Good for Nokia. If Apple is indeed breaking their patents, then they have every right to sue. And all of you whining about Nokia would be supportive of Apple if it was the other way around.
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Nokia Broadens Attack on Apple With New Lawsuit Targeting iPhone and iPad 3G
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Because everyone except for Apple has agreed to either pay the license payments or entered into cross licensing deals. You have to ask Apple why they have chosen not to.
Yeah, why Apple can't just give up and quit suing other companies for patent infringements? Or is it that only other companies need to stop suing Apple and not the other way around?
While you are correct in the ratios, you have to realize that Apple's iPhone now holds 16+%, RIM holds 19% which means Nokia holds only about 40%. With both RIM's numbers and Nokia's numbers falling while the iPhone and Android are rising, Nokia has clear reason to worry... especially since Nokia hasn't been able to really break into the US market while the iPhone is growing world-wide.
No.
Not going to happen as Nokia is a foreign company. Its that simple. Finland would never let Nokia get bought out by an American company. Finns are very proud of Nokia and the company helped almost single handely pull the country from economic recession in the early 90's.
So hang it up. Not an option. Never will be.
Not going to happen as Nokia is a foreign company. Its that simple. Finland would never let Nokia get bought out by an American company. Finns are very proud of Nokia and the company helped almost single handely pull the country from economic recession in the early 90's.
So hang it up. Not an option. Never will be.
Ehm, Apple lost marketshare from Q4/09 to Q1/10 (also already from Q3/09 to Q4/09). Nokia had their best ever smartphone sales in Q1/2010. Also Nokia sold almost more smartphones than RIM, Apple and HTC together. Nokia's revenue (almost only phones) was higher than Apple's (phones + computers + ipods + itms + hobby apple tv). With the Nokia 5800XM Nokia has the best selling touchscreen smartphone in history.
And with new stuff like the N8 they don't have to worry anything, especially because some tech sites in Europe reported today that Nokia will already release the N8 in June and not in H2/2010 like most people guessed before.
No, the external design is best protected under design patent law. Copyright doesn't work because of the useful article exception to copyright.
Now I'm an Apple fan too, but like earlier said, I still have the ability to reason sensibly and to understand why patents exist, and what licensing patented technology means.
Nokia have the patents. From a time before iPhone. From a time before any other phone manufacturer had GPS in their phones. Before iPhone, the Nokia N series led the way - yes there was Palm but each went quickly out of date.
Nokia has a good case, it's not trying to stop Apple from using its concepts, it just wants Apple to pay the licensing. It's pennies per phone.
Nokia have the patents. From a time before iPhone. From a time before any other phone manufacturer had GPS in their phones. Before iPhone, the Nokia N series led the way - yes there was Palm but each went quickly out of date.
Nokia has a good case, it's not trying to stop Apple from using its concepts, it just wants Apple to pay the licensing. It's pennies per phone.
Nokia sucks in mobiles ( personal experience from the N 97 ,
i tried there flagship model the nokia n97 when it came out last year in june same time as the iphone 3g S release date, man that device is buggy and slow and not worth the 500 freakin pounds i payed for it.
So yea GOO Apple
OWN them all !
i tried there flagship model the nokia n97 when it came out last year in june same time as the iphone 3g S release date, man that device is buggy and slow and not worth the 500 freakin pounds i payed for it.
So yea GOO Apple
OWN them all !Filed in Wisconsin?
Home cooking, less culture and climatic shock for visiting Nokia reps My guess, lower profile, dress rehearsal.
Home cooking, less culture and climatic shock for visiting Nokia reps
My guess, lower profile, dress rehearsal.
Apple's contention (whether true or not) was that they were perfectly happy to pay the licensing terms, but Nokia wanted a patent cross-licensing agreement instead. Apple said no, since Nokia's patents were transferred to the GSM consortium they have to grant the license as a fee only to anyone and can not single out Apple and force them to do a cross-license deal instead. If Apple wanted to do a cross-license deal instead, that would be fine, but Apple doesn't want that. Apple has been arguing that since Nokia is not letting them license the patents in the way required for patents in the GSM pool, they will wait until a court tells Nokia that they cannot try to force different terms on Apple.
