or design for example, where their needs/wants and so the phones they will buy, will vary.

Someone who wants a beautiful phone which also runs smoothly and doesn't require a PhD to operate, they might choose an iPhone. Someone who needs extra functionality of the newest software and is prepared to spend some time to figure out the best way to access that functionality, they might choose an Android phone.

The point is, it is not necessarily foolish of Apple to sell 'outdated' phone, for as long as there is a niche of customers who are prepared to buy this outdated phone.
 
Dino F said:
....I'm gonna buck the trend here and say, IMO there won't be a new re-designed iPhone this summer.

Yea - sure - Apple is known for bringing out a new iPhone every year, BUT, the 'new iPhone' THIS year, will be (and willing to bet money on this!) the white version of the iPone 4...........

When the iPhone 3G was released to the masses, it was such a major overhaul from the original iPhone. That lasted a year until the 3GS was released, which, while the form factor was exactly the same, did have some improvements.

Again, that lasted a year until another total overhaul was made and Apple released the iPhone 4 to the masses. Come this summer - there is no way that they will overhaul the design yet again. They will make slight internal improvements and yes, IMO, that will be the white iPhone 4.......:D
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The 3G was actually almost identical to the original iPhone, with the exception of having the 3G chip and GPS capabilities. Everything else (CPU, GPU, amount of RAM) was identical to the original iPhone.
 
Sedrick said:
Seems people are confusing 'new phone' with 'new model' and with 'updated phone'.

Judging from Apples record, this year will be an updated phone. Same screen, same form-factor, same #4. Might get some new innards and maybe an antenna fix, but just an updated phone non-the-less. And they'll tack an S or a G on the end.

The 'new model' is every other year, not every year.

I would agree, though, that if Apple is taking competition from phones like the Atrix seriously, they could wake the hell up and put out a new model this year that is going to compete. We can only dream.
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Even if the hardware upgrade would not be that great, I seriously doubt Apple would change their previous naming scheme (if you'd call it that) to a number scheme that would only really apply for one generation.

I bet my money that whatever iPhone comes out this summer, be it a small update or an enormous change, there will be no 'G' or 'S' added and will be called the iPhone 5
 
The Great Boony said:
There will be no HARDWARE changes this year, they are putting all their effort into the new IOS...

Is it that complicated to understand? Apple believe, that the hardware in the IP4 is good for another year and with the Verizon iPhone just coming out, they will no refresh this year, the white iPhone 4 will come out, and the new IOS will push the iPhone.

I really don’t know why you’re all having trouble with this? Did you think that Apple were going to change the iPhone for everyone accept Verizon? So have two different iPhone models? (3 if you include the 3GS) or did you think they were going to change that in June too?

7 options:

1) New iPhone 5 – just non-verizon - not going to happen, two iPhone models, phones out of sync
2) New iPhone 5 - Verizon + AT&T integrated version - not going to happen – Why do months of development on Verizon iP4 to only sell it for a couple of months?
3) New iPhone 5 - Two new models for Verizon and AT&T - not going to happen – Why do months of development on Verizon iP4 to only sell it for a couple of months?
4) Create a iP4 ‘S’ – For AT&T models - Not going to happen – Verizon version will be out of sync
5) Create a iP4 ‘S’ - Verizon + AT&T integrated version - not going to happen – Why do months of development on Verizon iP4 to only sell it for a couple of months?
6) Create a iP4 ‘S’ - Two new models for Verizon and AT&T - not going to happen – Why do months of development on Verizon iP4 to only sell it for a couple of months?
7) Keep models the same and bring out killer IOS upgrades, release white iPhone and bring out an integrated Verizon and AT&T iPhone 5 next year.
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What about the rest of the world that doesn't care about whether one American service provider has an older phone? There is much more to this than AT&T vs Verizon, and if Apple doesn't release a new GSM-compatible phone this year, they will lose a lot of sales world-wide and they will pretty much hand the global market straight to Google.

Apple is already losing sales to Android-based handsets for not upgrading the phones often enough, if any change in the release cycle they should release phones more often.
 
Well, if they hold off announcing the white iPhone until June, it means they ain't got much. Makes you wonder what they'll have up their sleeves after a year of dev time.

I doubt the OS is going to be reworked, they just ported it over to the iPad. They're set with this thing for awhile longer.

So, improved notifications, faster processor, wifi tethering... I could care less about any of that. Liquid Metal back and 3.8" screen, I can get behind that.
 
Pez555 said:
you are foolish if you truly believe that.
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Of course Apple does look at other phone OS manufacturers, but it doesn't follow that the latter drive their decision to update or not to update the iPhone.

For as long as Android or Blackberry or whoever else is not a competition to iPhone, their 'progresses' will be completely irrelevant to Apple. And the question of whether they are in fact a competition to Apple depends solely on which niche of consumers Apple is targeting.

Just because a bunch of people wish for a cutting edge iPhone that would beat all Androids and Blackberries, it doesn't follow that Apple wish for the same. Because Apple may instead target a different group of people, people who don't give a damn about how cutting edge their phone is, or how it compares to other phones out there, and who look instead for a certain qualities which iOS and iPhone can give them by contrast to other OS and other phones.
 
I just saw this posted on CultofMac a few seconds ago. It says Apple is hinting that an iPhone 5 will be coming out simultaneously this summer.

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-hint...tofmac/bFow+(Cult+of+Mac)&utm_content=Twitter

After reading the quote "But if it does, and you buy an iPhone 4 now, you’ll be stuck with an outdated phone in only five months," I get the idea that this is showing no new iPhone 5 because who wants to be "stuck with an outdated phone in only five months." Maybe someone can clarify this but it seems to me this is backing up the OP's claim.

Also, why hasn't MacDawg come back and said whether or not his "proof" is legitimate and why hasn't the OP responded to his "I work in an Apple store, I'm all knowing" comment as well.
 
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