Nokia today announced that it has filed a new lawsuit against Apple alleging patent infringement by the company's iPhone and 3G-capable iPad products.Nokia first filed suit against Apple in October 2009 alleging infringement of its patents by the iPhone, and later increased the scope of its claims to include "virtually all" Apple products. Apple has fought back with lawsuits and International Trade Commission complaints of its own as the two companies continue to fight for position in the competitive mobile phone industry.
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This is just another greedy manufacturer with crappy products and wants to make money some how.
Nokia "Oh look our stocks tumbled to the floor because our hardware is junk, Oh look over there Apple is rocking the world with kick butt phones! Don't we have phones?? Wait we made phones before Apple did lets sue them for making phones!!! Thats our idea and we need money for this!!!"
GREEDY FRIKKAN JERKS!!!!
Only one reason Nokia want lawsuit - JEALOUSLY and GREED.
If you look at NOKIA Stock between five years and now. You notice that stock climb till January 2008 when Apple announcement new iPHone 3G WITH Apps. Stock went rapid down and never go back higher for two years.
Nokia seek the money. Stop theft, you are son of b****.
If you look at NOKIA Stock between five years and now. You notice that stock climb till January 2008 when Apple announcement new iPHone 3G WITH Apps. Stock went rapid down and never go back higher for two years.
Nokia seek the money. Stop theft, you are son of b****.
Sure they are, Nokia's only got a $40 Billion Market Capitalization - that's pocket change to Apple.
BUT why would anyone buy NOKIA at this point? Yeah, they've got 40% of the 'smartphone' market but they ain't innovating in the smartphone market. Maybe they'll start building netbooks.
Home cooking, less culture and climatic shock for visiting Nokia reps
You know, you just hit on a very valid point. Nokia may be banking on an emotional connection with, shall we say, blood relations in the Wisconsin area.
"Hey! People of Wisconsin! Your homebodies are being cheated by a big California company! Remember California? They're stealing your cheese market! Now they're trying to steal our phone market as well!"
Someone help me out here...
If everyone remained restricted by every patent out there and only produced products that didn't have tech similar to other patents, then wouldn't everyone be in violation of holding a monopoly on their respective markets?
If everyone remained restricted by every patent out there and only produced products that didn't have tech similar to other patents, then wouldn't everyone be in violation of holding a monopoly on their respective markets?
No.
First, a monopoly is not illegal. It's what you do with a monopoly that renders it illegal.
Second, by definition a patent gives you a 20 year monopoly on your invention. That's the sole purpose of a patent. And as long as you obtain your patent in good faith (without deceiving the patent office) and as long as you don't do certain other things, it is perfectly acceptable to refuse to license your patents (and to sue to enjoin anyone from practicing your patent) and to rest on your government-granted monopoly for the entire life of your patents.
I think the first mobile phone to include GPS was Benefon Esc.
And I think HP just bought Palm for 1.5x it's market cap.
Even Apple admits in their document that Nokia offered license terms that did not involve any cross licensing. In fact, Nokia offered such terms twice. They also offered cross licensing deals as such deals are very common way of handling licensing. That does not make Nokia demanding cross licensing.
I don't think Nokia is going to fall into the trap that SCO dug for themselves. If Nokia is suing apple, they must have evidence of the violation.
From what I've read Nokia holds a high number of patents on the components and operations of cell phones and most cell phone makers pay nokia for the license. Apple and Nokia were in constant negotiations over license fees for a period of time but that seemed to break down. The so called cell phone experts cannot believe apple was able to build a cell phone w/o infringing on any of the nokia patents given the breadth and depth of those patents. I'm no expert in the matter, this is stuff I read when Nokia first sued apple